Body Size Liberation (Warning: Nude Photos)

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Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:29 pm

sw, I can relate to so much of what you say above. Thank you for saying it here :angelwings: My use of wings as a personal symbol for myself has to do much more with that hovering you mention than with angels or with my love of birds, as most of my friends assume. Until I met other systematized abuse survivors, I had no idea why psychics kept telling me that I was barely connected to my body. Now, it's sometimes very difficult being embodied and female, but I'm getting better at it. I too gained a lot of weight, but a diabetes diagnosis motivated me to get moving again and not hide inside my house (and body) anymore. So I'm now at a weight that's 20 lbs. more than my previous extreme thinness (I was just like you were) and finally am beginning to feel better in my own skin--something I wish for everyone.

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PS But, believe it or not, I got some hurtful snarks from fat activist friends when I made the decision to take the weight off to try to avoid diabetes. As I've not shared my complicated history with them, I'm trying not to take it personally...and I still support their efforts 100%. I've lived both sides and know how long a road lies ahead of our society when it comes to eradicating body size prejudice.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:06 pm

From the Evolution Control Committee:


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Postby Pierre d'Achoppement » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:12 pm



I'm sorry that i got fat, i will slim down

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Postby freemason9 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:49 pm

TheDuke wrote:Yay! Let's celebrate gluttony!


Because it's easier than losing weight and eating proper meals!
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby ninakat » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:16 am

WOOF . . . no DOUBLE WOOF

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Postby Project Willow » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:01 am

This is a lengthy article but well worth the time. Some of this research was highlighted over a decade ago, but this author does a good job providing an updated review.

Once you're fat, after losing weight, the body will work against you keeping it off by slowing various metabolic processes and even changing your psychological responses to food. So a woman who once was overweight has to eat fewer calories and maintain a higher level of physical activity in order to remain at her lower weight than a woman of comparable height and weight who had never been fat.


The Fat Trap
By TARA PARKER-POPE
Published: December 28, 2011
For 15 years, Joseph Proietto has been helping people lose weight. When these obese patients arrive at his weight-loss clinic in Australia, they are determined to slim down. And most of the time, he says, they do just that, sticking to the clinic’s program and dropping excess pounds. But then, almost without exception, the weight begins to creep back. In a matter of months or years, the entire effort has come undone, and the patient is fat again. “It has always seemed strange to me,” says Proietto, who is a physician at the University of Melbourne. “These are people who are very motivated to lose weight, who achieve weight loss most of the time without too much trouble and yet, inevitably, gradually, they regain the weight.”

Anyone who has ever dieted knows that lost pounds often return, and most of us assume the reason is a lack of discipline or a failure of willpower. But Proietto suspected that there was more to it, and he decided to take a closer look at the biological state of the body after weight loss.

Beginning in 2009, he and his team recruited 50 obese men and women. The men weighed an average of 233 pounds; the women weighed about 200 pounds. Although some people dropped out of the study, most of the patients stuck with the extreme low-calorie diet, which consisted of special shakes called Optifast and two cups of low-starch vegetables, totaling just 500 to 550 calories a day for eight weeks. Ten weeks in, the dieters lost an average of 30 pounds.

At that point, the 34 patients who remained stopped dieting and began working to maintain the new lower weight. Nutritionists counseled them in person and by phone, promoting regular exercise and urging them to eat more vegetables and less fat. But despite the effort, they slowly began to put on weight. After a year, the patients already had regained an average of 11 of the pounds they struggled so hard to lose. They also reported feeling far more hungry and preoccupied with food than before they lost the weight.

While researchers have known for decades that the body undergoes various metabolic and hormonal changes while it’s losing weight, the Australian team detected something new. A full year after significant weight loss, these men and women remained in what could be described as a biologically altered state. Their still-plump bodies were acting as if they were starving and were working overtime to regain the pounds they lost. For instance, a gastric hormone called ghrelin, often dubbed the “hunger hormone,” was about 20 percent higher than at the start of the study. Another hormone associated with suppressing hunger, peptide YY, was also abnormally low. Levels of leptin, a hormone that suppresses hunger and increases metabolism, also remained lower than expected. A cocktail of other hormones associated with hunger and metabolism all remained significantly changed compared to pre-dieting levels. It was almost as if weight loss had put their bodies into a unique metabolic state, a sort of post-dieting syndrome that set them apart from people who hadn’t tried to lose weight in the first place.

“What we see here is a coordinated defense mechanism with multiple components all directed toward making us put on weight,” Proietto says. “This, I think, explains the high failure rate in obesity treatment.”

While the findings from Proietto and colleagues, published this fall in The New England Journal of Medicine, are not conclusive — the study was small and the findings need to be replicated — the research has nonetheless caused a stir in the weight-loss community, adding to a growing body of evidence that challenges conventional thinking about obesity, weight loss and willpower. For years, the advice to the overweight and obese has been that we simply need to eat less and exercise more. While there is truth to this guidance, it fails to take into account that the human body continues to fight against weight loss long after dieting has stopped. This translates into a sobering reality: once we become fat, most of us, despite our best efforts, will probably stay fat.

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The rest at the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1
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Postby Laodicean » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:25 am

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If doctor recommends, tell him/her to fuck off.
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Re: Body Size Liberation (Warning: Nude Photos)

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed May 30, 2012 11:10 am

Just searched out this thread after reading an article on a likely link between BPH, BADGE and obesity.
...the UC-Irvine study represents yet another bit of evidence that the FDA, which recently reaffirmed its approval of BPA in can linings, isn't taking the threat of industrial chemicals in food nearly seriously enough. And it also strongly suggests that at least some of our obesity problem stems not from personal choice but rather from decisions made behind closed doors by the food and chemical industries, which have found it profitable to put this stuff in our food containers

Makes me mad as hell.

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Re: Body Size Liberation (Warning: Nude Photos)

Postby Elihu » Wed May 30, 2012 12:09 pm

for your consideration, these pronouncements themselves are propaganda packets. controlling the flow:
...the UC-Irvine study
follow the money
yet another bit of evidence
how many more do we need?
the FDA, which recently reaffirmed its approval of BPA in can linings, isn't taking the threat of industrial chemicals in food nearly seriously enough.
why look at something upside down? turn it right side up. the fda facilitates the threat.
And it also strongly suggests that at least some of our obesity problem stems not from personal choice but rather from decisions made behind closed doors by the food and chemical industries
remove the adverbs and subjective terms.
which have found it profitable to put this stuff in our food containers
not to mention the "food". conspiracy 101. the primary target is not the calories in the gut but the hypothalamus. the brain, the nervous system. the chemicals don't occur naturally. they have to be synthesized in a lab and processed in a large facility. "profits" don't answer as a motivation imo. the industry, the legislature and the fda is one big protection racket. imo, these info ops articles feign concern, convey passivity, and discourage non-approved action. what's the implication?
or call it all crazy and concerned citizens with your hard-earned and limited funds keep bringing your heart-wrenching testimonies and petitions before the mighty fedgov. they'll do the right thing. someday.
but you are right Lily, it is maddening. it makes me mad too...
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Postby Project Willow » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:17 pm

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Re: Body Size Liberation (Warning: Nude Photos)

Postby Jerky » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:56 am

As a life-long sufferer from both obesity and size-related shaming (often to the point of physical violence), I wanted to write something profound and truthful about this issue in this discussion thread. Unfortunately, even just thinking about it reminds me of the worst times in my life and puts me in a suicidal place.

Suffice it to say that the mockery and disgust have not only been WORSE than the obesity in terms of their effect on my mental health... they've probably exacerbated the core issues at the heart of my problem.

I mean, I look back on childhood photos of myself at 4, 5, 6 years old, and I think, how the HELL did anybody call me a fat kid back then? I was like a skinned rabbit! It's like I spent my life living down to everybody's expectations and/or worst images of me.

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