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Norway is one of very few western European countries not to be a member of the European Union. Norway has held a referendum on the issue of EU membership twice, first in 1972 and then again in 1994. On both occasions, a rather narrow majority of the Norwegian population rejected membership (in 1994, 52% were against and 48% were in favour).
http://www.eu-norway.org/eu/
Oil
According to the Oil and Gas Journal (OGJ), Norway had 6.7 billion barrels of proven oil reserves as of January 1, 2009, the largest oil reserves in Western Europe. Norway produced about 2.47 million barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2008 and consumed about 217,000 bbl/d. In 2008, Norway was the sixth-largest net oil exporter in the world, exporting about 2.25 million bbl/d.
Natural Gas
According to the OGJ, Norway had 81.7 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven natural gas reserves as of January 2009.
Natural Gas Exports
Norway exported about 3.3 Tcf of natural gas in 2008, almost all of it to Europe, via pipeline and a small amount via liquefied natural gas (LNG) tanker. The country is the second-largest supplier of natural gas to the European Union, behind Russia. The largest recipient of Norway's natural gas pipeline exports in 2008 was Germany (932 Bcf), followed by the United Kingdom (893 Bcf), and France (562 Bcf).
http://geology.com/energy/norway/
stickdog99 wrote:Joe Hillshoist wrote:stickdog99 wrote:Dradin Kastell wrote:Coming from a similar-sized Northern European country as Norway, with only one dedicated national "heavy weapons"/"anti-terror" police unit, I see the events and the timetable of the Norwegian police response more or less plausible.
Sorry, but I don't buy that you decide not to send the closest cops when you have multiple reports of a single gunman slaughtering a bunch of kids. That is simply not plausible in any way, shape or form.
Wait a minute - where did the reports of two gunmen come from then? Did they start before the guy was busted/stopped?
Fine. Two gunmen. The point is that if I were a cop and I were to get a call that kids are getting indiscriminately shot at by anything less than an armed militia, I would be driving my own ass to the scene ASAP while radioing for as much back up as possible the entire drive.
Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:One thing about the picture is the badge on his shoulder which says "Marxist Hunter Norway".
In his video there''s a picture of the same badge only it says "Marxist Hunter England":
So maybe didnt just remove the background with photoshop but also used it to change little details like that.
Police also lowered the previously announced death toll, saying 68 people died on Utøya, not 86 as previously stated. Eight died in the bomb attack in Oslo
stickdog99 wrote:kenoma wrote:stickdog99 wrote:According to the current official timeline, it took 97 minutes for the killer to go from placing a bomb in Oslo to killing kids on the island and he took the ferry!
Nobody's suggesting he lit a fuse under the car.
The timeline is:
15:20: A witness observes what he describes as a suspicious-looking man leaving Regjeringskvartalet (the Government quarter), in downtown Oslo.[8]
15:22: A bomb placed in a Volkswagen Crafter goes off in Grubbegata, near the offices of the Prime Minister, and several other governmental buildings.[9]
Again WTF is up with all the apologists for the cops taking 78 minutes to get the damn island with little kids getting shot all the while?
17:27: The local police district in Buskerud learn about the shooting, and three minutes later the police in Oslo are informed.[10]
17:38: Northern Buskerud police district ask Oslo police district for assistance.[13] Beredskapstroppen (the Contingency Platoon) is dispatched from Oslo to Utøya.[10]
17:52: The first local police car arrives at Tyrifjorden, but the officers have to wait for a suitable craft before they can cross over to Utøya.[12]
18:00
18:09: The Contingency Platoon arrive, but are also forced to wait for a boat.[9] The boat that is finally provided is too small for the amount of personnel and equipment, and nearly sinks during the crossing.[12]
18:25: The Contingency Platoon arrive on Utøya and go ashore.[11]
semper occultus wrote:
Breivik's efforts may succeed in doing to the populist anti-EU extreme-right in Scandinavia & - via his oft-mentioned EDL links, Britain - what Manson did for the Peace & Love hippies
justdrew wrote:it does seem like everyone shot has died... which is unusual, but that's a big gun he had.
Harvey wrote:kenoma wrote:
Weird that you would try to rewrite the historical record to liven up an otherwise fruitless wiki-binge.
But it sounds like you're having fun, so carry on.
No I didn't mean that sorrytypo. At the begining of etc...
Harvey wrote:I know it's all a complete flight of fantasy, but there was that story last year in Wired magazineU.S. Spies Want to Find Terrorists in World of Warcraft.
Games within games. I just thought I'd play the game for a while and see where it leads.
stickdog99 wrote:kenoma wrote:stickdog99 wrote:According to the current official timeline, it took 97 minutes for the killer to go from placing a bomb in Oslo to killing kids on the island and he took the ferry!
Nobody's suggesting he lit a fuse under the car.
The timeline is:
15:20: A witness observes what he describes as a suspicious-looking man leaving Regjeringskvartalet (the Government quarter), in downtown Oslo.[8]
15:22: A bomb placed in a Volkswagen Crafter goes off in Grubbegata, near the offices of the Prime Minister, and several other governmental buildings.[9]
Again WTF is up with all the apologists for the cops taking 78 minutes to get the damn island with little kids getting shot all the while?
kenoma wrote:Harvey wrote:kenoma wrote:
Weird that you would try to rewrite the historical record to liven up an otherwise fruitless wiki-binge.
But it sounds like you're having fun, so carry on.
No I didn't mean that sorrytypo. At the begining of etc...
A typo with a hyperlink? How does that happen?Harvey wrote:I know it's all a complete flight of fantasy, but there was that story last year in Wired magazineU.S. Spies Want to Find Terrorists in World of Warcraft.
Games within games. I just thought I'd play the game for a while and see where it leads.
This is terribly Mrs Lovejoy, I know, but games? For fuck's sake, we haven't had the funerals yet
Joe Hillshoist wrote:
If you were a cops boss, or a cop higher up the chain of command you might not think that. You might be thinking that there has been a bombing here, then a mass shooting all the way over there. Whats gonna happen when we get there to stop the mad shooting? A nuke in Bergen. Someone kills the royal family?
Its a different level of responsibility to being a cop on the ground at the site of the shooting. Especially when you don't know what is gonna happen next.
IN Australia, and AFAIK this applies to every emergency service in the Western World, if you are in charge then you are responsible for the safety of the people you're in charge of first. And for getting them to do the job correctly. Everything else comes second.
Despite what the movies say no one is expected to send their people into harms way with no specific info on whats going on. You have a boat full of armed men - you send across open water and one or two armed perps then shoot them all in the boat or shoot it with an rpg, which they may well have given there has just been a bombing and what appears to be an organised targeted mass killing. Then you have to dedicate resources to rescuing them and treating them as well as everything else.
Its far easier for a civilian in a boat to take independent autonomous and successful action off their own initiative than it is for an organised hierarchy to do the same thing.
Also people are assuming that cops are some sort of saviours that'll come in and make everything all right.
Fuck if you called the cops where I live and they got here inside an hour I'd be (un?) pleasantly surprised.
People take advantage of the fact that cops are notoriously slow to get anywhere to get stuff done and get the fuck away.
MacCruiskeen wrote:
If the Norway massacre really was a state-supported psyop, then it could turn out to be a highly effective one. For who's going to support The Monster's right to defend his monstrous words and deeds? Certainly not [the remains of] the left, who did no such thing with OBL or with KSM, and who will certainly be even less willing to demand a public platform, i.e. a fair and open trial, for a cartoon SS butcher. If "Al Qaeda" is in decline as a brand and as a cartoon bogeyman (having done sterling service for the last ten years), then The Evil Vikings may well function beautifully as a replacement horror, complete with similar traumatising media images of brutal mass murder. Not least because neo-Nazis, like violent Islamists, undoubtedly exist, and the two of them can be discreetly encouraged and played off against each other endlessly. Maybe, in fact, The Evil Vikings will give The Evil Islamists a new lease of life (if that's the word). And thus [the remains of] the left can be made even more pliable and acquiescent, and absorbed even further into the much more insidious & sophisticated fascism of the transnational anti-Terror security state.
I am scaring myself very effectively now, or else somebody else is. And when we're all scared of everybody all the time, you could call it Mission Accomplished.
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