RIP Sydney Pollack

[Jeff]

You know, it's funny how things never turn out the way you had 'em planned.
The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter.....

[MacCruiskeen]

Wake up people, everybody who visits this site is a "conspiracy nut" who loves drama and intrigue and are probably pissed off with various forms of ruling elite.

Which reminds me: I'm fed up with the "here we are now, entertain us" aspect of this fucked-up subculture and want no part of it.

Carry on.

Jeff, if I can say this without sounding like a sycophant (under the circumstances): that's the most important comment in this whole thread. Hear, hear.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Very interesting interview with Sidney Pollack about the film. From the year 1976.
.....
The little essay by Patrick McGilligan that precedes it makes some interesting points about the limitations of Pollack's (strong) liberal critique. (In 1976, SP still thinks the CIA is necessary and reformable.) One reason McGilligan's criticims are interesting: they don't involve HMW's ridiculous claim that Pollack is a CIA shill and a sinister "keyword-hijacker".

http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlines ... ligan.html

Look again. McGilligan trashes the recent (mid-70s) CIA movies as whitewashes that leave out EXACTLY what I said, Operation Condor.

He writes-
"Heaven forbid that Allende should be mentioned."
EXACTLY. Because that would actually be...Operation Condor!

And Sydney Pollack denies any CIA involvement in making 'Condor' and then in the same breath admits that Richard Helms was on the fekkin' set!

And Pollack also touts our 'press freedom' when this is a myth.

McGilligan-

Three major pictures about the CIA—each unhesitatingly using the CIA as an identifiable villain—have been released by U.S. studios, each bolstered by a top male box-office star. But they are vastly disappointing films—evasive, exploitative and politically vacuous. Two of them—Sam Peckinpah’s THE KILLER ELITE and Sydney Pollack’s THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR—are completely concerned with an internecine warfare. James Caan battles renegade Robert Duvall in one film; Robert Redford is pitted against a mysterious Mideast cabal in another. It is as if the plots deny or diminish the thought of international consequences from CIA actions. [b](Heaven forbid that Allende should be mentioned.) [/b]

In 1976 McGilligan would not know how widespread was Operation Condor in Central and South America with even old Nazis like Klaus Barbie, a US asset, riding high in the death squad saddle.

Oh, this is a wonderful comment from Pollack who alternates disingenuiously in the interview between "its just entertainement so don't analyze it" and "now that all this CIA stuff is out we know things will be better." These are the words of a propagandist-

M: Did you have any contact with the CIA while you were making THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR?

P: There wasn't, really. We would have welcomed it, but we knew better than to try to pursue it actively in any way. What we did was to invite Mr. (Richard) Helms to come and watch the shooting for a day, which he did. I think he enjoyed himself very much.

"There wasn't really." OMFG. Yeah, just entertainment. Sure.
Notice how Pollack downplays this flat out lie first.
Yes, that's the same Richard Helms convicted of perjury for lying to Congress about CIA activities.

But then Pollack moves on to the very message that Richard Helms wants to convey even though Pollack repeats criticisms of CIA that were necessary at the time to have any creds at all-

I don't know how much pressure is being brought to bear right now, on these newspapers, by CIA people. It can't be good for the CIA—there’s a bad part to all this, too—because the CIA, I'm sure, is partially paralyzed at this moment because of the public attention on them. And that’s not good for this country either.

Pollack says the same thing as the movie - "some bad apples but we need the CIA barrel." Henry Kissinger commented to Colby after he'd dumped the 'Family Jewels' that at the time he (Kissinger) disapproved but later he realized that this was exactly the right way to play the situation, the illusion of coming clean and a system that works.

That's forestalling and limited hang-out, a counterpropaganda strategy.

Re the psychology of 'issue' movies:
There's a narcoleptic effect to having some problems dumped into a movie, the illusion that since they are shown then the problems are part way to being solved.

Robert Redford was used for just this effect with prison conditions in 'Brubaker' which was made right after some horrific prison condition riots. Redford plays a reform warden who pretends to be a prisoner, sees the problems, and then resumes his position to clean them all up. Ta da! Celluloid catharsis accomplished.

This is still just one Pollack movie out of the seven I redlined. Lots to go.

[Byrne]

Victor Ziegler:



"I know what happened last night.... If I told you their names, I don't think you'd sleep so well."

Are the roles of Pollack/Ziegler the subject of another Kubrick caper?

[IanEye]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Colombo

[medicis]

I knew Allison Krause. She was a resident in a dorm where I worked. John 'the Greek' Krikos and I would wander about stoned, fixing drains, venetian blinds and such. We worked for 'Housing Maintenance' at KSU. I was obtaining my BA's in philosophy and psychology. Scholarships only went so far. I was on the 'grassy knoll' with my first wife when the National Guard came charging up. AK was a long way off.... walking to class. Recordings of the order to 'fire' (which was heard by those there that day) have since surfaced. She was a beautiful girl. She died because power cannot tolerate dissent. The shooting was not accidental. The fact that she was hit... was.

I don't think it is thread hijacking to analyze a person's work within the KWH paradigm. There appears to be sufficient evidence of KWH to include it when analyzing the work and effects of media and the public expression of other 'persons of influence'. Makes sense, often enough. Often enough to be one of the tools kept in the armamentarium. No subject is above examination. Sometimes the argument will be convincing. Sometimes not. People can respond or not.. as they wish... on a thread. Some who do, appear only petulant - and even if the owner, deserve chastisement. Others appear to shed crocodile tears... reflected in the depths of their vilification. Which is too often repeated.

[chlamor]

Hopefully everyone will watch this.

It's quite relevant and only 4 minutes long and truly great film making:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eLF3nSEQIlU&feature=related

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I knew Allison Krause. She was a resident in a dorm where I worked. John 'the Greek' Krikos and I would wander about stoned, fixing drains, venetian blinds and such. We worked for 'Housing Maintenance' at KSU. I was obtaining my BA's in philosophy and psychology. Scholarships only went so far. I was on the 'grassy knoll' with my first wife when the National Guard came charging up. AK was a long way off.... walking to class. Recordings of the order to 'fire' (which was heard by those there that day) have since surfaced. She was a beautiful girl. She died because power cannot tolerate dissent. The shooting was not accidental. The fact that she was hit... was.

Wow. Thanks for adding this personal history to the thread, medicis.
And your other comments, too.

I'm glad I checked my notes from watching Pollack's 'The Firm' to add this theme and name-hijacking.

Timing. 1990 was, of course, the 20th anniversary of the Kent State shootings (5/4/70) which left 4 dead and 9 wounded and there was some mainstream media notice of this ugly history. CIA-Paramount was buying into Grisham's novel in 1990 before it was published.

The first of the civil suits resulting was initiated by Arthur Krause, Allison Krause's father, who filed charges against 43 defendents including the Governor of Ohio.

One of the best books on the Kent State crime and cover-up was published in 1990, William A. Gordon's hardcover 'The Fourth of May: Killings and Coverups at Kent State.' I have the paperback version published in 1995 with the different title of 'Four Dead in Ohio: Was There a Conspiracy at Kent State?'

So-
Did Grisham write it into 'The Firm' or did Hollywood?
Either way...someone is guilty of hijacking USG history and making it into decoy psy-ops.

[MacCruiskeen]

Alice.
Allison.

Two different names.

Kraus.
Krause.

Two different names.

Kraus is a very common German name, by the way:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraus

As is Krause (the 29th-most-common name in Germany, according to Wiki):

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krause

Check out those lists to see just how many distinguished people have those extremely common names.

To sum up:

1. The fictional character "Alice Kraus" clearly has precisely nothing to do with the real, deceased person Allison Krause.

2. HMW has done precisely nothing to demonstrate that this is a case of "name hijacking" [sic], much less demonstrate how this "name-hijacking" caper might actually work.

It's like imagining that a movie character called "Marie Smythe" is a "name hijacking" of the real, deceased person Mary Smith. It is completely wacky free-association. It is, literally, insane. It's like being on an unproductively manic "roll" and imagining that the newspaper headlines are addressed to you personally. It is a terrible waste of human spirit and energy.

[justdrew]

To sum up: 1. The fictional character "Alice Kraus" clearly has precisely nothing to do with the real, deceased person Allison Krause.

Nothing? Don't you think an author could choose to use an evocative name as a device? The mind automatically sees associational links based on similarity. It's a hard wired feature of the human mind. Even if those associations don't rise to consciousness they still have influence. Not a decisive influence necessarily and some won't make the connection consciously or sub-consciously, but enough can for it to be a viable technique in story telling, advertising, public relations... maybe psychological warfare too?

Would the anti-KWH contingent make the case that elements of power in the US are NOT conducting some campaign of psychological warfare, in some form or other, against the American people? Or, is there probably such a campaign, or at least highly suggestive evidence of one?

===
I bet he took all that he could take
Sometimes I wish that I could stop you from talking
When I hear the silly things that you say
I think somebody better put out the big light
'Cause I can't stand to see you this way

[MacCruiskeen]

How would this caper work, justdrew? Precisely how would the mere existence of a made-up character called "Alice Kraus" affect our attitude to the real Allison Krause? Precisely how would this alleged "name hijacking" disable us politically?

Explain the mechanism.

[Jeff]

To sum up:

1. The fictional character "Alice Kraus" clearly has precisely nothing to do with the real, deceased person Allison Krause.

2. HMW has done precisely nothing to demonstrate that this is a case of "name hijacking" [sic], much less demonstrate how this "name-hijacking" caper might actually work.

Agreed. Yet even if Grisham/Pollack chose the name to evoke an association, it was a sympathetic association, and a recalling to mind of a moment in history. Has Kent State been erased from memory by "The Firm"? Have people forgotten Allison Krause because of the fictional "Alice Kraus"? If no, then nothing has been "hijacked" except another thread.

I think artists should slap HMW with a restraining order.

[orz]

Would the anti-KWH contingent

There is no such group. There are just a few people on this board who independently fail to be convinced by the specifics of Hugh's very logically shaky arguments.

Can't speak for others but I for one would never for a moment claim that the forces of Control do not desire, and often achieve, the insertion of propaganda and 'psyops' into mainstream culture. I simply dispute Hugh's factually and logically incorrect ideas about how and why this is done. When he comes up with an example of "keyword hijacking" that I find feasible and convincing I will believe in it and agree with it, but this hasn't really happened yet. Even his posts I initially agree with usually lose me somewhere down the line, as good research and insight inevitably drifts into tenuous and paranoic word games.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

I've been keeping my nose from out of this discussion because I think that I don't have the stomach for it right now, but at the risk of hijacking this thread even further, I'd like to see if Hugh is up for a challenge.

Hugh, do you see any evidence of KWH associated with the name "Robau" and correlated in any way to any one particular person/place/thing associated with the Middle East, and/or that it should have any impact in what you perceive as KWH in the timeframe of one year from now?

I'd like to put Hugh's theories to the test by looking forward in time instead of looking into the past. I'll give my background as to why I'm presenting this name and timeframe after I listen to Hugh's response, if he so chooses to take up my challenge.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

How would this caper work, justdrew? Precisely how would the mere existence of a made-up character called "Alice Kraus" affect our attitude to the real Allison Krause? How would this alleged "name hijacking" disable us politically?

Explain the mechanism.

Did you miss that this isn't just a mere name? I guess so.
There is much more context than just the name and I wrote it all out.
How did you miss it?

All the elements of inoculation theory and interference theory used as counterpropaganda are here. That's why I write about that mnemonic science, to show how these many subtle clues all have the same theme. You could look those things up instead of expecting me to explain it over and over. I've pointed at this repeatedly.

If you don't know this stuff (JEFF!), you ain't gonna get how this psy-ops works.

A simplification-
The goal is to interfere with your recognition and recollection of a scandal by pre-biasing your brain with a fictional story that has just enough elements of the real scandal (just like a vaccine) to trick your brain into thinking it already knows about the scandal but instead the government was innocent and the whistleblowers were liars instead of the other way around.

There are even techniques of interference theory that interfere with your recollection of things you heard of before the decoy narrative/movie, not after.

This inoculation theory works amazingly well on aliterates - children and adults who get most of their vocabulary and attitudes from TV and movies, not reading books or this website. Huge proportions of the American population are ignorant, misinformed, and disinformed. This is partly how they got that way.

So.
Remember, the central subject of framing in the movie 'The Firm' is the FBI's murder of Martin Luther King during the Vietnam War. But the framing is done in a different context (propaganda science calls this "displacement") with little similarity cues (the 60s and assassinations) to evoke just enough of the target hostile information (as the Pentagon calls it) to achieve INOCULATION (as William McGuire discovered in 1961).

The primary framing of the movie is about the murder of Martin Luther King and the meme-reversal of making the FBI the good guys and lawyers the bad guys allied with the mob when in real life it was the opposite.

So little secondary triggers are sprinkled around the movie to evoke "1960s/Vietnam War" and "assassinations" and MLK but not too obviously because the framing function is meant to remain subliminal.

These primary thematic triggers for "Martin Luther King" are-
>Memphis, where MLK was killed by the FBI/mob/MPD
>brother named "Ray" in jail, like the patsy named James Earl Ray
>sex tape blackmail
>surveillance of idealistic lawyer played by Cruise, Army Intelligence monitored MLK
>an assassin is called "The Albino," James Earl Ray was framed as a racist murderer
>bad guys chasing Cruise say "Use the Memphis PD if you have to," MPD was in on murdering MLK
>...probably more but it's really really late now....

These secondary thematic triggers for "1960s/Vietnam War USG murders" are-
>the female lead, Tom Cruise's wife, who is the spitting image of Jackie-O, Mrs. JFK
>the word "Ambassador" on a bridge as first camera shot of Memphis, like like the site of the CIA's murder of RFK, the Ambassador Hotel in LA.
>four suspiciously dead lawyers with one named "Alice Kraus," the Kent State mirror of four dead in Ohio with one named Allison Krause.

Kent State-
Besides this name being one of "four deaths," there are those other thematic triggers for "1960s/Vietnam War" and "murders" which are all collectively self-reinforcing.

Did you miss that in the movie "Alice Kraus" is the name of one of four suspicious deaths at the hands of the evil movie lawyers plus all the other mirrors of the FBI murder of MLK?

Get it now? "Four deaths" + "Alice Kraus" is a very strong mirror of what is known as Kent State which was the USG killing civilians over the Vietnam War, just like MLK.

This is even a famous Vietnam-era protest single song by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young just at their peak popularity with their best-selling 'Deja Vu' album.

The song's called 'Ohio' and mentions the only "her" killed, meaning Allison Krause. (Hence the name of the book.)
'Tin Soldier and Nixon's coming'..."...four dead in O-hio..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_(CSNY_song)

Crikey, I don't know how to spell it out any clearer.
Hey-how old are you? Are you in the US?
This is American baby-boomer generation 1960s iconic pop history. Not obscure at all.

If you are old enough, this could trigger the subliminal theme of the Vietnam War era using one of THE most iconic photos of that era which I posted above.

If you aren't old enough, this could pre-bias your brain to think that "four dead" + "Allison Krause" is just a movie, not real USG history of murdering anti-war civilians...like MLK.

There is a cumulative effect to all these subtle and not-so-subtle mnemonic triggers, a sum greater than the parts.
>That's how the psy-ops can be embedded with plausible deniability, by using lots of subtle stuff BUT they can be identified and then there are way too many of them matching counterpropaganda themes to be coincidence.
>And if they are not coincidence, then they are intentional.
>And if they are intentional, they are covert psy-ops.



Four Dead in Ohio
-by Neil Young

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are cutting us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are cutting us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.
Four dead in Ohio.