Horrorcore rapper faces murder charges.

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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:27 pm

nathan28 wrote:Has any nat'l or local news outlet established why a Cali juggalo was out in a town with less than a hundred thousand people out on the East Coast's foothills?


Associated Press:

    'Horrorcore' rap drew together suspect, victims

    When the tow-truck driver had finished pulling the car out of the ditch and onto a wrecker, he offered the 20-year-old driver a ride.

    As the two men made small talk, the truck driver was almost overwhelmed by an odor, a stench he later concluded was that of rotting flesh. "He stunk like the devil," he says.

    That young man, an aspiring rapper who wrote macabre lyrics about the thrill of killing people, is now suspected in the slayings of four people whose bludgeoned bodies were found in a home in this quiet Virginia town.

    Richard "Sammy" McCroskey III told deputies who responded to the desolate stretch of Poor House Road early Friday that the car belonged to his girlfriend's father. Police say he appeared to be turning around when he backed into the ditch. The car wasn't damaged, but because McCroskey had no license, the car had to be impounded.

    The truck driver, 52-year-old Elton Napier, asked the youth where he was from. He said he was visiting from California to see his girlfriend.

    Napier could see what appeared to be red hickeys or "love bites" all over his passenger's neck. He couldn't resist asking.

    "My girlfriend did that," McCroskey replied.

    Napier chuckled. "She was about to eat you up, wasn't she?" he said.

    McCroskey just grinned.

    He did not tell Napier that he and 16-year-old Emma Niederbrock, a local Presbyterian minister's daughter, had found each other through their mutual love of "horrorcore" music, an obscure hip-hop genre obsessed with mutilation, murder and satanism.

    Throughout the conversation, Napier did his best to ignore the powerful stench emanating from the passenger seat. He had noticed it inside the Honda when winching it out of the ditch.

    Despite rolling down both windows, Napier heaved visibly twice.

    Napier dropped McCroskey at a local gas station, and that was the last he saw of him — until footage of the arrest appeared on television.

    ___

    On his MySpace page, McCroskey is hooded, his face obscured by a skull bandanna. He stands before a Gothic church in a lightning storm, a hatchet in his raised right hand. In a song posted on YouTube, the Castro Valley, Calif., man growls about the "evil voices inside my head."

    "They just want me to murder continuously.

    "They want me to take lives on a mass murder spree.

    "They love the smell of a body that's rotten and decayed.

    "That's what I think about when I'm stalking my prey."

    Fellow horrorcore artist Andres Shrim cautions against reading too much into such lyrics.

    Shrim, who goes by the stage name SickTanicK the Soulless, writes about killing Christians and dismembering people. While he acknowledges the genre's words and imagery can seem "brutal," he says the songs only reflect "the reality of the world we are living in."

    "If life imitated art," says Shrim, the owner of Albuquerque, N.M.-based Serial Killin Records, "there would be a lot of dead people in the world."

    On Friday, authorities found four bodies in a quaint Dutch Colonial home in this rural college town about 50 miles southwest of Richmond.

    Emma Niederbrock lived there with her mother, Debra Kelley, an associate professor of criminal justice and sociology at nearby Longwood University. On Tuesday, officials identified the victims as the 53-year-old Kelley, Emma, her 50-year-old father, Mark Niederbrock, and Emma's friend and fellow horrorcore fan Melanie Wells, 18, of Inwood, W.Va.

    McCroskey was arrested at the Richmond airport on Saturday and charged with murder in Mark Niederbrock's death. Police are still analyzing evidence and expect more charges.

    Farmville police Capt. Wade Stimpson says authorities are looking into McCroskey's "disturbing" songs. But it's clear horrorcore had arrived in Farmville long before McCroskey came to town.

    ___

    Shrim says he met Emma and Melanie at a horrorcore festival a couple of years ago in Chicago. Emma's mother brought them.

    Little information has surfaced about Emma. She was home-schooled. And unlike McCroskey's MySpace page, her site is marked private, except for photos of a pretty girl with long, pink-colored hair.

    Wells and her family moved to West Virginia from Louisville, Ky., just before Wells was to enter high school. She dropped out but was studying for her high school equivalency diploma, says friend Marcella Kennedy.

    "Melanie had so much character and imagination," she says. "She sported the kind of optimism that didn't leave a sickly sweet taste in your mouth, if that makes any sense."

    But a darker Wells emerges from the pages of her MySpace page.

    On the site, she lists her religion as LaVeyan Satanism, in which there is no deity but one's self. She posted violent poems in which she details torturing and killing boyfriends who have been unfaithful, and photos show her cavorting in cemeteries and lying atop gravestones.

    Under interests, Wells listed, among other things, "cigarettes, alcohol, partying, sex, drugs, metal, SKR (Serial Killin Records), lust, restorative arts, blood and gore, open graves, dead people, animals."

    Her musical tastes ran from the Backstreet Boys and bubble-gum pop star Aaron Carter to Marilyn Manson and groups such as Bullet For My Valentine and Cradle of Filth. Her favorite movies include "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" but also "Pretty In Pink."

    It appears she and Emma got to know McCroskey online.

    McCroskey's sister, Sarah, says their dad, a rock guitarist, raised her and her brother on a steady diet of heavy metal bands like Insane Clown Posse, Metallica and Primus. A 5-foot-9, 200-pound kid who took bullying without fighting back, "Sammy" spent most of his time in his room, composing music on his computer, designing Web pages or playing video games such as Halo and World of Warcraft, his sister says.

    McCroskey had been into horrorcore since 1999, but decided several months ago that he wanted to "contribute to the genre."

    Thus, he wrote on MySpace, was born his horrorcore alter ego: Syko Sam.

    Sarah McCroskey says her brother met Emma about a year ago, at a concert near San Diego. They were on the phone so much after that, Sarah had to buy herself a cell phone.

    She says her brother was devastated when his father asked their mother to move out about five months ago. But he was excited for a planned trip to Virginia to see Emma. Clearly, Emma was eager, too.

    The "next time you check your myspace, YOULL BE AT MY HOUSE!" she posted Sept. 7, the day after he left California. "i love you sooo SO much baby; forever and for always."

    The group were all heading to Southgate, Mich., for the Sept. 12 Strictly for the Wicked festival. Among the acts slated to play were Mental Ward, SCUM and Dismembered Fetus.

    Shrim says Kelley — who studied violence against women — drove them. This time, he says, the father came along.

    Sarah McCroskey says her brother's friends told her that he and Emma had had some kind of falling out at the concert. If anything happened, Wells didn't let on.

    "SFTW was (expletive) amazing," she wrote on MySpace at 10:43 p.m. on Sept. 13. "back in Virginia now, be back in West Virginia on Wednesday. I MISS EVERYONE!!!"

    She never made it.

    On Thursday, McCroskey called home and left a message. He said he wanted to make sure everyone was OK.

    When he ended with "I love you, guys," his sister knew something wasn't right.

    "We weren't like lovey-dovey and stuff," she says, "like a 'Leave-It-to-Beaver' kind of family."

    That same day, Wells' family contacted authorities to say they had not heard from her.

    Sarah McCroskey acknowledges that people might listen to her brother's songs and watch his videos and think him capable of the slayings. But she insists he is not his music.

    Since the news broke, horrorcore fan sites have been awash in tributes to Emma and Melanie. The girls who reveled in satanic imagery have been eulogized as "fallen angels."

    When McCroskey was brought back to Farmville, a reporter for WRIC television heard him say, "Jesus told me to do it."

    But in one of his videos, he said his mistakes began elsewhere.

    "It's not my fault, those bad (expletive)-up choices," he rasped. "Don't blame me. You can blame all the voices."


One interesting aspect of this story is how these very young kids flew and drove all over the country to attend Horrorcore shows and festivals with their parents.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:33 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:Even if one doesn't lazily and thoughtlessly equate depiction / exploration / enactment / habitation (of sociopathy etc) with "glorification" there is still the difficult work of drawing the distinctions in cases where it is not clear at all that a work of art can be neatly tucked into so and so pigeonhole.


sounds like apologetics for bad art to me, bph.

if art cannot be pigeonholed into worse, bad, mediocre, good, or great, it probably is not art.



Great works of art rarely operate on just one level and if they have something to say about the nature of violence it is very often in a way that is subtle enough to leave room for the experiencer to draw their own conclusions, including that violence has been glorified.


again, i take issue with this vague defintion of "great".

great art is rarely subtle in the conventional sense. it compels decisions or it isn't great art.

this is my "opinion" of course, but not one i'm even slightly questionable about.

I mean it entirely depends on the ethics of the experiencer.


depends on what you mean. crazy people and dumb people, i suppose, may often find themselves unable to grasp easily demonstratable truth, but this is hardly a reflection on the quality of truth.

good art teaches ethics. Great art demonstrates ethics.

Is there ever "good" violence?


no.

If you can answer yes, then can you imagine a work of art which depicts this good violence without glorifying it?


inapplicable.

How about with glorifying it?


inapplicable.

The most common plot device perhaps in the history of cinema and television which frees the audience to revel in violence is vengence. It's a legit topic that's a lot older, maybe as old as written language, than cinema and televison that for those predisposed to self reflection forces one to wonder about their own violent tendencies, however latent and repressed or at least that is what it could be. It's been turned into a ridiculous caricature of a moral play that almost always serves the purpose of justifying tyranny.


you answered your own question: see bolds.
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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:47 pm

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Postby brainpanhandler » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:44 pm

OP ED,

Alright, this would be a good conversation to have, although it sounds to me like your pretty inflexible about your opinions, so maybe not. It's not that my only intent in a debate is to persuade the other to my way of thinking, but it's nice to think that maybe there is some chance of a give and take. I can always be swayed by a well reasoned argument, always. I'm a slave to reason.

While this conversation is a natural outgrowth of the Op, nonetheless, it would probably be better to take it to another thread. If you are really interested in having this conversation with me then feel free to start a new thread, maybe even in the Culture Studies forum. We're likely to go around in circles.
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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:04 pm

Feel free to have your conversation here if you'd like. I find it completely germane to the OP.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:27 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:OP ED,

Alright, this would be a good conversation to have, although it sounds to me like your pretty inflexible about your opinions, so maybe not. It's not that my only intent in a debate is to persuade the other to my way of thinking, but it's nice to think that maybe there is some chance of a give and take. I can always be swayed by a well reasoned argument, always. I'm a slave to reason.

While this conversation is a natural outgrowth of the Op, nonetheless, it would probably be better to take it to another thread. If you are really interested in having this conversation with me then feel free to start a new thread, maybe even in the Culture Studies forum. We're likely to go around in circles.


in this area, i'd admit to being utterly inflexible. my entire life philosophy is one of aesthetics, and i do not compromise on these things.

sorry to hear about your slavery, btw, i've always found the cult of mechanistic "reason" to be among the primary causes of the ills of our time.

my mind changes on many things, but my position wrt art as it applies to actual life is usually not one of those things. all of my other opinions, most more flexible, derive their ultimate authority from this stance.

i'm not really interested in arguing with anyone, per se, despite my "quote and reply" style often making it seem otherwise. i find its easier to gather my thoughts and address points raised when i approach it this way. no personal offense intended.

feel free to contradict my notions and i will reformulate them and we'll turn in circles if that is our fate. if you like. if not, do not.
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Postby Maddy » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:54 pm

"... I kinda got a weird vibe about him, you know what I mean? But then again, in this genre, all the fans are a little off anyways ... every once in a while you get one of them fans like, 'Wow, this guy shouldn't listen to this music ...'"

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"The lyrics obviously pushed the envelope really far, but you said that's what the genre's all about. But what happens when someone takes it seriously, and murders in the name of horrorcore, which apparently happened here?"

"Well, I mean, it's happened a bunch of times. And not only just horrorcore music, but in rock and roll, and everything. It can't just be horrorcore music. It happens to video games. But just because our genre is such an extreme genre of music; we talk about all the taboo subjects. We really push the envelope. We're really extreme with our lyrics. We try to shock you, that the biggest thing is shocking you. And when something like this happens, it gets more attention because like, 'Oh, he just said that because he was talking about murder in this song, or suicide in this song, or shooting up this and that in this song.'

And it just boils down again to it's entertainment, and these kids, you know, maybe something growing up wasn't just right and they take this form of entertainment and it becomes fantasy for them; as an outlet, you know what I mean? Instead of killing themselves they listen to a song about killing themselves, and it may get them through the day. You know what I mean? But in other cases you never know. I guess, apparently, he took it the other route."
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:23 pm

lightningBugout wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:Most people who can sit through Hostel or Saw are not 'practicing' murder & mayhem... But aren't they practicing liking it?


...I'd wager that the collective trauma in which we are daily inundated and now wholly ensconced is being mediated this way through films like Saw or Hostel or Base Moi or my older fav, Cannibal Holocaust. Not at all by associating torture with pleasure, rather managing one's given terror through identification with the killer.


Yes, but I'd add that practicing 'liking' horror makes it that little bit easier NOT to be outraged (to the point of rebellion) over the injustices that surround child abuse, sexual abuse, sex slavery and murder.

it's a mad mad mad mad mad world.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:33 pm

oh the nature of art! yay!
so personal, so undefinable...

good art never glorifies violence?
is that reallytrue?

It is to ME.. but let's face it, art ("art") is not objective.
I'm sure there are people who think that velvet elvises are great art.
And there are people who seriously believe that 'Reservoir Dogs' is "art"

I disagree. I think that people are all different, and what is "art" to me is not "art" to anyone else, necessarily.

I like Van gogh for his teeny tiny brushstrokes, and I like the group of seven for their giant shapes that somehow make me see details. I like documentary films, because they weave reality with beauty (which are sometimes not the same thing). But some people like porn. (No, I mean like it as if it were good to hang in your dining room)
Some people pay good money for crappy charcoal sketches of large penises attached to muscular males who do not exist in reality. Some people will list "Kill Bill" as their favorite movie.

it's all up to the individual. like I said, I'm totally against censorship. And like sfgate said, why are we wating our PRECIOUS mental energy looking at violence?

I edited this because i wrote "seriously" twice in two sentences. ;)
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Postby nathan28 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:37 pm

Video of arrest (no tasers involved, sorry to those who got their hopes up):

http://www.wtvr.com/wtvr-mccroskey-airport-raw-story,0,4180771.story

At this time, McCroskey has not been charged in the other three murders.



I might just be too media-saturated, but it's odd to me that the camera was trained on him before the arrest--then again, the cops may have been using the cameras. There are few details released in this case, which has hit the AP wire and the Wash. Post.
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Postby robotilt » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:18 pm

this is one of Sam's YouTube channels. The ones of "SnM" are of his dad's band I think. FWIW

http://www.youtube.com/user/LiLdEmOnDoG#play/uploads
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Postby barracuda » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:51 pm

Great art has glorified violence forever, at least certainly violent episodes such as Alexander's victory over Darius, for one example amongst thousands. But throughout much of human history the senseless brutalities of Syko Sam's puerile rhymings would have been readily recognised as mental illness and the author isolated in some way. It seems only recently in the affairs of men that art so imbued with hatred and devoid of empathy has bubbled to the surface and found a wide audience of utterly disaffected and nihilistic admirers. Concurrently, artworks regaling the glories of the state have fallen from favor; so much so that a savagely brutist work such as Dubuffet's Monument with Standing Beast is seen as appropriate for adorning the entryway of Helmut Jahn's State of Illinois Building in downtown Chicago. Of course things are different now, now that we recognise our society as a whole as being horribly sick. But many other ages of men must have felt similarly.

Not to say that there hasn't always been a market for perversion in the arts - there has been, and some fine work has been done in this manner, even great art. The Misfortunes of Virtue might fall within this category, or the work of George Grosz, but both of these geniuses were able to transcend the bestial view of man inherent in their productions and the result is something approaching sanctimony.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:56 pm

supportive of the postmodernly infantile overuse/abuse of the term great.

Alexander was great.

that mosaic is better than average state sponsored propaganda...
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Postby barracuda » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:11 am

We'll have to disagree there. Awesome provenance, flawless mastery of technique combined with the surpassing pathos of the scenery and individual portraits make this piece, to me, just about as great as great art gets. It's hardly infantile to hold this work in the highest esteem, but your dismissal seems facile.

Is there no state-funded artwork which qualifies for you as worthy of the sobriquet "great", or is that an automatic disqualifier? Do you have any interest in suggesting an example of your own which fits the term? And what of my other examples?
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Postby OP ED » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:42 am

barracuda wrote:We'll have to disagree there. Awesome provenance, flawless mastery of technique combined with the surpassing pathos of the scenery and individual portraits make this piece, to me, just about as great as great art gets. It's hardly infantile to hold this work in the highest esteem, but your dismissal seems facile.


i'll grant you "very good". as close as i can come.



Is there no state-funded artwork which qualifies for you as worthy of the sobriquet "great", or is that an automatic disqualifier?


usually.

example: Mt. Rushmore is good, the Crazy Horse memorial is great.

which is to say that one should never underestimate a higher calling.

Do you have any interest in suggesting an example of your own which fits the term?


well, my own painting is mediocre at its best, as my talents lie nearer words and music than with the more overtly visual forms, so i'm more likely to see clearer when dealing with them.

i'd suggest, say, Sgt. Pepper's or the Gospel of John.


And what of my other examples?


Dubuffet is a close call. Too soon to tell. Not really a big fan of the "i can't tell what it is but it reminds me of melting ice cream" genre of art myself.

I'd call Grosz's art way above average at least, but a bit undefined and somewhat thematically typical of his time period for my taste, which isn't to say it isn't good, but that i doubt anyone but an art student will recognize his name or understand his themes in another couple centuries. on edit: also his sad communism and lack of faith in art itself personally depresses me.

and i don't think de Sade was even a very good pornographer. that is, i think, if not for Napoleon, neither of us would have read any of his writings.
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