Madeleine Incorporated

[blanc]

anyone else puzzled by blood evidence from suspected overdose of sedative aspect to this? and blood evidence from body supposedly kept for 25 days in warm place before transport in the vehicle? and the vehicle in question not being impounded?

[blanc]

also, most recent reports say detectives accused Kate of moving the body in the car, then she angrily pointed out that it was hired 25 days after her daughters disappearance. Wouldnt one expect investigators to have checked on the history of a vehicle if forensics were being done on it? reports based on her version of the line of questioning of course.

[sunny]

blanc wrote:

Wouldnt one expect investigators to have checked on the history of a vehicle if forensics were being done on it?

That is my question. AND how can they have allowed the McCanns to continue driving the car if it contained valuable forensic evidence? How hard would it be for them to hire another car while the police retained that one?

[Sepka]

Sepka, forensic examiners can tell if dried blood flaked off another object onto a surface in the car.

All of the stories I've seen (admittedly, I'm not following this too closely) simply say that the police found the victim's blood in the car, without really going into details. Was the blood found such as could only come from a body, then?

[sunny]

Sepka, forensic examiners can tell if dried blood flaked off another object onto a surface in the car.

All of the stories I've seen (admittedly, I'm not following this too closely) simply say that the police found the victim's blood in the car, without really going into details. Was the blood found such as could only come from a body, then?

The police are accusing her of transporting the body in the car, which would tend to indicate something other than the presence of dried flakes of blood from a secondary source. IOW, dried flaky blood present in the car from a secondary transfer would seem to rule out the body itself being in the car. However, dried flaky blood present in the car would still tend to throw suspicion onto the parents.

We STILL need to know who had the car before the McCanns.

[HMKGrey]

According to The Times, the police aren't actually saying blood was found in the car. It's a misnomer that the press speculated on and has bloomed in to supposed fact.

This explains why they haven't impounded the vehicle.

I still think it's a set up.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Interesting how all those British government-media spooks took over handling the parent's Big Story.

Since males represent Authority they are protected from being identified as the most common Inside Job perps committing violence, rape, incest, abuse of all kinds.

So any time a mother can be identified as Evil is a big boon to the male-run Authority Theater system.

[antiaristo]

Interesting how all those British government-media spooks took over handling the parent's Big Story.

Hugh,
It's a bit more interesting than that.

Here's the text:

Fortunately, the Mark Warner organisation that runs the holiday camp where Madeleine disappeared was represented by one of the best PRs in the business.

Alex Woolfall is crisis management head at Bell Pottinger, the public relations outfit headed by the original sultan of spin, Lord Bell. Mr Woolfall’s main clients have included that other global brand Coca-Cola.

For the first fortnight after Madeleine disappeared, he was on the spot in Praia da Luz, acting as gobetween for the family and the growing pack of journalists.

“We were aware from the outset that there was a huge amount of media interest and they were very keen to see the media as a partner,” he said in an interview.

The McCanns are hit by a crisis. In fact, every parent's worst nightmare.

And who should appear from nowhere? None other than Lord Bell's top crisis manager.

He didn't "take over".
He got the ball rolling. Before being relieved by a woman. (perhaps I should rephrase that last sentence )

Tim Bell was Margaret Thatcher's PR guru. There is no more Establisment spin-merchant. And like other dodgy characters I could mention, he operates from the House of Lords, is therefore a legislator, and possesses all the "protection" that implies.

But it gets more interesting.
The McCanns used the facilities at Mark Warner. But their accomodation was just OUTSIDE the complex.

That's important for two reasons.

First, there is no conflict of interest between the McCanns and Mark Warner, simply because Mark Warner CANNOT be held legally liable. Had their accomodation been within the complex then Mr Woolfall would be unable to help, however much he desired so to do.

Second, the underlying point that there is no harm to Warner, should an "old friend" be calling in a favour.


I suspect the same has been done to the McCanns as was done to the directors at Matrix Churchill. They have been deliberately set up.

[slimmouse]

Interesting how all those British government-media spooks took over handling the parent's Big Story.

Hugh,
It's a bit more interesting than that.

Here's the text:

Fortunately, the Mark Warner organisation that runs the holiday camp where Madeleine disappeared was represented by one of the best PRs in the business.

Alex Woolfall is crisis management head at Bell Pottinger, the public relations outfit headed by the original sultan of spin, Lord Bell. Mr Woolfall’s main clients have included that other global brand Coca-Cola.

For the first fortnight after Madeleine disappeared, he was on the spot in Praia da Luz, acting as gobetween for the family and the growing pack of journalists.

“We were aware from the outset that there was a huge amount of media interest and they were very keen to see the media as a partner,” he said in an interview.

The McCanns are hit by a crisis. In fact, every parent's worst nightmare.

And who should appear from nowhere? None other than Lord Bell's top crisis manager.

He didn't "take over".
He got the ball rolling. Before being relieved by a woman. (perhaps I should rephrase that last sentence )

Tim Bell was Margaret Thatcher's PR guru. There is no more Establisment spin-merchant. And like other dodgy characters I could mention, he operates from the House of Lords, is therefore a legislator, and possesses all the "protection" that implies.

But it gets more interesting.
The McCanns used the facilities at Mark Warner. But their accomodation was just OUTSIDE the complex.

That's important for two reasons.

First, there is no conflict of interest between the McCanns and Mark Warner, simply because Mark Warner CANNOT be held legally liable. Had their accomodation been within the complex then Mr Woolfall would be unable to help, however much he desired so to do.

Second, the underlying point that there is no harm to Warner, should an "old friend" be calling in a favour.


I suspect the same has been done to the McCanns as was done to the directors at Matrix Churchill. They have been deliberately set up.

I dont pay much attention to the news these days. But, having found myself listening more closely WRT this story, this whole affair truly stinks to high heaven.

The McCanns are 'formal suspects', and yet are now allowed to fly home ? ?

I said to a couple of close friends yesterday, that, reading between the lines, it all looked like they were being set up to me too.

[blanc]

set up, or just possibly, as Im a born optimist, its a blind.

[antiaristo]

anyone else puzzled by blood evidence from suspected overdose of sedative aspect to this? and blood evidence from body supposedly kept for 25 days in warm place before transport in the vehicle? and the vehicle in question not being impounded?

blanc,
From the horse's mouth, so to speak.

DTomlinski
September 10, 2007 3:52 PM

I know that sedation of Madeline has been mentioned in press reports and gossip over this case, so I just wanted to share with the CiF crowd a conversation my wife (A theatre nurse) overheard while at the operating table last week.

A (Male) Cardiologist upon hearing on the radio that the McCanns were now suspects started rattling on about how, in his view, the McCanns had sedated the child and come back to find her blue, before chopping her up and disposing of the body. All very tin foil hat or black humour so far, until he decided to initiate a conversation with the other doctors present about sedating kids.

According to this doctor, he has sedated/drugged his children on many an occasion so that he could carry on with his social life. Apparently 'All Cardiologists do it' and whenever one is at a function and the kids are sound asleep upstairs, 'everyone knows how'.

He then challenged the (Female) Anaethetist to deny that she had ever sedated her children. She didn't deny and in fact said that he had done so.

Whether such actions had anything to do with the Madeline McCann case is another matter, but aren't doctors absolute a-holes if sedating your own children so you can carry on a social life is a widespread practise amongst them.

I strongly recommend the entire thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 49,00.html

[blanc]

Icouldnt find the comment about the cardiologists and sleeping drafts given to their offspring for social reasons on the link. Im not giving much weight to gossip of that nature.
McCann is a cardiologist sure, but are we supposed to assume all cardiologist irresponsible with sedation? gets more and more farcical.

for logistical reasons given above about the terrain, and the time scale, I cant see anyone in the situation of these parents having been able to carry out the crime which seems to be being imputed to them. If you add cutting up a body - what they take a chain saw on holiday, a huge plastic sheet, have freezer space arranged, inexplicably double their trouble by doing this in 2 stages, making sure theyve got a media pack after their every move before they find a final resting place, intuitively giving the police tail the slip....

it looks as though Warners child safe policies arent all theyre cracked up to be and they dont allow children in some of their restaurants, run a baby watch service which consists of a staff member listening outside the appartment every hour or so for crying, and the creche option was matresses on the floor.

I absolutely KNOW that there have been paedophile rings operating on the Algarve. Its not a message which those making investments in family tourism would want rammed home.

[Brentos]

Found this post on the Mirror forums...


http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

" 'Wife of Gordon Brown links in with McCann Media Campaign'


Thanks to Kevin2105 we have some new info on links between Gordon Brown and the Pro-McMann Media Machine.

Some time ago BBC News 24 announced that the 'Head of Media Monitoring and Analysis' was to review that day's papers. Her name was Julia Hobsbawm.

WE know that the 'Head of Media Monitoring and Analysis' is actually Clarence Mitchell - but the BBC misled the British Public by suggesting a government official was to review that day's papers.

Naturally Julia Hobsbawm went off on a rant saying that the idea that the McCanns were involved in Madeleine’s disappearance was ridiculous, and "it is time this country asked questions of the Portuguese police and Portugal itself, else we won’t go on there on holiday any more."

But Julia Hobsbawm is NOT a government official. Julia Hobsbawm is an independent PR consultant with deep New Labour Links.

Julia Hobsbawm was a partner in Hobsbawm Macaulay Communications with Sarah Macaulay, now known as Sarah Brown, the wife of British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown.

Julia Hobsbawm is now the founder and chief executive of media analysis and networking company Editorial Intelligence
http://editorialintelligence.com

And this is where it gets very interesting.

Julia Hobsbawm's new company 'Editorial Intelligence' specialises in analysing and exploiting comment and opinion in both print and online media. In simple terms, 'Editorial Intelligence' helps realise the potential of controlling the shape and fabric of public opinion and (d)ebate by controlling what is published in comment areas, forum areas, letters pages and message boards. They have even coined a new word for the online/published British public; they call it the 'Commentariat' (a play upon the word 'Proletariat' - originally coined to describe the lower or working classes).

We, my friends are the 'Commentariat'.

Here's how Julia Hobsbawm's 'Editorial Intelligence' describes itself on its website:

"Editorial Intelligence opens a door to a vital and growing world of print and online comment and opinion. What the 'Commentariat' says affects and influences the direction of public opinion and policy alike and with it, corporate reputation ...

... e.i was established to create a definitive portal to the Commentariat – the word coined by us to describe the world of comment and opinion which has increasing influence, not only on “the debate” but the shape and direction of policy, legislation and public opinion. "

Editorial Intelligence is a new-media PR company. Amoungst other things these kind of PR companies employ people to write press releases, sit in forums, write letters, post comments - all with the expressed purpose of directing public opinion and safe-guarding the interests and reputations of companies or people in the public eye.

Ever wondered why there are so many pro-mccann forum members even now? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.
Ever wondered who the phrase 'trolls' and 'keyboard monkeys' really refer to? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.
Ever wondered why all the comments, letters and opinion pieces in newspapers like the Daiy Mail are unaccountably Pro-McCann? PR companies like Editorial Intelligence.

Companies like Editorial Intelligence literally employ people to sit in forums, write letters and posts comments. Naturally, this is somewhat of an over-simplification - but these ARE nethertheless - some of their more proactive tasks.

The brief has been to give the impression that the weight of public opinion favours sympathy toward the McCanns: to shape the heart and minds of the 'Commentariat' and apply peer pressure on public opinion.

And what's more, Gordon Brown's wife, Sarah Brown and Julia Hobsbawm are the people most likely to be responsible.

Rather tellingly, clients of 'Editorial Intelligence' include SKY News and the General Medical Council.

(Julia Hobsbawm is also a trustee of the Jewish Community Centre for London - supported by none other than Sir Philip Green - loaner of jet and reward provider to the McCanns)

Links:
Sarah Browne - The New First Lady
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6240852.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Brow ... ter's_wife)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind.....a_Hobsbawm

Jon Corner - Godparent to the twins, family spokesman and owner of Online Media, PR and Marketing Company - River Media in Liverpool.
http://www.river-media.com

original thread:
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=12642

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[Fearless]

Seen on MSNBC crawl today:

Who is Madeleine's biological father?

Ben Affleck's new flick features a 4 year old girl named Madeleine who's left alone and abducted.

Hair and fluid were found UNDER the upholstery (carpet?)

[blanc]

I think PR companies have been monitoring internet for a long time - its ten years since I knew someone with a job in the PR section of an american company, whose research seemed to consist of checking the internet. Im not so sure how they would influence opinion on a wide scale via internet though. Mainstream media seems to do a good job of moulding minds. It doent surprise me that the weight of forums is what is termed as pro McCann. How would you be anti a couple whose child had been snatched? OTOH I watched a mainstream french tv broadcast 2 nights ago which by implication made this couple guilty before proved innocent. It posed the question, do people guilty of child killings maintain their innocence before court proceedings and proceeded to answer it by a parade of monsters, the likes of Huntley. thats manipulation.