Aliens, Culture Control & the End of Dream's End

[sunny]

I tend to think DE was fair-gamed.

[Wonderflonium]

...there is some dude [speculative] standing in my driveway. about say, 40 yrds away, near the street. in a robe and cloak. with a strange mask on. looks like an elephant....

I have reason to believe your neighborhood may have been infiltrated by Furries.


Try blasting Rick Astley music from the house the next time they make an appearance.

[FreeLancer]

John Wayne was killing Indians long before the Cold war. Not saying he wasn't part of a Pentagon program in the 50s, he may well have been, just saying that every movie/play/commercial/book/record/UFO sighting etc etc is not run by the CIA. You give the CIA waaay too much credit.

[FreeLancer]

"If one can't figure out that the media is essentially bullshit just by watching it, no amount of "informing" is going to do much good."

God that's beautiful. Exactly-- who needs mind control when you have Entertainment Tonight?

[FreeLancer]

Here's my question: Why do they need a cover story for mind control? Apparently they're not very good at controlling minds if they need to implant a cover story.

And why aliens? Wouldn't it be much more useful to have people abducted by the Easter bunny? Think how freaked out the populace would be if perfectly respectable people (local librarian, teachers etc) started reporting Easter bunny abduction stories. Or a gang of bunnies in S&M gear. People would be shitting themselves, setting out traps with carrots etc.

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^With thinking like that, I'm amazed you haven't answered your own questions yet.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Hey Freelancer that what they are doing to OP ED.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Quote:
1. The alien abduction phenomenon was a cover for the MC programs and suggests that they have persisted


by this theory it would also suggest that MC cults have been faking "abductions" for millenia and also the associated high weirdness. as such it is an unlikely scenario IMO.

did the CIA contact Joseph Smith or Saul/Paul?

There is a lot more depth to this question than meets the eye methinks.


And I think it might be worth having a look at alien abduction as a cover for MC, as yet another cover for something else. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, more that its only part of the story.

[compared2what?]

That was an interesting read, compared, but I am puzzled by the part #2, outline by you below:

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one common-to-near-universal aspect of gaslighting (and/or other, comparable psy-op fear-inducing techniques) that matters for the purposes of self-defense.** And that's that they almost always create an open question that's exceptionally arousing to contemplate. As a matter of fact, there's often, although not always, a part of the puzzle that has literal or symbolical associations with some form of culturally and socially repressed sexual arousal -- ie, sexualized children, or a hot chick it would be necrophiliac to think about fucking, or the money shot of some big phallic buildings having an explosive orgasm.

Why is this association mandatory or commonly used, and what is the function of it? In your opinion. And where do you get this background? Just for my own curiosity...

I was speaking from observation and/or experience throughout.

The part about giving as little thought as possible to obliquely menacing message-sending is derived from my own experiences as a reporter, back when I used to be one. And that's probably a context that makes it a little easier to grasp that you are actually in no danger at all of getting forcibly mind-fucked by a third-party who's using those methods --- because, fortuitously enough, if you don't let them into your mind, it's automatically "game over"-- than it is if you don't have as convenient a way of pretending (at least publicly) that it's all just business as usual. Even so, I wouldn't say that it was ever easy to grasp or to retain that simple and axiomatic truth. Because it's very fucking frightening to receive obliquely menacing messages when you're already spending every day listening to insane criminals with extensive expertise in the mind-fuckery industry and/or their representatives tell you directly to get lost if you know what's good for you. Albeit not in those precise words.

But happily, since it is in fact a simple and axiomatic truth, if you can reliably grasp about fifty percent of it most of the time, then your mind won't eat itself, in my experience. And if I can manage that, then I'd say most people probably can. Because I have pretty close to as few personal resources to draw on wrt emotional self-protection as it's possible for someone who survived to adulthood to have. Also, I've known and worked with reporters who really were implacable in the face of much more heavy-duty hijinks than anything I ever dealt with who used that approach. And one in particular, whose war stories I really wish I could tell, because they're fucking intense. But he was so hardcore about simply going about his business while not deigning to notice that his house burned down once a week (hyperbole, but not by that much) he hardly ever told them himself, as a matter of principle. And...I'm not sure whether to count this as observation or experience, but when I was focused on cults, I was much more rigorous about making sure that my ex-member sources maintained a clear-eyed view of what was and was not really a threat when fucked with than I was with myself. So I know through them what works for them. And they're really the ultimate authorities on the subject, imo.

That there's almost always a physically invasive component, however slight and that I, at least, have never seen or known a randomly targeted individual, just individuals who knew exactly why and by whom they'd been targeted are both things I know from observation, and experience, and pretty comprehensive research. However, I am but one woman and I didn't, like, spend years doing work that brought me into contact with professional intimidators. It happened a few times and I was diligent about gaining as deliberative and thorough an understanding of it as I could be when it did because I was enough of a fool to think those were real and not notional professional standards. As well as both frightened and interested enough that I never stopped following the state-of-play in the areas I know well, as I do unto this very day. Nevertheless, it would be fair to say that my experience is limited enough for the "almost" in "almost always" to be an important qualifier wherever it occurs.

The appercu you asked about specifically is purely my observation, and is not distinguished by anything other than my powers of observation, such as they are. "Mandatory" goes further than I intended. It's common, but I don't know that it's necessarily any more or less common than it is with many commodities that are aimed at a wide audience. Repressed sex sells.

[compared2what?]

OP ED -- Do you have any guesses about who might want to fuck with you, if you are being fucked with? And if you do, does the person or entity involved have a history of comparable actions from which you can deduce what they'd typically view as a successful outcome, or whether they typically progress from violent or menacing gestures to more consequentially violent acts, and so forth? By which I mean, is there a potentially discoverable M.O?

[compared2what?]

I tend to think DE was fair-gamed.

Never say never, but it would be a huge departure from form and policy if he was. Yet I regard your intuition way highly enough to ask: Really? Why so?

FWIW, which is almost nothing, I was a lurker at the very beginning of that trajectory and I was so disturbed by what looked to me like such an extreme manic episode that if I'd had any way of reality-testing that impression and it checked out, I would have rated it as: Ethical obligation to hospitalize. And I felt enough anxiety about it that I kept trying to come up with some way to get in touch with someone that would be effective in helping him, while somehow getting me past the obstacles of being a complete stranger to him and to everyone here, as well as that of having no way of being one hundred percent sure that he even existed.

I'm talking about the very, very beginning. Like maybe the first two or three posts. I wasn't a regular enough lurker to see the whole thing unfold in real time. And my memory isn't super-distinct on this, but: As I remember it, I was alarmed enough by the first ARG post that I spent a few days periodically checking back just to make extra-sure that owing to there being inherently absolutely nothing I could do there was still absolutely nothing I could do.

But I didn't have a very profound or detailed understanding of the habits or characteristic modes of anyone here at the time. So I could easily, easily have misread the indicators.

[OP ED]

OP ED -- Do you have any guesses about who might want to fuck with you, if you are being fucked with? And if you do, does the person or entity involved have a history of comparable actions from which you can deduce what they'd typically view as a successful outcome, or whether they typically progress from violent or menacing gestures to more consequentially violent acts, and so forth? By which I mean, is there a potentially discoverable M.O?

hm. attempt to dissect in order.

i have guesses. firstly though, there is always an admittedly strong possibility that it is mere coincidence. even with having experienced other minor vandalisms recently. there is more than an average amount of crime in my neighborhood. i've also seen more than a bit of strange people doing creepy things before, so they could be unrelated incidents both towards each other and in their relationship to me, which may not be personal as i've received no hints as to exactly whom or why.
[leave a note creepy people and i'll get back to you]

it could even have been entirely a nice thing, really. i DID wake up feeling much better after having felt horrible for the last several days. maybe i was healed by a sneaky jesus.

if it was someone who was really fucking with me, i'd imagine it hasn't ended yet. i will probably be forced to wait to even be able to deduce whether there is any sort of threat or if it is merely another bizarre morning. [maybe i just stumbled from my dream into someone else's acid trip or something] the most likely guesses range a bit. i don't really know enough yet, and may never. if it was just someone odd i know doing something odd, then perhaps someone else will explain it to me in a few days. i'll be at parties for various cabals and whatnots through the weekend so i'll run into lots of odd friends of mine. some of them may even have heard something if it was less then benevolent. which is to say that one way or another, if particularly weird looking creepiness has found me again then it is likely former and/or current society friends/enemies of whom there are very many. unfortunately for me, when i was a being of much inferior discretion, i often aided some of these folks in perfecting their methods of quasi-legal harrassment. this aid has indirectly filtered to others not of my choosing due to my indiscretions.
[why i stopped cult hopping and doing non-mainstream ARG, too many sharks, but my interest in the topic is ongoing as evidenced by my participation in these threads]

further, an exception to your experiences you've described that i've encountered before, one maybe absent from your history because of lack of cabal participation: if they are scary people, and what they're doing is occult, frightening me a few times might be their only goal.
[not all creepy people are rational in the common sense of the word, some occultists even attempt to scare themselves on purpose]

which is a long way of saying that yes, i do have some guesses, some will become more obviously likely than others, as time passes, one way or the other. i am not interested in naming them here, even though i've discussed my semi-ongoing feuds with some of them here before.
there are several reasons to avoid mentioning them by name.

And if you do, does the person or entity involved have a history of comparable actions from which you can deduce what they'd typically view as a successful outcome, or whether they typically progress from violent or menacing gestures to more consequentially violent acts, and so forth?

comparable? perhaps. like i said it seems remniscent of things i'd do myself. in fact, the appearance of the masked person would have a specific significance to members of --some of-- my circles that are not readily apparent to the public at large.
[it would look funny to most people, and would be double-funny to me in some circumstances --like a wedding-- and not at all in others --like a funeral-- in the spirit of witholding evidence i am not going to elaborate on my meanings here]

the dangerouser sort: if it was a little one whose toes i stepped on, then stalking me is as bad as it'll get. [because they know me]
if it was one of the crazier bastards it is hard to say. it would depend on how much of their thought cycle i currently occupy as they tend to be rather monomaniacal. i've seen actual violence ensue before and it is always possible it could happen again. if this were the case, i can at least likely say that it would probably become more obvious harrassment [with more obvious suspects, etc] before it was escalated to outright violence of any sort. that is the pattern i've observed before.

By which I mean, is there a potentially discoverable M.O.?

as i said to extent, above, if there is a continuing pattern i should assume that there will be. there may be already. i haven't given it my full attention yet. if they want it, they'll have to try harder.

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if this is unclear i apologize. there are pieces of this i'm not really interested in discussing publicly. i owe you a PM or so anyway, so perhaps i can fill in some of the extra nonsense off the record if you're interested.

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re: my dream. if i was prone to considering such things coincidental, as i am on occassion when it'd be more comfortable to do so, i would rationalize its contents as follows in brief:

IHOP is because it was one of my last thoughts during the active part of my day. Joe mentioned it in the 911/accused-iraqi-agent thread yesterday or the day before.
i was thinking recently about the protestors at the clinic after a conversation about "old ladies" and my occassional preferred treatment towards them in the chat the other nite, as i'd met one of my favorites during a demonstration [she was a target] at this clinic.
also recently i'd been re-reading my translation of the Panchatantra, which i'd dug out of its box due to Perelandras posting of images from [sort of] the Decameron in an unrelated thread. Panchatantra is filled with anthropomorphic animals.
[ask wiki why the Decam made me think of the Pancha because that'd be too off-topic even for me]

dream solved.

except for the guy with the mexican accent.

edit: although, come to think on reflection, the nite before last i'd called off a bar trip [on account of illness] where i was supposed to meet a legendary friend of a friend everyone calls "Taco George" for some reason.
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sorry, number 28, for more dethreading off-topicness.

[Akira was number 28. any relation or just coincidence? joe and/or sonicgg indirectly made me think of that earlier tonite and i was gonna ask sometime]

i hope that about wraps it up for my episode, both in teh innertubes and in thee RL.

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LIL. (93/93)

[compared2what?]

Okay. Good. I think. Is "Good" a response that's congruent with what you write? Please let me know if it isn't.

Honey, no creepy people (by which I mean "people who do high-level psy-op hit jobs") are rational. They're completely out of their fucking minds, which in my view is another excellent reason not to waste your time combing through the minute details of their incomprehensible and bizarre actions.

Despite which, some creepy people are very predictable, within certain parameters. But that's less because they're rational than because they've been heavily conditioned by a tightly controlled organization to think and act in accordance with authorized totalitarian standards. Still, it can be useful to know.

[Trifecta]

Cloak and Elephant head, sounds like Elephant Man ... more ARG shit?

[Penguin]

i don't have nearly as many cameras as i do firearms, but it is something i will consider, in the event something similar happens again. normally i have a cameraphone actually, but it was early enough that it was still on the charger instead of in my pocket.

That sounds good...

I often have my camera so I can shoot if I see stuff like security guard brutality or something else interesting..

As to mistaking dreams or hallucinations for a real cloaked figure...
Maybe its possible, but I have never experienced such illusions - even pretty freaked out I usually have a strong sense of the unreality of such. Of course its just my perceptions...But I do know other peoples trips might cause one altered perceptions or visions too - Ive inadvertently done that to other humans and animals a couple times..

Seems you know some people Id rather not know

Hope its nothing.