9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

[Penguin]

On Edit: Sorry, FourthBase, I didnt read all the posts while skimming the thread to the end, and I missed some of it. Read it now and yes, I agree with you.
And my third eye seems to be rusty

[FourthBase]

Again, my point wasn't that the psychic grid of ideas is implausible.
It's that there's no way in hell it's more plausible than an ordinary leak.

[Seventhsonjr]

My feeling is that the Lone Gunmen episode tracks so almost completely with what I believe happened (especially the remote controlled flying patterns after the pilots were killed) that the most plausible explanation is that the idea was planted with the writers for the pilot by a spook working in or around them and that the INTENT of the planting of the idea was to disparage the IDEA that fascists in our government was behind 9-11.

It is also my opinion that the Bushes were involved in assisting in the scenario of the Reichstag Fire. But whether there was any tactic for incoultation before that I am not sure. But the PURPOSE of the attack was precisely to blame those who were NOT involved (Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, the Left who are "soft" on terrorism) so that, like the Reichstag Fire, the corrupt members of government/intel/military could use that as an excuse to disembowel the Constitution, go to war and make tirllions of dollars, consolidate their fascist Fourth Reich power.

But they have known for many decades that (especially after JFK and 11-22-63) that the story must be carefully planned way in advance to offset the opinions and divert rhe eyes of billions of people from the actual bloody perpetrators.

Hatfield said in his July 2001 article that he believed the story about james bond like aerial attacks by neonazis and al qaeda using remote controlled planes full of explosives was a PLANTED story to help the Bushies. Two weeks later he was suicided.

Inoculation works to poison the mind to the truth.

In this case the poison was to discredit the idea of an inside job in the attack by attributing the notion to crazy weirdo conspiracy theorists who hate the fascists and the BFEE.

Even the name "Lone Gunmen" is a JFK reference.

It may have been a subtly planted idea. Maybe it was even more darkly revealed to the writers (subliminal suggestion).

[IanEye]

I would describe the Simpsons, and especially Family Guy and American Dad, as nihilistic more than anti-government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Bad_Neighbors

Homer then glues a rainbow wig on his opponent's head just before he is to give an important speech to a local club.

Barbara: George, it's time to get dressed.

George: N'uh huh. Not going outside today, not with those neighbors.
Staying right here till my speech to the Elk's club.

Homer: [knocking at door] Yoo hoo!

George: Who is it?
[looks through spy hole without glasses on, sees two figures]

Homer: It's your sons, George Bush Jr. and Jeb Bush. {Come outside,
Dad.}

George: {Oh, good.} Bar, the boys are out in the front yard.
_They'll_ help me think of a plan to get those Simpsons.

Barbara: Oh, George, is that all you ever think about? The boys
probably just want a letter of recommendation.

George: [opening door] Boys? [Homer pulls them out of the way] Where
are you going?

Homer: OK, Son: give him the glue!
[Bart squeezes some glue onto Bush's hair]
[Homer stuffs a multicolored afro on top]
[they run off, laughing]

George: [at the Elk's club, still wearing multicolored afro ] And that's why I will continue to oppose
teen alcoholism in all its forms!
[everyone claps]
Now, are there any questions? [everyone puts their hand up]
-- keeping in mind that I already explained about my hair.

Everyone: Oh yeah, that's right. etc. [putting hands down]

[orz]

Even the name "Lone Gunmen" is a JFK reference.

You don't say!

[Seventhsonjr]

Even the name "Lone Gunmen" is a JFK reference.

You don't say! :roll:

There MIGHT still be a few folks who haven't completely put together the name with JFK,

But my POINT was that the subliminal and not so subtle allusions to the murder and coup of 1963 is again a plan to discredit those who believe in conspiracy theories.

I was just kinda underscoring the fact. Okay?

[FourthBase]

I would describe the Simpsons, and especially Family Guy and American Dad, as nihilistic more than anti-government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Bad_Neighbors

Homer then glues a rainbow wig on his opponent's head just before he is to give an important speech to a local club.

Barbara: George, it's time to get dressed.

George: N'uh huh. Not going outside today, not with those neighbors.
Staying right here till my speech to the Elk's club.

Homer: [knocking at door] Yoo hoo!

George: Who is it?
[looks through spy hole without glasses on, sees two figures]

Homer: It's your sons, George Bush Jr. and Jeb Bush. {Come outside,
Dad.}

George: {Oh, good.} Bar, the boys are out in the front yard.
_They'll_ help me think of a plan to get those Simpsons.

Barbara: Oh, George, is that all you ever think about? The boys
probably just want a letter of recommendation.

George: [opening door] Boys? [Homer pulls them out of the way] Where
are you going?

Homer: OK, Son: give him the glue!
[Bart squeezes some glue onto Bush's hair]
[Homer stuffs a multicolored afro on top]
[they run off, laughing]

George: [at the Elk's club, still wearing multicolored afro ] And that's why I will continue to oppose
teen alcoholism in all its forms!
[everyone claps]
Now, are there any questions? [everyone puts their hand up]
-- keeping in mind that I already explained about my hair.

Everyone: Oh yeah, that's right. etc. [putting hands down]

Disarmingly funny, but not really anti-government. The hijinks at Bush's expense release some frustration in the viewer if it's there, and if it's not there then it's all just some funny hijinks in which Bush (the character) is just one of the Simpson gang. Which character on the Simpsons doesn't get humiliated? Basically it has the effect of a comic roast honoring Bush. It's not satire with teeth.

[theeKultleeder]

^^^^^ I believe you are correct.

It is comedy, but Bush I is not treated in any humiliating or "anti" manner in that episode.

"Ex Presidents" cartoons on Saturday Night Live are more scathing.

[8bitagent]

Nearly one-third of “The Simpsons’” adult audience describe themselves as conservative, according to the Simmons Research National Consumer Study conducted in fall 2006.

That's funny. Almost the entire Simpsons movie was a big "conspiracy" fest.

In the new movie you had the NSA spying on everyone, ripping on "evil" corporations like Disney and Fox for hidden agendas, and you had the US government planning to stage a nuclear terror suitcase attack on Springfield.

Last season on The Simpsons they had an entire episode going on and on about how the US government uses slick ads and video games to recruit kids to die and kill for corporate lies.

The whole premise of Family Guy creator's American Dad show is making fun of the right wing, post 9/11 war supporters.

I guess there's just a lot of self hating conservatives.

Meanwhile, Comedy Central is completely "liberal", where so many shows exist as merely an anti Bush stance.

Personally Id love a show that makes fun of both the left and right in America.

But very few shows will go into coverup/conspiracy territory, except for the more obscure MTV or Cartoon Network shows.

The anti Bush/anti war theme is very pop culture and mainstream.

[8bitagent]

But the PURPOSE of the attack was precisely to blame those who were NOT involved (Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, the Left who are "soft" on terrorism)

So al Qaeda wasnt involved in 9/11 now? Oh my

Exploring al Qaeda's deep involvement in 9/11 is exactly how you uncover how it was done, and how the global elite pulled it off.

I tell people who call me a "9/11 conspiracy theorist", I say "of course al Qaeda was used to carry out 9/11...they were not falsely blamed, they are willing stooges, who do you think controls and funds them?"

[theeKultleeder]

8bit, The Simpsons is just proof that everything is not so tightly controlled!

Good things get through. It's like getting past the censors in the 50s...

It's a good thing!

[professorpan]

Again, my point wasn't that the psychic grid of ideas is implausible.
It's that there's no way in hell it's more plausible than an ordinary leak.

Study probability. Study historical coincidences (no need for the application of any sort of metaphysics or paranormal explanations).

Add in the fact that the meme or destroying the WTC was very much circulating, and that conspiracy writers are tapped into the subculture, and it seems not all that unusual of a coincidence.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

8bit, The Simpsons is just proof that everything is not so tightly controlled!

Good things get through. ...

"Get through" to where? A list of funny Simpsons episodes and one-liners?
A snarky joke, a witty gag...do not a movement make. Quite the opposite.

Outrage prevented.
Ridiculing power entertainingly only goes so far and then it acts as palliative and safe venting. Even declassified State Department cables refer to a "narcotic effect" just from having a topic mentioned. This is why Olbermann is still allowed to vent for us.

See 'Hogan's Heroes.'
Nazi camps should not have laugh tracks.
But if you are worried about the Gehlen Organization horrifying American kids, 'Hogan's Heroes' is just the thing to put on primetime television.

[Penguin]

Id have to agree with Hugh here.
Jesters existed in Europe as well in a long tradition of allowed ridiculery of power, to vent the frustration of the common people about their rulers thru the jesting of the jesters. They were allowed to frolic and make fun of the rulers, since it kept the people in line better than letting them grumble among themselves and maybe organize some more serious dissent.

That didnt mean that jesters didnt get beheaded as well, if they crossed some line in the water..

[professorpan]

Humor can have a corrosive effect on powerful people. They fear it.

Look at what happened to Larry Craig -- the jokes about his "wide stance" have reduced him to an ineffectual clown, turning an influential congressman into an object of scorn and ridicule.

Sure, humor can be a safe release valve. It can also bring down the powerful.

But I suppose if Hugh had his way, we'd live in a world without fiction, humor, and mysticism. We'd all study propaganda manuals and congratulate ourselves for ridding the world of everything beyond the factual, the utilitarian, and the realistic. Yay.