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Postby drstrangelove » Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:31 am

Antigenic evolution will lead to new SARS-CoV-2 variants with unpredictable severity
The comparatively milder infections with the Omicron variant and higher levels of population immunity have raised hopes for a weakening of the pandemic. We argue that the lower severity of Omicron is a coincidence and that ongoing rapid antigenic evolution is likely to produce new variants that may escape immunity and be more severe.

- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00722-z

This is what that Belgium guy Bert has been saying for over a year and half now.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:50 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:36 pm wrote:.

This comment compliments some of my earlier sentiment upthread:

@gnocchiwizard
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...big left cities were all too happy to embrace an apartheid system that excluded me from activities like working or going to a damn restaurant, and from coast to coast i found right wing places where people sympathized and welcomed me, even if i was only passing through.

https://twitter.com/gnocchiwizard/statu ... WGtljP2cpQ

At this moment, I can visit/patronize practically any establishment in NYC, but my employer still forbids me from entering their NYC office building or interacting with my fellow co-workers, regardless of my prior infection status, because I didn't submit to an mRNA product.

Along similar lines, I've never felt "otherized" whenever I traveled outside of "Blue" cities over the last ~2 yrs.

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Letting Irving in the building but refusing to let him play makes about as much sense as the decision to continue masking toddlers. I hope @NYCMayor is proud to be representing the party of Science™️ at this very embarrassing moment.

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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 am

Dr. Been: New peer reviewed and published Stanford study shows that equal or GREATER spike protein gets in the blood from Pfizer vaccination than from acute COVID-19.

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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:41 pm

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DEATH LOTTERIES ARE IMMORAL

In USA, school children used to read The Lottery (1948) by Shirley Jackson. Villagers gather for a lottery once a year. In the first round, a family name is selected. In the second round, one member of that family is selected as the overall winner. The winner is then stoned to death by all others. The lesson is that we should not blindly follow tradition or popular paradigms without moral consideration of our conduct.

In Joe Versus the Volcano (1990), someone must be thrown into the volcano in order to appease the gods and save the island inhabitants from destruction. In The Hunger Games (2008), for the good of society, each district sends a pair of citizens, selected by lottery, to gladiatorial games in which only one survives. Even Commander Spock said, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”

In actual history, Canaanites and Carthaginians brutally placed young children or babies into fire to appease Ba’al or Kronos. The Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca also engaged in human sacrifice atrocities … for the good of society.

In these fiction and non-fiction depictions, participants in the lotteries assigned public interest a higher value than they do individual liberties, the ultimate liberty being one’s right to live and to exist. Simply put, participants knowingly and in-fact took the life of someone’s child for the mere purport of safety from a god’s wrath or simply as tradition. All participants, regardless of belief in the god or the objective, fail the results of a moral calculus. Death lotteries are intrinsically immoral.

THE MORAL CALCULUS

In considering the moral equation, one must realize that the taking of a life cannot be undone. Murder breaches natural law and Abrahamic, Buddhist, and Hindu divine law.

Self-Defense Argument - Killing is not murder if it is done in self-defense. Some argue that killing another in a lottery for the purport of saving many is self-defense. This is incorrect. It is not self-defense. Participants have no reasonable belief that the lottery winner is trying to kill anyone. Lottery participants choose to kill the lottery winner based, for example, on a belief that a god may kill them all if the winner is not sacrificed. Self-defense requires an imminent threat from the one killed, not a purport of threat from a traditional belief such as a god’s wrath. The self-defense argument fails.

Necessity Argument - Given there is only enough fresh water in a life raft for 100 person-days, there are 25 people in the raft, and you estimate that it will take 5 days to be rescued. What will you do? Will you draw straws in a lottery to see which 5 people are to die? If the 5 lottery winners refuse to take their own lives for religious reasons, will you murder them? You will have to murder 5 on the first day, else you will have to murder 6 on the second day for there to be enough water for the many to make it through the fifth day. On each day, will you recalculate the moral justification to determine how many you will have to murder for the many to survive? Killing a few or one in a lottery of necessity for the sake of many is still murder. Such conduct is based on ultimate selfishness of being. There is no virtue in such a calculus. The necessity argument fails.

Duress Argument - In a simpler scenario, someone holds a gun to your head and tells you to kill one of ten people standing in front of you else you will be killed. Duress may be a legal self-defense for some crimes, but it is neither a legal nor a moral defense for murder. You cannot be certain of the actor’s intent to kill you, but you are certain of your own intent to kill another in the mere hope of saving your own life. If you murder, you have traded your morality for a purport of safety. And your most selfish act of murder can never be taken back. The duress argument fails.

Unwilling Participant Argument - Consider that a participant does not believe that the taking of a life will appease a god or deliver a bountiful harvest. The participant chooses to remain silent and participates in the lottery nonetheless. Perhaps he is afraid of speaking out or simply does not contemplate the moral implication of participation. Such a participant is knowingly or purposely complicit in the moral atrocity of murder by lottery. He knows someone will die and has participated in the act. This is the immoral act of murder without excuse or justification.

Ancient ritual death lotteries are now called atrocities, not because we know they had no effect in sating a vengeful god, but rather because the moral calculus results in the conclusion that participation in a death lottery is the immoral act of murder.

C19 VACCINE IS A DEATH LOTTERY

You may not know a single person stung in the past five years by a venomous hymenoptera (bees, hornets, wasps, and fire ants). Stings are rare and the venom contains toxic proteins safe for most, but deadly only to a few. In USA, approximately 62 people die each year from stings. If stings were mandated, 18,000 people would die from stings. Clearly, a mandate of bee stings would be murder of 18,000 people and, thus, immoral.

The COVID-19 (C19) vaccine is a new technology never before used in humans en masse. It has not been rigorously tested over several years as all other vaccines have been. In fact, the C19 vaccine did not meet the definition of “vaccine” until the definition was changed in 2020 as a marketing ploy to garner acceptance from consumers already mentally tuned to the common word.

Regardless of the definition, what does the C19 vaccine do? The C19 vaccine delivers a substance that transfects cells to make them produce a spike protein (spike). The spike itself is a toxin similar to staphylococcus enterotoxin-B (SEB) and cobra venom. People will react to the toxin like people react to stings. Most will be fine, but some will have a reaction to a level of permanent debilitation or even death.

The exact percentage of people who will have serious adverse reactions or die from the C19 vaccine will not be known until all the data is tallied. The trials did not use a random sample of people of all the types that exist in society. Thus, the mass vaccination is acting in place of a robust set of trials that would otherwise have occurred.

In the moral calculus, percentages do not matter. Many have died from the C19 vaccine and many more will die from the C19 vaccine. That is all that needs to be known. Thus, the C19 vaccine mandates are, by definition, a death lottery.

C19 VACCINE MANDATES ARE, THEREFORE, IMMORAL

There is a moral excuse to participation in a death lottery such as the C19 vaccine mandates.

Mistake or Ignorance of Fact - If one is ignorant of the fact that a lottery results in the deaths of others, then it cannot be murder. In such a case, there is no knowledge constituting any type of guilty mind.

Many do not in-fact know that some people die from the C19 vaccine. Until they learn this fact, these people cannot be immoral in promoting the C19 vaccine.

This does not, however, include people with knowledge that some die from C19 vaccines in “rare” adverse outcomes. Belief that deaths resulting from the C19 vaccine are “rare” is not ignorance of fact. If you know it is “rare”, then you know that death does in-fact occur. The meaning of “rare” in context of percentages does not matter. The odds of the lottery may be high or low, but it is a death lottery nonetheless; and participation in the lottery is willful participation in murder.

Consider a town having a C19 vaccine clinic for school children. The school committee, school superintendent, teachers, administration, other staff, parents, local board of health, school nurses, local pediatricians, and the vaccine clinicians promote the vaccine for children. Some use coercion by telling the parents and children that the children must wear masks until 80% of the student body is vaccinated. Others may smile and tell children how important it is for them to get vaccinated, so they can keep their parents and grandparents safe. In this town, those who know deaths occur, whether rare or not, are morally guilty of participating in a death lottery, thus, murder.

Children trust adults to have performed the moral calculus. A 7-year-old girl who has an adverse reaction and dies from a C19 vaccine has been murdered. The pharma industry certainly knew that some children die from the vaccine. The politicians knew or should have known that some children die from the vaccine. The vaccine clinicians, school nurse, superintendent, and board of health certainly should have known that some children die from the vaccine. They all are complicit in the murder of a 7-year-old child.

If some claim ignorance of fact, then they are not morally innocent if they do not come forward and demand investigation of the role of the vaccine in the child’s death. At the point of the child’s death, they know that it causes death. And if more children die after the 7-year-old girl because no investigation was demanded, then those who knew of her death are morally responsible for the subsequent murders of other children, even those ten miles away or thousands of miles away.

Notice that efficacy is not important in this moral calculus. This is not an argument of whether the C19 vaccine prevents spread, prevents infection, or reduces symptoms and death from C19, which we now know from a year of data are all false assertions anyway. This is not even an argument over the hundreds of thousands of debilitations and deaths from the C19 vaccine. The risk benefit analysis is simply not part of the moral calculus. If people are dying all over the place and a vaccine promises more benefit than risk, choice is still a winning strategy. In fact, mandates foster distrust and result in lower rates of vaccination.

The syllogism is simple. Death lotteries are immoral. The C19 vaccination campaign is a death lottery. Therefore, mandatory C19 vaccination is immoral. There should be no coercion of any kind for people to vaccinate, else those coercing others are morally guilty of participation in murder, wherever and whenever that death occurs.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:39 pm

drstrangelove » 15 Mar 2022 20:31 wrote:
Antigenic evolution will lead to new SARS-CoV-2 variants with unpredictable severity
The comparatively milder infections with the Omicron variant and higher levels of population immunity have raised hopes for a weakening of the pandemic. We argue that the lower severity of Omicron is a coincidence and that ongoing rapid antigenic evolution is likely to produce new variants that may escape immunity and be more severe.

- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00722-z

This is what that Belgium guy Bert has been saying for over a year and half now.


Yeah, but its not a coincidence. Its evolution.

How many qualifiers do they want to have "likely to escape, may be more severe".

Its an evolutionary advantage to be an upper respiratory tract infection that struggles to bind to lung tissue. It seems affinity for ACE2 in lung tissue decreases as affinity for ACE2 in throat tissue increases. Our respiratory tract has been evolving for as long as our lungs have so this is probably a failsafe evolutionary trick.

IE its gonna be harder for the virus to be more severe because it isn't as easy for it to get into the bloodstream in large doses from the upper respiratory tract as it is from the lungs.

This is probably why all the other, long term human coronaviruses aren't as dangerous for the general population (except for older, sicker people.)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:38 am

If people started getting sicker from covid than they had been in 2020 or 2021, it would have little to do with the virus getting stronger, and more to do with their immune system getting weaker. Which was part of Bert's thesis, that the vaccine basically gives you AIDS through suppression of the immune system over time.

If they start making up a new variant of greater severity, and such a thing is backed by some kind of credible dataset, it will most likely be them covering up the fact people now effectively have AIDS.

Why wouldn't Pfizer give people AIDS if they could? Serious question. Why would they not do it? Would it be because they have ethics? Or that they would be punished for doing it? Or would there be some kind of regulatory agency responsible enough to stop them? Or that there was no opportunity for them to do it? :shrug:

The fallout would be, quite literally, everyone just accepting they now have aids and it isn't a big deal.
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Postby alloneword » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:20 am

I haven't updated this for a while...

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Are we starting to see a trend? :clown
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:00 pm

Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection. Vaccine effectiveness has been formally
estimated from a number of different sources and is summarised on pages 4 to 15 in this report.
The rates are calculated per 100,000 in people who have received either 3 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine or in people who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine. These figures are updated each week as the number of unvaccinated individuals and individuals vaccinated with 3 doses in the population changes.
The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are unadjusted crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data and there are likely to be systematic
differences between these 2 population groups. For example:
• testing behaviour is likely to be different between people with different vaccination status, resulting in differences in the chances of being identified as a case
many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or because of underlying health
issues
• people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have differing levels of exposure to COVID-19
• people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives them some natural immunity to
the virus which may have contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks

- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek_11.pdf , page 45

^The author provides no citations or evidence for their baseless claims.

The Science is very clear. And what it is telling us is this. That if you are unvaccinated, you are three times less likely to catch covid-19, than if you are vaccinated. That confers an increase of 300% protection against deadly covid disease. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. If you are vaccinated, get unvaccinated.
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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:05 pm

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2020: The Year the Good Nazis Took Over

Monica Hughes PhD

Just when I feel I have come to grips with the loss of my country, the emotions start in again and I go through another part of the grief process. That is what it is because I have to grieve losses so many times in my life, from many treasured grandparents to pets to my mother to my husband.

At times, it is inconceivable to me what’s happened in New Zealand.

I’ve been enjoying so many pieces written by Rodney Hide, former Member of Parliament, who was part of the protests on the Parliament grounds. I excerpted one of his previous writings in another piece, War in Wellington. Here’s an excerpt from his latest piece, Aotearoa. For those of you who don’t know, Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand.

There is constant fear in Aotearoa. Fear is a primitive emotion that overrides reason and keeps us compliant. We have X years to save the planet. We must do Y. Otherwise all life is doomed.

Or better, there's a pandemic. You are going to die. Tomorrow. Lock everyone down. Do as you are told. Don't question the policy. That will kill grandma. Or worse. Don't undermine public health. Report the truth. We will tell you the truth. Sweden? They will all die. Report that. They didn't die? Don't report that. That would undermine public health.

Don't talk to your neighbours. Stay in your bubble. Mask up. Don't go to the playground: it's a biohazard.

Take your medicine. Or lose your job. And become second class. Even your kids must take their medication. And keep taking it. Are your papers in order? Did you scan in? Still getting sick? Take more medicine: otherwise you will be even sicker. Oh it's like a bad 'flu? Ha! That's a dangerous conspiracy. It would have killed you but the closed borders, lockdowns and medication saved you and made covid the flu. Our models and scientists prove it. And our media endlessly repeat it. Covid was bad but government made it okay.

Oh no. A new strain is about to hit Aotearoa. Keep your papers up-to-date.

People are protesting? They have lost their jobs? Their homes? The medication injured them? They are filth. They are foreign. They are fascists. They are white supremacists. They have been on the internet. They are dangerous. Stay away. They will make you sick. Don't talk to them. You will lose your job. You will become one of them. You don't want to be abused and belittled. Even the opposition agree. We are united. We are a team of 5 million. Be kind. Stay safe. The police will clean out the filth. They will preserve the truth.

How does this happen in a country filled with some of the most decent, hardworking, virtuous people on earth? This is how. From The Day I Understood the “Good German”:

“…practically every German had contact with some Jewish family. They were a society that lived in reasonable harmony. Ordinary Germans went to Jewish businesses. Germans had Jewish employees. Their children attended the same schools. They all went to the same clubs, the same restaurants, and played sports together. Friendships were common and natural.

Less than ten years later, how do you, an ordinary citizen, accept that a family of neighbors is removed on trains to concentration camps? How do you accept that your Jewish friend's neighborhood business is closed, with the owners removed from society, without any protest?

Hate speech, the book "Mein Kampf", defamation, repression, dictatorship, censorship, and Goebbels' massive propaganda, no matter how devilishly brilliant they may have been, in my view, were never enough to explain the contempt of almost a whole society for the lives of other human beings.

For something of these proportions to occur, it is not enough for there to merely be a dictatorship. It needs a totalitarian state where the population is in harmony with the dictatorial government. It needs a people that collaborates by denouncing, helping, and not caring about the evil in front of them. For this, the population needs to understand the opposite: that evil is good.

Now, by studying the history of previous pandemics, I have discovered some clues to try to solve the mystery. It became a little clearer when I read a scientific paper that analyzes the typhus pandemic within the Warsaw Ghetto. I had never read anything about the conflict from this point of view.



Due to losses of soldiers to typhus in World War I, Germany in the 1930s and 1940s had great concern for public health. They cultivated an obsession with infectious diseases. "There was a fanatical fear of typhus spreading to the German people and its army" the Australian scientists explained.

Simultaneously, scientists reached the scientific consensus that Jews were the carriers of the disease. Therefore, to protect the population from the pandemic, a wall was built as a public health effort to contain the typhus spreaders. It was 10 feet high and 18 kilometers long. It was the "epidemic wall". In this way, the Jews of Warsaw, about one third of the entire population of the city, were confined in the neighborhood. The total number of Jews in all of Poland was 3.4 million.

When typhus cases increased in the ghetto, as was to be expected due to the crowding of people in a small space, physician Jost Walbaum, the highest health authority, reinforced the already established scientific consensus: "The Jews are overwhelmingly the carriers and disseminators of typhus infection."

Soon he resolved to spare no effort to control the pandemic. "We have one and only one responsibility, that the German people are not infected and endangered by these parasites. For that, any means must be right," Dr Jost added, being applauded by about 100 people, mostly doctors.

In the following, Hans Frank, one of the highest authorities of the General Government, following science, stated that the murder of 3 million Jews in Poland "“was unavoidable for reasons of public health."



Vaccines against COVID-19 to date do not reduce transmission. They do not sterilize the virus. That is already defined by science in several studies. It does not reduce waves in countries. It does not reduce contamination inside the home. Maybe it is even making contamination worse. And maybe it increases the possibility of catching the new variant, the omicron. Recently, for example, Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries, the only one on the planet with the fourth dose, broke the world record of cases per million and saw the number of deaths go way up.

In other words, science has already defined that these vaccines are not a societal pact. You take it for yourself, thinking about your disease, in case you get infected, and not to help society fight the pandemic. Vaccines don't stop infection and they don't stop transmission.

However, on television, the message is different: "The vaccine protects both you and the people around you," said epidemiologist Pedro Hallal on TV Globo, Brazil's largest network, in a recent report. He was just repeating a pseudoscientific consensus created by authorities and massively repeated like Goebbels' propaganda.

By saying that vaccines protect people "around you," a statement as untrue as the claim that Jews were the spreaders of typhus, you point out who is to blame for COVID-19: those who decided not to get the vaccine.



And I finally understood "good German"

With the pseudoscientific consensus that vaccines protect people "around you" massively disseminated, by reading a news story, I finally understood the "good German".

I needed something that experienced the mood of that time to understand it.

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"Hospitals in multiple countries reportedly declined to treat a 3-year-old boy with a serious heart condition because his parents weren't vaccinated against COVID-19", says the story published in NewsWeek.

He is a boy from Cyprus. He tried to go to Germany to have surgery. "At the last minute, the Frankfurt hospital told authorities in Cyprus that the surgery wasn't going to happen. The hospital reportedly cited the parents' lack of a COVID-19 vaccine as the reason", the news reports.

"Cypriot authorities reportedly suggested a different guardian journey with the boy to Germany but were unsuccessful in persuading the hospital", informs the report.

With Germany's refusal, they tried in the United Kingdom, the country that was a base of the fight against fascism. It was also denied. Later they tried Israel, the country made up of the people who suffered the Holocaust, but was also refused.

The child was not infected. The parents were not infected. And even with vaccines that do not reduce transmission, they decided that the parents are to blame for the pandemic and sent a message: that their child deserves to die because of it.

What is the difference between the health professionals in those hospitals and the doctors who applauded Dr Jost Walbaum? What is the difference between them and those who saw the trains full of children going to Auschwitz and didn't care? None. They made me understand the "good German". A contempt for the lives of others.

"Recipients are heavily scrutinized to qualify for hard-to-come-by hearts or any other organs for transplant. They have to go to the patient most likely to survive," commented an anonymous "good German" in the news, behaving like the people who were afraid of the starving children in the Warsaw ghetto.

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A child begging on the sidewalk of the ghetto in the summer of 1941. Photo by Georg, Willy ( Imperial War Museums)

"Ignore the rules, engage in high risk behavior and get tossed off the list for transplants. Same rules that have always been in place," commented a North American who appreciates rules being obeyed.


It is terrifying to come to grips with the fact that so many people I thought I knew became good Nazis. Rule-followers who look the other way, and are willing to accept evil as good. Because they are afraid. Which happened in turn because they have been manipulated and lied to and have neither the intelligence nor the courage to go digging. Again, from The Good German:

In other words, the "good German" was a guy who believed he was "following science". I have not found any record of Germans who opposed this fear created against Jews. But I believe that probably when someone did object, he was accused of being a "science denier".

It doesn't matter that today we have 10 billion doses administered, and every reasonably well-informed person knows or has heard of someone who, even if vaccinated, contracted COVID. People believe the authorities who call themselves spokesmen of science, not the science itself.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:15 am

drstrangelove » 18 Mar 2022 20:38 wrote:If people started getting sicker from covid than they had been in 2020 or 2021, it would have little to do with the virus getting stronger, and more to do with their immune system getting weaker. Which was part of Bert's thesis, that the vaccine basically gives you AIDS through suppression of the immune system over time.

If they start making up a new variant of greater severity, and such a thing is backed by some kind of credible dataset, it will most likely be them covering up the fact people now effectively have AIDS.

Why wouldn't Pfizer give people AIDS if they could? Serious question. Why would they not do it? Would it be because they have ethics? Or that they would be punished for doing it? Or would there be some kind of regulatory agency responsible enough to stop them? Or that there was no opportunity for them to do it? :shrug:

The fallout would be, quite literally, everyone just accepting they now have aids and it isn't a big deal.


Covid vaccinated people get colds, flus, bacterial infections etc and recover from them. Aids patients don't.

How does the vaccine suppress your immune system over time?
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:46 am

Bert claims that the vaccine, or how it is being used during a pandemic, induces adaptive immunity in such a way that it suppresses innate immunity. His argument isn't reduced to the vaccine, but the interplay of the vaccine and the pandemic environment. Which places his thesis beyond the purview of 99.999999% of specialized experts, which is what had me interested. Doesn't mean he is right, just means he's worth paying attention to. And the UK data, which has been the most thorough as far as I know, has started to scrub people who have had 1 or 2 doses from its dataset. That is suspect. I can understand scrubbing maybe 1 dose people, but people who have had 2 doses absolutely should count as vaccinated, even if not 'fully' vaccinated.

So now the only vaccines outcomes we are getting are those who have had 3 doses. I can only assume they've left out a large subset of vaccinated people because that data doesn't fit the narrative. If it did, they would've certainly included it. And even still, 18-29 year olds with 3 doses are hospitalized at a higher rate(pro rata of course) than those who are unvaccinated.

Looks like reality is leaking through the data. You can only plug so many fingers into a dike before the force of nature crashes down upon you.
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