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Postby Jeff » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:27 am

nathan28 wrote:
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DrVolin wrote:Those guys know what they're doing. They didn't crack down right away. They contained the revolt for a few days, long enough to let opposition leaders reveal themselves or emerge. Even the Okhrana didn't figure that one out. But then look what happened to them.


they've got to not let the movement be constrained as being "only the people in the square" There MUST be extensive reporting about marches elsewhere in the city and country, urgently.



I hate to get all Leninist-Trotskyist, considering how bad the Bolsheviks did the job post-1920 or so, but what's going on in Tahrir shows the importance of having stronger support among the enlisted men and officers--the democratic activists clearly have substantial support, but what with the barb wirings and the continual rumors of the military enforcing checkpoints etc. the activists could stand to have more.


As I said on Tuesday, I hate to be an armchair revolutionary. But again I'm sensing, when committed people have these numbers on the street, the moment of what's next must be seized. Otherwise the square reverts to a kettling op.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby nathan28 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:46 am

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DrVolin wrote:Those guys know what they're doing. They didn't crack down right away. They contained the revolt for a few days, long enough to let opposition leaders reveal themselves or emerge. Even the Okhrana didn't figure that one out. But then look what happened to them.


they've got to not let the movement be constrained as being "only the people in the square" There MUST be extensive reporting about marches elsewhere in the city and country, urgently.



I hate to get all Leninist-Trotskyist, considering how bad the Bolsheviks did the job post-1920 or so, but what's going on in Tahrir shows the importance of having stronger support among the enlisted men and officers--the democratic activists clearly have substantial support, but what with the barb wirings and the continual rumors of the military enforcing checkpoints etc. the activists could stand to have more.


As I said on Tuesday, I hate to be an armchair revolutionary. But again I'm sensing, when committed people have these numbers on the street, the moment of what's next must be seized. Otherwise the square reverts to a kettling op.


There isn't a "what's next" yet. Mubarek is too busy begging for favors from the pro-torture authoritarian hardliners in the Israeli gov't to step down, so not even Suleiman can get his KGB/Mossad-esque show started. The US and Europe have warmed up to Mubarek going, and presumably could continue to warm up to a "disorderly" transition like an actual devolution.

(IOW: "I don't think any of us wants to have to get a real job.")

To play armchair general, too, the earlier efforts at attacking the crowd failed. Those terrible worms on horses and camels got to see exactly how those of us in the mass of humanity feel about the chivalric classes, what with having saddled up to defend Order & Law--or just a earn a get-out-of-jail free card--and instead ended up on the receiving end of thousands of years of peasant resentment. Loyalist fascists have even been captured and detained, I mean, "anarchist democratic fundamentalist terrorists kidnap pro-government supporters attempting to restore order". Isolated gunfire hasn't broken up the crowds. Rock peltings have only lead to counter-harassment with rocks. Target attacks aren't having much impact, either.

IOW, the regime tried fascist-style street-thug combat, failed and is failing, and has resorted to police tactics again, like kettling, and isn't even doing well with that.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:46 am

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:50 am

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There isn't a "what's next" yet. Mubarek is too busy begging for favors from the pro-torture authoritarian hardliners in the Israeli gov't to step down, so not even Suleiman can get his KGB/Mossad-esque show started. The US and Europe have warmed up to Mubarek going, and presumably could continue to warm up to a "disorderly" transition like an actual devolution.

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European and US corporations have warmed to Mubarak going because he's disrupting business, and they're pushing their managing directors, Obama, Cameron, etc., to do something about it.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:54 am

AJ: Adm. MIke Mullen (CJCS): we're keeping close contact, comm lines open, "our military is ready to respond should it's support be needed/called on".

edit: the quote above is a paraphrased gist, not an exact quote.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:15 am

AJ: statement of intent from protesters read out on Egyptian state TV.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:19 am

Friday, February 04, 2011
The singer of the Egyptian uprising
It is noteworthy that the singer whose songs are most featured from loudspeakers in Tahrir Square is `Abdul-Halim Hafidh. As is known, he was Nasser's chief singer and he sang a lot for the Egyptian revolution and for Nasser (in addition to love songs). Late in his life, he sang poems by Syrian poet, Nizar Qabbani but his song "A letter from under the water" is just silly. I like his earlier songs like "Maw`ud" (Expecting).

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:23 am

vanlose kid wrote:AJ: statement of intent from protesters read out on Egyptian state TV.

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AJ: now it's being reported that the "protester" claims "there is an organization behind the protests and that it is the MB". AJ speculate he might have been put up to it by the regime.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:27 am

yeah right.

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Egypt crisis: Mike Mullen 'reassured' protesters will not be fired on
Mike Mullen, the US military's top officer, has been "reassured" by Egyptian army leaders that their forces will not fire on protesters, amid days of unrest in Cairo.

Adm Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that he was working to keep lines of communication open with the Egyptian military and expressed hope for a peaceful resolution of the crisis gripping the country.

"I mean in the discussions I've had with their military leadership, they've reassured me that they have no intent to fire on their own people," Adm Mullen told the "Daily Show with Jon Stewart."

Adm Mullen, who spoke by phone to his Egyptian counterpart on Wednesday, General Sami Enan, reiterated his praise for the armed forces, which US officials hope will play a role in steering the country toward democratic reform.

"Their reputation is exceptionally high with the people. The military would say that's who they're supporting, the people of Egypt," he said.

Pitched street battles on Wednesday between supporters of President Hosni Mubarak and regime opponents left at least five people dead and 836 injured, as President Barack Obama's administration pressed for Mubarak to step down.

Adm Mullen also said he had been in discussions with other military leaders in the region and said "they are concerned about where this goes and how contagious it is."

The four-star admiral said the military stood ready for any "response or support" in the crisis.

But his spokesman later clarified that Mullen was referring to military assistance for a possible large-scale evacuation of American nationals, if requested by the State Department.

"He was referring only to any response or support we might be called upon to support our State Department in terms of assistance with evacuations, etc.," spokesman Captain John Kirby said in an email.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:49 am

Pepe Escobar wrote:Real "change we can believe in" (the Egyptian version) means not only getting rid of the dictator of 30 years but of his torturer-in-chief, who happens to be so far a key interlocutor of Washington, Tel Aviv and European capitals, and a key exponent of a regime rotten to the core, dependent on pitiless exploitation of its own citizens, and receiver of US aid to pursue agendas virtually no one would vote for in the Arab world.

"Orderly transition" may also be regarded as a ghastly euphemism for sitting on the fence - way distinct from an explicit call for democracy. The White House has morphed into a succession of white pretzels trying to salvage the concept. But the fact is that as much as Pharaoh Mubarak is a slave to US foreign policy, US President Barack Obama is boxed in by geopolitical imperatives and enormous corporate interests he cannot even dream of upsetting.

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So as one of the pillars of the "cold peace" with Israel, Egypt is a paradigm. It's a bipartisan phenomenon, in US terms; Republicans and Democrats see it the same way. There's the Suez Canal, through which flows 1.8 million barrels of crude a day. But "partner with Israel" in the 1979 Camp David accords is what explains all the billions of dollars showered on the Egyptian military and the three decades of unconditional support to the corrupt Mubarak military dictatorship (and make no mistake, the US implication in that vast shop of horrors is all documented in the vaults of the regime). On a parallel track, "stability" also translates as a lousy quality of life for virtually the totality of Egyptians; democratic rights of local populations are always secondary to geostrategic considerations.

The dominant geostrategic status quo in the Middle East, that is that is the Washington/Tel Aviv axis, has hypnotized Western public opinion to accept the myth that Arab democracy = Islamic fundamentalism, disregarding how all attempts of popular rebellion in the Arab world over the past decades have been squashed. The Israeli government goes beyond this equation; for Tel Aviv it's Islamic fundamentalism = terrorism, ergo, Arab democracy = terrorism. Under this framework, Mubarakism is an essential ally more than ever.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:27 pm

Al-Jazeera office attacked in Egypt protests
Cairo office of Arabic language news channel ransacked as intimidation of journalists continues

Mark Sweney
guardian.co.uk, Friday 4 February 2011 15.24 GMT

The Cairo office of al-Jazeera was ransacked by pro-government "thugs" today, as the Arabic language news channel also said its news website had come under attack by hackers.

Al-Jazeera said its office had been stormed by a "gang of thugs" who burned equipment, on a day of reports of escalating violence against journalists covering the Egyptian uprising.

The Qatar-based broadcaster added that the attacks appeared to be an attempt by "the Egyptian regime or its supporters" to hinder its widely watched coverage of the uprising in Egypt.

It said its website had been hacked earlier today with a banner advertisement replaced with a slogan "Together for the collapse of Egypt", which linked through to a web page with content critical of the network. The banner remained in place for two hours.

"Our website has been under relentless attack since the onset of the uprisings in Egypt [and] we are currently investigating what happened today," said a spokesman for al-Jazeera. "While the deliberate attacks this morning were an attempt to discredit us we will continue our impartial and comprehensive coverage of these unprecedented events."

Last week al-Jazeera's Cairo office was closed by the Egyptian authorities. The broadcaster's reporters have also had their press credentials revoked and nine were detained for periods of time.

In other recent incidents, Swedish TV reporter Bert Sundstrom was in a serious condition in Cairo hospital after being stabbed in the back, according to Associated Press. Dan Nolan, al-Jazeera's UAE correspondent, tweeted today that unfortunately the decision had been taken that it was now too dangerous to remain in Cairo.

"Sadly I'm catching [a] plane out of Cairo today," he said. "Threats to us been about too much. Need to spend some time with family and hope to return soon."

CNN's star reporter Anderson Cooper, who on Wednesday was "roughed up" by thugs on a Cairo street, tweeted today that CNN was now broadcasting from an "undisclosed location" in the city to "stay live as long as we can".

Guardian journalists Peter Beaumont and Jack Shenker were prevented from entering Cairo's Tahrir Square earlier today by both the Egyptian army and armed vigilantes.

Beaumont said the pair were picked up by the army at a checkpoint and made to kneel facing a wall and interrogated. They then had to deal with machete-wielding vigilantes, he added.

However, according to Reuters the Egyptian army has been instructed to assist foreign media and help protect them from groups who have attacked and beaten journalists. Britain and the US have criticised what the US called a "concerted campaign" to intimidate foreign reporters.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 23 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:46 pm

Has anyone else noticed that the term "pro-democracy" has recently replaced "anti-government" on the banners that AJ regularly places on their live feeds?

May not mean anything. Or it may mean that I pay too much attention to details. LOL
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Postby Elvis » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:13 pm

23 wrote:Has anyone else noticed that the term "pro-democracy" has recently replaced "anti-government" on the banners that AJ regularly places on their live feeds?

May not mean anything. Or it may mean that I pay too much attention to details. LOL

It'd be cool if they (and other news media) started substituting "anti-democracy" for "pro-Mubarak."
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:55 pm

The Egypt protests have exposed the hypocrisy of mealy-mouthed Western commentators
By Brendan O'Neill World Last updated: February 4th, 2011


The last time I was on the Moral Maze I was hauled over the coals for saying that political violence – as part of a radical protest, say – is sometimes justifiable. Yet on this week’s Moral Maze, some of the guests had a calm, polite discussion about the possibility of enacting a far more massive form of political violence against the freedom-hungry people of Egypt. One of the guests, Professor David Cesarani, floated the idea of there being a Tiananmen Square-style massacre in Egypt as a way of quelling potential post-Mubarak anarchy. And there has been no outrage. No Twitterstorm, no blog-based apoplexy, no heated radio phone-ins. Perhaps talking about the massacre of Egyptians is normal these days.

Professor Cesarani was asked by Michael Portillo about the “moral dilemma” of how to deal with what comes after Mubarak. What if it’s worse than Mubarak? Should it be crushed? Professor Cesarani said that if one takes the “wholly pragmatic view”, then “the outcome of a Tiananmen Square-style crackdown is desirable and is predictable”. Because, he said, “if you allow this popular democratic movement to run on unchecked, you cannot predict what’s going to happen. But you can predict probably that after a short, sharp, massive clampdown at huge human cost, there will be a sullen stability.”

Portillo was startled. “Quite a lot of people would be quite shocked to hear what you said – that a Tiananmen-style outcome would be desirable.” Cesarani responded that “the West is no longer weeping that much over Tiananmen Square because we’re doing a lot of business with China. So, many business interests would say, quietly, that, perhaps, well the way in which the Chinese managed their transition was preferable.” Another panellist, Matthew Taylor, former adviser to Tony Blair and now chief executive of the Royal Society of Arts, later described Cesarani’s comments on Tiananmen Square as “incredibly brave” and said: “In a way, I can see his argument.”

There you have it. Faced with a mass uprising for democracy in the Middle East, the instinctive reaction of some sections of polite society in Britain is to panic, to fret about anarchy, about “another Iran”, and to hint that maybe a violent crackdown will be required. Variations on this theme have appeared across the sphere of political commentary, including amongst those who supported the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan on the (entirely mad) basis that these invasions would “deliver democracy” to the Middle East and Central Asia. Now that real people in the Middle East are agitating for democracy, and might actually win it, suddenly “democracy” has become a dirty word. It’s too “unchecked”, too unpredictable, too chaotic, and not such a good idea for those strange brown people after all. Maybe a strongman will have to intervene and impose order.

This is one of the brilliant things about the inspiring uprising in Egypt: it has not only exposed the illegitimacy of the Mubarak regime, but also the BS behind recent Western campaigns to “deliver democracy” to the Middle East. Because the very same politicians and commentators who talked about “democratising” Iraq now stare in horror, mouths agape, at the Egyptian masses demanding their democratic rights. That’s because these fear-wracked observers don’t understand what real democracy is. And when they see it, in all its noisiness and rowdiness and unpredictability, it terrifies them.


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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:16 pm

Mubarak family fortune could reach $70bn, say experts
Egyptian president has cash in British and Swiss banks plus UK and US property

Phillip Inman
guardian.co.uk, Friday 4 February 2011 17.58 GMT

President Hosni Mubarak's family fortune could be as much as $70bn (£43.5bn) according to analysis by Middle East experts, with much of his wealth in British and Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in London, New York, Los Angeles and along expensive tracts of the Red Sea coast.

After 30 years as president and many more as a senior military official, Mubarak has had access to investment deals that have generated hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. Most of those gains have been taken offshore and deposited in secret bank accounts or invested in upmarket homes and hotels.

According to a report last year in the Arabic newspaper Al Khabar, Mubarak has properties in Manhattan and exclusive Beverly Hills addresses on Rodeo Drive.

His sons, Gamal and Alaa, are also billionaires. A protest outside Gamal's ostentatious home at 28 Wilton Place in Belgravia, central London, highlighted the family's appetite for western trophy assets.

Amaney Jamal, a political science professor at Princeton University, said the estimate of $40bn-70bn was comparable with the vast wealth of leaders in other Gulf countries.

"The business ventures from his military and government service accumulated to his personal wealth," she told ABC news. "There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain.

"This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators so their wealth will not be taken during a transition. These leaders plan on this."


Al Khabar said it understood the Mubaraks kept much of their wealth offshore in the Swiss bank UBS and the Bank of Scotland, part of Lloyds Banking Group, although this information could be at least 10 years old.

There are only sketchy details of exactly where the Mubaraks have generated their wealth and its final destination.

Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East politics at Durham University, said Mubarak, his wife, Suzanne, and two sons were able to accumulate wealth through a number of business partnerships with foreign investors and companies, dating back to when he was in the military and in a position to benefit from corporate corruption.

He said most Gulf states required foreigners give a local business partner a 51% stake in start-up ventures. In Egypt, the figure is commonly nearer 20%, but still gives politicians and close allies in the military a source of huge profits with no initial outlay and little risk.

"Almost every project needs a sponsor and Mubarak was well-placed to take advantage of any deals on offer," he said.

"Much of his money is in Swiss bank accounts and London property. These are the favourites of Middle Eastern leaders and there is no reason to think Mubarak is any different. Gamal's Wilton Place home is likely to be the tip of the iceberg."

Al Khabar named a series of major western companies that, partnered with the Mubarak family, generated an estimated $15m a year in profits.

Aladdin Elaasar, author of The Last Pharaoh: Mubarak and the Uncertain Future of Egypt in the Obama Age, said the Mubaraks own several residences in Egypt, some inherited from previous presidents and the monarchy, and others the president has commissioned.

Hotels and land around the Sharm el-Sheikh tourist resort are also a source of Mubarak family wealth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe ... ly-fortune

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on edit: Elassar's book was published July 2009. here are the blurbs. interesting, to say the least.

"Combining an uncanny sense of clarity and understatement, Aladdin Elaasar weaves Egypt's historical grandeur with an unnerving cascade of political intrigue that reveals a side of Mubarak the world cannot long ignore. In one fell swoop, the reader's admiration for Egypt is both strengthened, and the source of unease revealed, as the author sheds light on the darkness of Egyptian politics that could one day turn catastrophic. With so much at stake, the West is slowly coming to grips with a new reality; a reality which no single book or author could possibly address." --Professor Tate Miller, expert on International Negotiations at the Monterey Institute of International Studies

"Peeling back layer after complex layer of Egypt's politics, culture, and intrigues, Elaasar de-mystifies Egypt without tarnishing her almost mystical status as the pinnacle of Arabian culture, and the bedrock of human civilization. This book is stunning in its revelations of Mubarak's stranglehold on every aspect of life in this glorious, long suffering nation. Connecting one mysterious dot to the next, Elaasar teases the reader from chapter to chapter, as he lucidly explains the details of Egypt's worst kept secrets of all...the 'secret' of Mubarak's power and how he plans to rule from his own royal crypt." --Professor Tate Miller, expert on International Negotiations at the Monterey Institute of International Studies

"Egypt is the next domino to fall and, as they say, so goes Egypt so goes the Middle East...explaining why a pillar of American dominance in that part of the world is about to crumble." --Robert Baer, former Middle East-based CIA operative and author of See No Evil, and Sleeping with the Devil

"Let me give you the four scariest words I can't pronounce in Arabic: Egypt after Hosni Mubarak. Mubarak's "emergency rule" dictatorship is deep into its third decade, making him one of Egypt's most durable pharaohs. His succession plan is clear: Son Gamal tries to replicate Beijing's model of economic reform, forestalling political reform... American policymakers could soon face the same tough choice on Egypt that they once suffered with Iran's faltering Shah: Step in with maximum effort during a succession crisis or let the chips fall where they may. Washington's soft peddling of democracy hasn't moved the highly corrupt government toward any serious political reform, as the Mubarak's prefer Beijing's blueprint over anything we might offer. And, as the regime resorts to stoking anti-Western and anti-Semitic popular sentiment, it gets harder to imagine a path forward for U.S.-Egyptian relations as this global recession advances. All I can say, Mr. President, is that when you decide which major Islamic capital will be the venue for your much-anticipated address to the Muslim world, do yourself a favor and pass on restive Cairo, because you just might trigger more response than your administration can afford right now." --Professor Thomas P. M. Barnett, Naval War College

"When it happens, it will rock the world..: octogenarian Mubarak, will leave office, either by his own decision or that of Providence, probably within the next three years. So far, few in the West have paid much attention. But Egyptians certainly are getting ready, and we should do so as well." --Georgetown University Professor Michelle Dunne, expert on Arab politics and U.S. policy at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace


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