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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:18 pm

If police and media reports are to be believed, Micah Xavier Johnson is a killer.


Not to make light of the inconsistencies you've raised, I agree, there are many. This first line has got to make you laugh though. He joined the fucking army. What kind of argument is that?
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:24 pm

C'mon, Harvey. He was a mason and carpenter in the Army. He was by all accounts a lousy shot in target practice. And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:31 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:24 am wrote:C'mon, Harvey. He was a mason and carpenter in the Army. He was by all accounts a lousy shot in target practice. And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


You don't join the army expecting not to have to kill people but perhaps his postings are further proof of your argument. The fact remains he joined.

In any case, if an argument flatters you, look twice.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:32 pm

Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:31 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:24 am wrote:C'mon, Harvey. He was a mason and carpenter in the Army. He was by all accounts a lousy shot in target practice. And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


You don't join the army expecting not to have to kill people. Perhaps his postings are further proof of your argument. The fact remains he joined. If an argument flatters you, look twice.


What "postings" are you talking about?
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:35 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:32 am wrote:
Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:31 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:24 am wrote:C'mon, Harvey. He was a mason and carpenter in the Army. He was by all accounts a lousy shot in target practice. And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


You don't join the army expecting not to have to kill people. Perhaps his postings are further proof of your argument. The fact remains he joined. If an argument flatters you, look twice.


What "postings" are you talking about?


Carpenter. Mason.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:40 pm

The fact remains he joined.


LIke untold thousands of others. You're making a mountain out of a pimple here, Harvey, and you're just confusing the issue

the journalist wrote:If police and media reports are to be believed, Micah Xavier Johnson is a killer.


It's clear that she isn't accusing the police and media of accusing him of having been a soldier. So let's not waste any more time on this.

The article is (almost uniquely) good and therefore it deserves to be read widely. Basta.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Harvey » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:44 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:40 am wrote:
The fact remains he joined.


LIke untold thousands of others. You're making a mountain out of a pimple here, Harvey, and you're just confusing the issue

the journalist wrote:If police and media reports are to be believed, Micah Xavier Johnson is a killer.


It's clear that she isn't accusing the police and media of accusing him of having been a soldier. So let's not waste any more time on this.

The article is (almost uniquely) good and therefore it deserves to be read widely. Basta.


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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:15 pm

And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


It might be known that he experienced no actual combat, but you cannot claim to know he's not ever fired a gun at anyone.

For all we know he could have long been an assassin with many kills under his belt, one of many who's never been caught.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:18 am

Iamwhomiam » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:15 pm wrote:
And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


It might be known that he experienced no actual combat, but you cannot claim to know he's not ever fired a gun at anyone.

For all we know he could have long been an assassin with many kills under his belt, one of many who's never been caught.


For all we know, you could be an assassin with many kills under your belt, one of many who's never been caught. For all we know, you have five women's heads in your freezer.

HTH.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:52 am

A bit off-topic, Mac. I am not the subject of this thread.

I could have called you a "liar" or "dishonest" for stating as fact something you can not possibly know the truth of, but didn't want to emulate your style.

Besides, Mr.WRex has asked me to dial it down a bit.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:07 pm

IamwhomIam wrote:A bit off-topic, Mac. I am not the subject of this thread.

I could have called you a "liar" or "dishonest" for stating as fact something you can not possibly know the truth of, but didn't want to emulate your style.

Besides, Mr.WRex has asked me to dial it down a bit.


No you could not have called me a liar or dishonest, because I demonstrably did not lie. Jfc... 1. It is not "off-topic" -- or if it is, is a succinct, rational and polite response to the off-topic speculative slander you wrote about Micah Johnson and chose to splurge over this thread. 2. I did not state "as fact" that you are an assassin or that you have heads in your freezer. And I did not write what I wrote in some obscure incomprehensible foreign language. It is perfectly clear English, it is perfectly true, and it is a perfectly justified response to your post. 3. Luckily, most people here can read.

IamwhomIam wrote:Besides, Mr.WRex has asked me to dial it down a bit.


Good. And no wonder. I am fed up having to respond to this kind of nonsense.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:45 pm

No you could not have called me a liar or dishonest, because I demonstrably did not lie. Jfc... 1. It is not "off-topic" -- or if it is, is a succinct, rational and polite response to the off-topic speculative slander you wrote about Micah Johnson and chose to splurge over this thread. 2. I did not state "as fact" that you are an assassin or that you have heads in your freezer. And I did not write what I wrote in some obscure incomprehensible foreign language. It is perfectly clear English, it is perfectly true, and it is a perfectly justified response to your post. 3. Luckily, most people here can read.
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Iamwhomiam » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:15 pm wrote:
And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


It might be known that he experienced no actual combat, but you cannot claim to know he's not ever fired a gun at anyone.

For all we know he could have long been an assassin with many kills under his belt, one of many who's never been caught.


For all we know, you could be an assassin with many kills under your belt, one of many who's never been caught. For all we know, you have five women's heads in your freezer.

HTH.


You've misunderstood, Mac. Purposely or not, I don't know. I never suggested you stated as fact that I was a mass murderer with the heads of 5 women in my freezer. That's where you wander off-topic. This isn't a thread about me or if I could be an assassin or how many women's heads I may or may not have in my freezer and your reply is completely unrelated to the topic we're discussing, i.e.: your misrepresenting the truth. Smoke & mirrors, so typical a distraction from admitting to your rather obvious gross error.

Yeah, Mac, you lied. Demonstrably, at that. And now you're lying about not having lied. Really, how dishonest can one be? Like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, you deny what you yourself wrote. A demonstrable liar, at that. (always the best kind to deflate, you know)

Here you state quite clearly as fact that you know Micah Johnson has never fired a gun at anyone:

And in any case he never once experienced combat or fired a gun at anyone.


Fortunately, more than a few of us know how to read. More fortunately, perhaps is the ability of some to cut through bullshit to get to the truth without shitting all over each other in the process.

Please present whatever evidence you have proving Micah Johnson never shot a gun at anyone and I will then believe you didn't make it up. Until you do, or conversely, choose to admit your error, you remain a dishonest liar. And remember, jfc only forgives those who are truly repentant.

I didn't slander Johnson, ffs. You criticize others for being unable to read? ffs! The point was that you have stated something to be factual that you cannot possibly know the truth of, thereby making yourself the liar you are.

How hard is it really, Mac, for you to admit a rather trivial error you've made? Just admit you really do not know if Johnson ever fired a gun at anyone.

To recap, You're mistaken in claiming something unknown to you is factual. I have slandered no one. I know how to read, and I agree you did not write what you wrote in some obscure incomprehensible foreign language. It is perfectly clear English: "he never once" "fired a gun at anyone."

Proof or retraction, please.

P.S.: For the record: 1. I am not an assassin; 2. I have no heads of any kind in my freezer or refrigerator, not even a single head of lettuce.

P.P.S.: So much kinder to say one is mistaken rather than calling them a liar, don't you think?
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:52 pm

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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:10 pm

Should I now search for one of your earlier nasty remarks on our fellow member's comments content and place it here? Nah. I've dialed it back and remain polite.

Another meaningful reply from you, dishonest one, when a simple admission of a trivial error you made would have been of less effort than searching for that giffy.

You have revealed your true inner child Mac, to all who have put up with your screed for far too long.

Looks like you took the ball home to play by yourself.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Burnt Hill » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:18 pm



Mac as a child, or is this current? :P
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