Another mystery foot in BC

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Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:20 pm

brainpanhandler, these are so cool. I had to post the hellish bunny rabbit.

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Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:58 pm

For the link averse:

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The caption for this photo reads, Abstract Form

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What the hell is this?

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Single antenna on this one.

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context- a secret, secluded clearing in the woods on a sparsely inhabited island
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:43 pm

I've always been drawn to whirlpools. As a child the best part of taking a bath was the whirlpool that formed when the drain was opened. I seem to remember taking special pleasure in poking boats toward the vortex and watching them slowly get caught up in it and sucked down to the bottom. So when I found the Maelstrom.Giant Whirlpool. thread I was intrigued.

Thanks to Rory. Fascinating documentary.

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=46209

At 11:17 in the documentary is a map which shows 6 locations around the globe that have particularly powerful and active oceanic whirlpools. Some of these whirlpools out in the open ocean can be 10 to 12 km wide and can only be seen by satellite!

One of the areas where maelstroms are very active is the Vancouver area. The part of the documentary that is relevant to that area begins at 16:36 and ends at 31:17. Apparently areas where long, relatively thin islands lie close to shore and the tide is squeezed in between them will likely be areas that can create maelstroms. In the Vancouver area there is the added effect of the fresh water mixing with salt water which creates layers and pockets of dense and less dense water which if forced to mix with each other will also create whirlpools. Not to mention this is a geologically active area. I remember reading recently that there have been a whole series of anomolous earthquakes in the area. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

(perhaps this is why indigenous people of the area considered it sacred and/or special in some sense)

The link is to a YouTube video of Aron Rapids as the tide is coming in. Be prepared to mute the sound when the idiotic soundtrack starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCDB9CZ41Kc

Anyone familiar with The Aron Rapids?

At the end of the documentary it is suggested that the large oceanic whirlpools and upswellings probably have a significant role to play in governing the climate of the planet.

So I got to thinking....

What if climate change, global warming and rising ocean levels (see: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=18736 ) combined with increased seismic activity (caused by the strain on the crust of more ocean above it?) are increasing whirlpool formation and/or just making the waters in the area where the feet have been found more hazardous, thereby leading to more drowning deaths.

I would think the most hazardous craft to be in such waters would be a small boat like a kayak or a canoe. Locals that navigate those waters in such small craft would know when and where it is safe to do so. But tourists wearing sneakers would be largely oblivious to the dangers. It would not be easy to connect a foot to a missing person from Ontario.

I almost drown once trying to swim across a river wearing sneakers.

As I fell into the rythm of easy paddling
again, I realized that I could think of no
greater satisfaction than to kayak between these
delightful islands, especially in the morning
hours. And set my day according to the
movements of sea, wind and current. With
only a tug and its two barges and a lone fi shboat
in sight, I fi nally reached Porlier Pass, the
lively strait which separates Galiano and Valdez
Islands. And which kayakers are warned to
tackle only at slack tide. It’s either that or
contend with vicious maelstroms of rip-tides
that can pick speeds of up to10 knots.


link: Kayaking in Paradise
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Re: the hoaxer

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:26 pm

Sepka wrote:
Fat Lady Singing wrote:...weren't there a series of animal foot finds in the not-too-distant past? I want to say one turned out to be an orangutan foot? Maybe the feet were found in dumpsters? Does that ring any bells for anyone?


I don't recall that, but several years back, a small number of dead animals dressed in clothing were found in Pennsylvania: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... light=deer


Well, that's creepy and weird, too, but I don't think that's what I was half-remembering. Thanks for the link, though!

Quite a bit of googling finally got me here:

http://tinyurl.com/54rq3b

and here:

http://tinyurl.com/6nznzk

It's a mysterious foot found in Virginia; it was initially thought to be human, then police said it was an ape's foot; bears and Bigfoot are also mentioned as possible former foot bearers.
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Postby annie aronburg » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:57 pm

The National Post has a lovely map on the topic.
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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Postby streeb » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:20 pm


PostPosted: 24 Jun 2008 16:57 Post subject:
The National Post has a lovely map on the topic.


Isn't that darling? The Vancouver Sun saw fit to plaster a similar graphic across its front page about a week ago - six black sneakers, like kill-notches - and the Vancouver Province ran perhaps the most baffling headline of all on the same day, something like, "Sixth Foot Offers New Hope", referring to the unrecovered bodies from the small plane that went down.

Way to look the other fucking way, Province.

Concerning the discovery of the sixth foot, 24 Hours - one of the two free dailies currently littering our streets, buses, and skytrains - went with "Foot Loose, Again!" on the front page.

All three papers of course enjoyed an orgy of righteous indignation when it turned out to be a hoax, because that is somehow waaaay more offensive and insensitive than "Foot Loose, Again!"

We're proud of our media here in Vangroover. Very, very proud.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:31 am

TheStar.com posted the following piece.

B.C. floats endless foot theories

Natural disasters, serial killers, human traffickers? Speculation on the mystery behind five severed feet found along west coast covers range of possibilities

Jun 21, 2008 04:30 AM
Petti Fong
Western Canada Bureau Chief

Vancouver–Last August, a 12-year-old girl found a sneaker on the beach and, intrigued at her discovery, she sat down, untied the laces and out fell the remains of a human foot.

She was likely the last person in British Columbia to pick up a shoe along the shoreline without fearing what they would find.

Since then, four other feet have washed ashore. What was thought to be a sixth foot was found on the shores of Vancouver Island on Wednesday, but investigators quickly discovered it was a hoax, a skeletonized animal paw, packed with seaweed and stuffed inside a sock and a running shoe.

From perfectly innocent explanations to downright diabolical hypotheses, the mystery of the five human feet has sparked countless theories. Speculation ranges from natural disasters, such as the tsunami of 2004, to the work of drug dealers, serial killers and human traffickers.

One theory gaining the most credence is a plane crash off Quadra Island three years ago with five men aboard. Only one of the bodies, that of Kirsten Stevens' husband Dave, has been found.

"No one really thought about this much until these feet started washing up. It's hard to remember what someone was wearing on their feet 3 1/2 years ago, whether our guys were wearing runners or not," said Stevens. "We're fairly certain we know."

Just two weeks before the first foot was found on Jedidiah Island last August, Kevin Decock, the brother of two of the men who died in the crash, trolled the ocean floor looking for clues near Quadra Island, using a fishing camera and equipment he designed himself.

Stevens and Sally Feast, whose brother Arnie was the pilot on the float plane, believe that action was enough to stir up the events that led to the feet washing onto shores down the Strait of Georgia.

"Something happened to make these shoes appear," said Feast. "We don't know what yet and we're hoping that with one door closing, another one will open to tell us what we need to know."

Feast already knows that three of the five feet do not belong to her brother. She is still waiting for the DNA results for the other two feet.

But the plane crash theory, if true, only tells part of the story. Four of the men are still missing, but five feet have been discovered, leaving an extra foot to be accounted for.


Other theorists believe the coastline is being used as a body dump for organized crime activity; a third scenario is a serial killer is at work.

In the past few years, more than 20 men in the Vancouver area have gone missing. Their disappearances have never been accounted for despite pleas from families for information.

This week, the family of two of those men offered rewards, pleading for information on the whereabouts of Gregory Cyr, 40, who vanished in October 2003, and Ron Carlow, 37, who disappeared in June 2007. This year alone, four men ranging in age from 19 to 32 have vanished.

Rob Gordon, head of the criminology department at Simon Fraser University, said it's reasonable to suggest that the missing men may be victims of a serial killer.

That possibility and the organized crime scenario are stronger than the theory about human trafficking, according to Gordon.

"There is every indication that the body parts have been in the water a long time and the feet disengaged from the rest of the cadaver and floated to the surface by virtue of the runners acting like life jackets," said Gordon.

However, human trafficking usually happens along Southeast Asia and China and it's unlikely the feet travelled such a great distance.

That discounts the theory that the severed feet belonged to bodies swept into the ocean by the 2004 tsunami.

Eric Kunze, who conducts research into ocean physics at the University of Victoria, said it would be impossible for the feet to have travelled from Asia to the coast of British Columbia.

"If feet were coming through from there, we would have thousands of feet coming onto the shores of B.C.," he said. "From an oceanographic standpoint, all we can really say at this point is they originated somewhere from the Strait of Georgia."

Dean Hildebrand, a forensic scientist at British Columbia Institute of Technology, who is working with the B.C. Coroners Service, said while the answers may not available yet, progress is being made.

"Forensic science takes time, especially when you're making linkages," he said. "While it's certainly unique to be finding so many feet in a row, it's not that unusual to find bones and human remains washed up on shores."

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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:43 am

Following up on the theory that the gulf islands area has become much more hazardous as a result of global warming...

As is demonstrated in the Equinox video, maelstroms can suck objects all the way to the bottom of a body of water.

Perhaps more drowning deaths could account for some of the 20 missing Vancouver area men over the last few years.

I am assuming the local economy of the Vancouver area relies fairly heavily on tourism dollars. It stands to reason that if global warming is making the waters of the region more hazardous that the local media at least will not be running any stories revealing that fact.
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Postby Fat Lady Singing » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:26 am

brainpanhandler wrote:Following up on the theory that the gulf islands area has become much more hazardous as a result of global warming...
(snip) ...It stands to reason that if global warming is making the waters of the region more hazardous that the local media at least will not be running any stories revealing that fact.


Hi BPH, all: I think this is a really strong theory, but it's not terribly obvious, so that may account for the fact that the local media not picking up on it.

I think most people associate "global warming" with, y'know, *warming.* That is, understand it as a rise in temperature. So when, for instance, here in Columbus, we have a record-breaking blizzard, they see it as evidence that global warming is BS.

It takes a greater knowledge of meteorology, geography, and environmental science to understand the impact global warming has beyond an overall rise in temperature. I don't mean that it takes an expert knowledge, because I am surely no expert in any of these areas--just more than most people have. If they were to do a little deeper reading than the headlines, they'd see that global warming also has the effect of destabilizing weather patterns. (Not that most folks have time to do more than scan headlines or catch a few moments of television news).

Still, even a little more knowledge of the subject wouldn't necessarily lead one to come to your subtle conclusions about the declining safety of the waters. I think it's a brilliant theory. I bet, though, that most reporters don't have the background to come to the same conclusions, so I doubt that there's any active clamping down on these facts for the sake of keeping tourism dollars in the area. I could be wrong, though, of course! It wouldn't be the first time such a thing happened, sadly.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:43 pm

I think it's a brilliant theory.


:oops: Thanks FLS. Sometimes the silence is deafening and I don't know if I have just made a total ass of myself or not.


I suppose the theory has to be fleshed out a bit more in order to try to fit it to the known facts. Among the known facts are that all of these feet were in the water for a lengthy period of time. I think this has been asserted based on the state of the feet. No one knows just how long, but since there has been no definitive answer on whether the feet were severed or not I think people are going on the assumption that the feet had to have been in the water long enough that they could detach from the respective bodies and float to the surface and hence wash ashore.

So how could local drowning deaths not result in whole bodies washing ashore rather than just feet? This is where the theory gets dicey and doesn't seem to fit too well. I don't have a good answer for that one. Maybe the drowning deaths are local enough to the Vancouver area that the feet get washed into the gulf islands but not so local that the bodies survive the predations of the ocean?
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Postby nomo » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:25 am

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:34 am

Thank you, nomo. At last somebody else takes on the responsibility of making jokes about Canadian accents.
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Postby MinM » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:12 pm

At least 2 of the feet, belonged to the same man ~ RCMP Image
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:20 pm

A rather strange headline from a couple of days ago:

Severed foot found in Sweden, 'too early' to say about links to B.C. finds

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/0 ... ml?ref=rss
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:55 pm

MinM wrote:At least 2 of the feet, belonged to the same man ~ RCMP Image



It wasn't this guy, was it?

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