Theophobia

[Canadian_watcher]

I would like to gently but meaningfully say that there are some cognitive blindspots with the people of Scientism, big enough to drive a locomotive through.

and absolutely, C_W - the irony and TBH hilarity for me is that the sort of stuff that is going on here is doing here, I was doing a lot in the mysogny thread in a different context It's the "foot stamp - but I AM a sensitive guy who loves the Feminine, so you have no right to be angry at men - or ME"

Well, I got over that one and I really wish to fuck that wintler and AD would get over their 'self-righteous unexamined more-logical-than-thou' BS which never actually gets the discussion.

Please do not characterise me as science hating - I adore maths and logic - I just object to your making a religion out of it (The Holy Church of Critcal Tinking) and pretending you are not.

Whenever you have been challenged on that, the response is... chirping crickets.
I would love to stick some people on this thread into an fMRI machine and watch the same religious brain centres light up when you watch TAM (Randi debunks 9/11!!!) highlights as a born again watching Benny Hinn Raises the Dead.

A_D, you think you have achieved some sort of Critical Thinking Game Treble Word Score by invoking reductio ad absurdum? This is precisely what you practice as thinking is so limited - you and the fellow 'critical thinkers' dont apply the same attention to your OWN thinking foundations as you do to others.
You have blinkers on - you parrot things in terms of LOGIC..
Well, WHICH logic? You know, there is actually MORE THAN ONE???
And in some of them, reductio ad absurdum ISNT ACTUALLY FRIKKIN VALID.

The mathematical school of so-called intuitionism has taken a definite line regarding the limitation of reductio argumentation for the purposes of existence proofs. The only valid way to establish existence, so they maintain, is by providing a concrete instance or example: general-principle argumentation is not acceptable here. This means, in specific, that one cannot establish (∃x)Fx by deducing an absurdity from (∀x)~Fx. Accordingly, intuitionists would not let us infer the existence of invertebrate ancestors of homo sapiens from the patent absurdity of the supposition that humans are vertebrates all the way back. They would maintain that in such cases where we are totally in the dark as to the individuals involved we are not in a position to maintain their existence.

Am I pissed off - yes - because as Mac so eloquently posted, your whole epistemology is a croc of shit - and a deeply oppressive patriarchal, Western European based Socratic one at that. It is a style of thinking that is inherently producing of Orthodoxy - in fact I would say there is a lot of evidence that Orthodoxy emergent readily from within it, and creates an environment that is extremely destructive of curiousity.

You really think that science acts on the basis of LOGIC??
Do you think we are going to solve the worlds issues by teaching the world to think SYLLOGISTICALLY??

<WAITS FOR TYPICAL BARRAGE OF DEEPLY CRAP CARTOONS>

TBH , Like MAC, I'm amazed that CW has stuck around in this thread, but good for her for doing so.

[barracuda]

My aversion to unnecessary restrictions on board conduct remains undiminished.

Mine too. As does my aversion to Bully Boys who don't have the grace or intellectual honesty to apologise when they're caught offering dumbfuck pseudoresponses that merely waste people's time, especially when they're Big Boss Moderators to boot.

What complete twaddle.

In your own mind perhaps.

It's the only one I take responsibility for.

Exhibit A

Agree. People of the christian faith have proven themselves to be dangerous and untrustworthy. Realistically, they can't even be trusted to follow the precepts of their own religion, and their political naiveté has allowed them to be manipulated to embrace the most hateful aspects of modern American life, including war and prejudice. Christians have a long way to go to show that they can be trusted ever again to think for themselves.

There are many reason to fear and avoid ignorance.

Once again, you have no interest in my views on faith, but instead have chosen to quote my opinion on the politics of the Christian right as if this is some sort of indictment, whereas it actually is simply a political position against a political harm demonstrably done by a specific demographic. More hypocrisy.

This thread has been a troll from the OP onward, and has me seriously reassessing your motivations in the misogyny thread.

[Canadian_watcher]

wow.

You know, Norton, you have complained to me, personally, about how awful the Civil Service is. I agreed with you. It is. It houses the most reprehensible examples of humanity along with scattered good folks just trying to get through the day - or beating their heads against the walls of bureaucracy striving to make a difference.

I quit my post because it was eating me alive. You work in it still, and you hate it. You hate the people, you hate the atmosphere, you rage about the pukes you work with that they are bullying, shallow and disgusting.

Maybe when you first joined up you weren't who you are now, but let me tell you something clearly today... you belong in the civil service. You are just another sycophant in a long line of cubicles full of them. Enjoy your pension on my dime if you don't kill yourself before you retire.

[Canadian_watcher]

My aversion to unnecessary restrictions on board conduct remains undiminished.

Mine too. As does my aversion to Bully Boys who don't have the grace or intellectual honesty to apologise when they're caught offering dumbfuck pseudoresponses that merely waste people's time, especially when they're Big Boss Moderators to boot.

What complete twaddle.

In your own mind perhaps.

It's the only one I take responsibility for.

Exhibit A

Agree. People of the christian faith have proven themselves to be dangerous and untrustworthy. Realistically, they can't even be trusted to follow the precepts of their own religion, and their political naiveté has allowed them to be manipulated to embrace the most hateful aspects of modern American life, including war and prejudice. Christians have a long way to go to show that they can be trusted ever again to think for themselves.

There are many reason to fear and avoid ignorance.

Once again, you have no interest in my views on faith, but instead have chosen to quote my opinion on the politics of the Christian right as if this is some sort of indictment, whereas it actually is simply a political position against a political harm demonstrably done by a specific demographic. More hypocrisy.

This thread has been a troll from the OP onward, and has me seriously reassessing your motivations in the misogyny thread.

Yeah well I seriously questioned your motivations long before this, you champion of nothing.
Why do you think so many women have left here? Do you think it's because of the great atmosphere for them?

You are an air head.

[barracuda]

More trolling. Well done.

[norton ash]

No, no, C-W, the point of the Kids' sketch is 'discretion is the better part of valor.' And it was your calling us chickens that made me think of it.

But you don't get it. You really don't get much.

If you want to be a martyr to your own bullshit and self-delusions, by all means proceed.

And stop getting fucking personal with me, mmmkay?

[Canadian_watcher]

More trolling. Well done.

but it's okay for you to categorize the entirety of the misogyny thread as a troll...?
THAT isn't trolling?

You are digging such a hole for yourself, barracuda.

[Canadian_watcher]

No, no, C-W, the point of the Kids' sketch is 'discretion is the better part of valor.' And it was your calling us chickens that made me think of it.

But you don't get it. You really don't get much.

If you want to be a martyr to your own bullshit and self-delusions, by all means proceed.

And stop getting fucking personal with me, mmmkay?

go fuck yourself.

[barracuda]

If this has become the extent of your arguments here, Canadian, I'm gonna lock this thread.

[Laodicean]

Sure, Cuda. Lock the thread. Your "responsible" mind is aching so to do it. What are you waiting for? Surely not a sign from god. Heh!

[barracuda]

More trolling is not helping the cause, bro. C_W knows better than to tell forum members to fuck themselves, but I guess she thinks the rules don't apply to her. They do.

[Canadian_watcher]

we wouldn't want anyone to do something they 'know better" not to do!

like try and sail straight off the edge of the world or something.. !
or challenge the Catholic Church to insist that the sun *is* the center of the system!

we all 'understand' that it's better to just do things we already know authority likes.

I smell progress!

[Laodicean]

Whatever man. Your compassion really comes out like a blinding lighthouse for all to see (not). You really are easy to see through, you know.

But go ahead and lock the thread based on the oh so perfect "trolling" angle. It's the responsible thing to do, bro.

[Searcher08]

Cuda, I ask you nicely to leave the thread open.

I strongly disagree with characterising C_W (or you actually) as trolling.

Thee are a lot of unanswered questions in this thread.

[barracuda]

Searcher, I need to see something here besides acrimony and name-calling or I'm locking it. Very soon.