9/11 Cult Watch

[Searcher08]

HMW,

If Borderland do not have a significant MI5 percentage, I would eat my hat. Leftist organizations like these here in the UK have been bread and butter for MI5 and Special Branch infiltration for decades.

Your analysis (for me) is bang-on

[King_Mob]

They surely fudged their reports somehow, but that doesn't absolutely, necessarily mean that the towers collapsed from anything other than the massive damage and fires caused by the planes hitting them. Go ahead and try out that "reasonable confidence" thing in the 9/11 Truth movement, where you'll be labelled a fucking narc for not adherring religiously to "The Laws of Pyhsics!!!1!!!". You fucking people suck, and you're either 1) unintentionally or 2) intentionally fucking up the little momentum there is left to question 9/11 with your shrill hairbrained dogma. Go fuck yourselves.

Yeah, who needs those goddam "Laws of Physics" anyway?
Too bad you don't offer anything in your lame ass post but conjecture and childish insults... which seems far more damaging to the movement than scientific observation of the forensic evidence.

Cheers Brentos, your post says it all. I wonder if Jeff will sidestep this information once again...

[FourthBase]

.....
They surely fudged their reports somehow, but that doesn't absolutely, necessarily mean that the towers collapsed from anything other than the massive damage and fires caused by the planes hitting them. Go ahead and try out that "reasonable confidence" thing in the 9/11 Truth movement, where you'll be labelled a fucking narc for not adherring religiously to "The Laws of Pyhsics!!!1!!!".

Of course shitting on people who haven't yet grasped the physics anchor is counterproductive.

But that doesn't mean that the physics anchor isn't TRUE. And it is true. Controlled demolition is proven and won't go away.

One of the few cointelpro devices left on this topic (and people naturally do this, not just spooks) is to paint people who already know the proof...and are certain and adamant about the laws of physics just as they are that the world is round...as "cultish" assholes to repel others who might look in the door and see "OMG, it's true."

Certainty about anything has been discredited as if only religious zealots are certain of anything.

Fuck certainty. Fuck you and your sideways "cointelpro" smear, too.

You fucking people suck, and you're either 1) unintentionally or 2) intentionally fucking up the little momentum there is left to question 9/11 with your shrill hairbrained dogma. Go fuck yourselves.

Congratulations, you've been faked out on the field. You've been tricked into not looking at the physical evidence message and instead looking at the kerfuffle created around the messengers.

Please, spend some time going through the scientific powerpoint presentations and stuff at
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Winging it ain't the way to figuring shit out. Or wrangling in schoolyard popularity contests as if the truth of a crime was reached by consensus.

Anyone can look for themselves.
But few actually do it.

Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.

[FourthBase]

They surely fudged their reports somehow, but that doesn't absolutely, necessarily mean that the towers collapsed from anything other than the massive damage and fires caused by the planes hitting them. Go ahead and try out that "reasonable confidence" thing in the 9/11 Truth movement, where you'll be labelled a fucking narc for not adherring religiously to "The Laws of Pyhsics!!!1!!!". You fucking people suck, and you're either 1) unintentionally or 2) intentionally fucking up the little momentum there is left to question 9/11 with your shrill hairbrained dogma. Go fuck yourselves.

Yeah, who needs those goddam "Laws of Physics" anyway?
Too bad you don't offer anything in your lame ass post but conjecture and childish insults... which seems far more damaging to the movement than scientific observation of the forensic evidence.

Cheers Brentos, your post says it all. I wonder if Jeff will sidestep this information once again...

Idiot, you missed my point.

So are these the assholes who ruin the comments section on Jeff's blog? If I were Jeff, I would immediately ban them. I would ban Hugh, too, sadly. The dude needs to get himself to a peaceful cabin in the woods for a while, leave the internet and books behind, and bring whatever medication he's been prescribed that he's not taking.

[isachar]

[quote="FourthBase
Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.[/quote]

Uhh, no, and neither is pulling shit out of your ass which is just another way of saying 'winging it', but I can sure see how you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomo and orzo think that's the case.

Not much more we need to know about your methods and approaches, I guess.

Hope you're using rubber gloves?

[FourthBase]

Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.

Uhh, no, and neither is pulling shit out of your ass which is just another way of saying 'winging it', but I can sure see how you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomo and orzo think that's the case.

Not much more we need to know about your methods and approaches, I guess.

Hope you're using rubber gloves?

"Winging it" does not necessarily mean pulling shit out of your ass, dickhead. It can also mean doing something without guidelines, which is antithetical to your fucking Truth Brigade which dogmatically enforces opinions on others. Leave, you piece of shit.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Sounds like a really bad day for FourthBase. It happens.
I hope whatever sucks today passes soon. Bests to you.

Anyway...

[FourthBase]

Sounds like a really bad day for FourthBase. It happens.
I hope whatever sucks today passes soon. Bests to you.

Anyway...

Get help, Hugh.

[isachar]

Orzo.

Meaningless, you can't make a 'pun' if you could even call it that out of my username, it's not a word.

It's a limp and soggy form of round pasta, you payaso.

Don't get out much, do you?

[isachar]

Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.

Uhh, no, and neither is pulling shit out of your ass which is just another way of saying 'winging it', but I can sure see how you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomo and orzo think that's the case.

Not much more we need to know about your methods and approaches, I guess.

Hope you're using rubber gloves?

"Winging it" does not necessarily mean pulling shit out of your ass, dickhead. It can also mean doing something without guidelines, which is antithetical to your fucking Truth Brigade which dogmatically enforces opinions on others. Leave, you piece of shit.

"Doing things without guidelines" - as with no methodology, no discipline, no systemic method of approach, no scientific method and no validity.

Yup, sure sounds like pulling things out of your ass to me. But like, whatever, dude. I'm sure a number of people here can relate.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

HMW,

If Borderland do not have a significant MI5 percentage, I would eat my hat. Leftist organizations like these here in the UK have been bread and butter for MI5 and Special Branch infiltration for decades.

Your analysis (for me) is bang-on

Ah, so you're in the UK. Yah, we have our fake leftie orgs in the US, too.
There are only a few things off limits-
9/11, psy-ops, political assassinations, teaching torture, recent coups, and election fraud.

You know, the stuff that most effectively controls history.

The Data Dump forum has this thread with info about CIA and MI5 working together to neutralize the labor left after the 1970s under Thatcher-

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=13121
(MI5 + CIA in UK media attack Labour Party)

[FourthBase]

Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.

Uhh, no, and neither is pulling shit out of your ass which is just another way of saying 'winging it', but I can sure see how you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomo and orzo think that's the case.

Not much more we need to know about your methods and approaches, I guess.

Hope you're using rubber gloves?

"Winging it" does not necessarily mean pulling shit out of your ass, dickhead. It can also mean doing something without guidelines, which is antithetical to your fucking Truth Brigade which dogmatically enforces opinions on others. Leave, you piece of shit.

"Doing things without guidelines" - as with no methodology, no discipline, no systemic method of approach, no scientific method and no validity.

Yup, sure sounds like pulling things out of your ass to me. But like, whatever, dude. I'm sure a number of people here can relate.

Nice try warping the sense of "winging it", you fucking tool. What you and others want is for NIST to have winged it, i.e., for them to have examined the evidence without any preconceptions, without any guidelines telling them what they were supposed to conclude. And here you are trashing the concept of winging it, because here it's an antidote to your crusade of 9/11 Truth orthodoxy. Like I said, go fuck yourself.

[slimmouse]

In some ways, its extremely appropriate that this threads gone to shit.

It started with a pile of shit in the form of a link to the cult watch "Notes from the borderland" team.

I have to say in truth, that I am impressed by the bibliography of the recent NFTB "Work in progress". Last time I went anywhere near that site a couple of years ago, anything that even remotely contradicted the official story was considered derisable.

Their late entry into even peering at 9/11 is something which I find particularly fascinating since this was one of the reasons they were siting for David Shayler being cointel- namely that he "suddenly appeared on the 9/11 truth scene 2 years after the event ".

Meanwhile, they themselves, having laughed and ridiculed us conspiracy theorists for a good 2 years have apparently almost slithered into a "definite maybe" position.

I wonder what made them change their minds ?

It must have been all that time they spent on the 9/11 UK site laughing at people who believed they saw towers being blown to hell that day.

I guess if you wait 5 years instead of 2, and then can somehow conflate CD with "pods and holograms" that doesnt make you suspect.

I guess if like messrs O Hara and co, you have spent years studying and anylysing "deep parapolitics", which you claim to understand better than most, and yet not see the official story of 9/11 for the pile of bullshit that it is for almost 6 years after the event, then your just being "ultra - studious" in your standpoint.

Larry O hara and Paul Stott. Too funny.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....What you and others want is for NIST to have winged it, i.e., for them to have examined the evidence without any preconceptions, without any guidelines telling them what they were supposed to conclude.

But the NIST is the USG. And the same guys who covered up Oklahoma City being blown up with military bombs in the building are doing it again for 9/11.

The exposure of NIST's lies and distortions has been best done by Jim Hoffman, Dr. Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Richard Gage, and the many structural engineers in Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Hey. What a coincidence. Those are the people ignored by or discredited by '9/11 Cult Watch' and their linked allies. And others.

Garsh. I wonder why.

And here you are trashing the concept of winging it, because here it's an antidote to your crusade of 9/11 Truth orthodoxy.

Are the laws of physics a "crusade of...orthodoxy?" Is the NIST independent? No.
Looks to me like you're taking the 'you're not the boss of me' meme hook-line-and-sinker.

You can make comments about me needing medication but I've done my homework.

http://www.ae911truth.org/twintowers.php

[isachar]

Winging it is the way to figure shit out, you mentally diseased twit.

Uhh, no, and neither is pulling shit out of your ass which is just another way of saying 'winging it', but I can sure see how you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomo and orzo think that's the case.

Not much more we need to know about your methods and approaches, I guess.

Hope you're using rubber gloves?

"Winging it" does not necessarily mean pulling shit out of your ass, dickhead. It can also mean doing something without guidelines, which is antithetical to your fucking Truth Brigade which dogmatically enforces opinions on others. Leave, you piece of shit.

"Doing things without guidelines" - as with no methodology, no discipline, no systemic method of approach, no scientific method and no validity.

Yup, sure sounds like pulling things out of your ass to me. But like, whatever, dude. I'm sure a number of people here can relate.

Nice try warping the sense of "winging it", you fucking tool. What you and others want is for NIST to have winged it, i.e., for them to have examined the evidence without any preconceptions, without any guidelines telling them what they were supposed to conclude. And here you are trashing the concept of winging it, because here it's an antidote to your crusade of 9/11 Truth orthodoxy. Like I said, go fuck yourself.

FB, now we're getting somewhere.

I didn't want NIST to do anything other than to put forward a credible and valid explanation for the WTC's collapse.

NIST's entire case rests on its bogus, backwards assume your own results computer simulation. This is where they used a computer to simulate what the internal temps had to have been (using highly optimized assumptions which were themselves unrealistic) across large areas of one or more floors to cause sufficient steel to fail to initiate a 'global' collapse. (They didn't give a fig or spend even a sentence on what happened after the moment of initiation of collapse.)

They then assumed these temps were, in fact present, and were what caused the collapse.

This is called assuming your own results/conclusions. And it is a priori indication of scientific fraud and/or ineptitude.

That's all the NIST official fairy tale hangs on.

When they commissioned a lab to test structural steel by actually exposing it to real fire simulated to replicate the conditions inside the WTC's, IT DID NOT FAIL, even though it was subjected to direct exposure/temps for longer than the steel inside the WTC's.

They actually ceased doing live fire tests after that and never got around to doing a lab test that would have even more closely replicated the actual condtions to which the steel was exposed. Rather, they decided to rely on the computer simulation instead.

And, none of the steel recovered from the site at or near the point of impacts shows any sign of having been exposed to such temps.

Now, I've seen this kind of hide the pickle trick many times before in various 'official' though more mundane government lies and hoaxes otherwise known as 'studies'. I've made my living for the past 30 years deconstructing such fairy tales and exposing them. This phony computer simulation is the smoking gun which exposes the official story to be a fairy tale.

Now, I can understand that you may not grasp why this is the case, but I can well assure you that the phony computer simulation is the Achilles heel of the NIST investigation, since absent the phony simulation, they have nothing else to back up their theory. But it sure did do its intended job, didn't it? They got you, Jeff, Sir Isaac Nomobrain, orzo and millions of others. As they usually do with their phony junk - cause, after all, they're the govt and they'll crucify anyone who tries to cross them. Believe me, I know from personal experience.

Now, I don't suppose you've got up against the government on such issues - to have the credentials to do so and to call their phony crap that to their faces. I have. Numerous times over the last 30 or so years, and I've never been shown to be wrong.

What I can say with all confidence is that the phony computer simulation used by NIST is precisely the type of technique the govt employs when it wishes to play hide the sausage. The fact that this type of hoax usually works against most doesn't make it valid. It only goes to show that there's a sucker born every minute and, if you're the govt, you can fool most of the people most of the time.

Unfortunately, you, Jeff, Nomo and orz are among the fooled. But not just among them. You've volunteered yourselves to come forward to be complicit in the hoax and to wage a vigorous and vengeful and sustained attack on those who point out the emperor (NIST's analysis) has no clothes.

But, if that kind of nonsense is what passes your 'winging it' threshhold, so be it. I don't seek to deny you or others your opinion. But we should all be cognizant on the bogus foundation on which your, Jeff's, Sir isaac Nomo and orzo's opinion/faith rests.

Get yourself a big box of rubber gloves, buddy. You're gonna need it.