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Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:48 pm

The Crazed Internet Rantings of Jared Loughner
POSTED BY DAN GIBSON ON SAT, JAN 8, 2011 AT 4:09 PM

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It appears that this YouTube clip is of Jared Loughner, in custody for the shooting at Safeway this morning.

My son is 9 years old, so when I heard from UMC's Dr. Peter Rhee that a child of the same age is among the confirmed dead from the shooting at Safeway on Ina and Oracle roads, this whole event became even harder to take. I try to take my son to events where politicians appear to try to expose him to newsmakers and the world around him, and while we're on the other side of town from today's shooting, what separates my family from being involved in something like this is that this Safeway was within walking distance of Loughner's family's house, and not mine. It's a little tough to process.

I guess you want to blame a movement or radical belief for what happened, so that there's someone to blame bigger than just one shooter or that the madness makes a little sense, but after poring over the digital remnants left behind by Jared Loughner across the Internet, the one thing I feel like I can say about the 22 year old is that he seems to be someone desperately needing mental health care.

There are certainly themes that run through his videos and postings: the unconstitutionality of various institutions (including Pima Community College), remarks about "rare birds" and the use of language that would imply that Loughner didn't expect to be around for long (his last Myspace post, from this morning, was "Goodbye friends"), but otherwise, it's impossible to make sense of most of it.

For example, here's a selection of what Loughner left on someone's MySpace page:


If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
There's no flag in the constitution.
Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
Burn every new and old flag that you see.
Burn your flag!
I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
Watch this protest in reverse!
Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
There's not a new government from protesting.
Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.


That was left 77 days ago, but what are you supposed to make of that?

The YouTube clips on his channel are just as wildly confusing. If you can understand what on Earth this means, you're a step ahead of me:

Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.
This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream — sadly.

Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I'm informing you for your new currency! If you're treasuerer of a new money system, then you're responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know — the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that's accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?

Secondly, my hope - is for you to be literate! If you're literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of poeple, who reside in District 8, are illiterate — hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.

Thirdly, I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen.

In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!


The other recent video is longer and maybe a little more distressing, in retrospect, especially considering that he refers to them as his "final thoughts":

My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!
Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!

The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!

If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.

Therefore, the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.

If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

B.C.E. years are unable to start.

Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.

If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don't cease.

A.D.E. is endless in year.

Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don't cease.

If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.

Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

Every human who's mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.

If you create one new currency then you're able to create a second new currency.

If you're able to create second new currency then you're able to create third new currency.

You create one new currency.

Thus, you're able to create a third new currency.

You're a treasurer for a new currency, listener?

You create and distribute your new currency, listener?

You don't allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?

If you create one new language then you're able to create a second new language.

If you're able to create a second new language then you're able to create a third new language.

You create one new language.

Thus, you're able to create a third new language.

All humans are in need of sleep.

Jared Loughner is a human.

Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.

Sleepwalking

If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I define sleepwalking.

Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.

I'm a sleepwalker - who turns off the alarm clock.

All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.

Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.

Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.

Terrorist

If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

I define terrorist.

This, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.

If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

You call me a terrorist.

Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.

Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenis is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.

Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

I didn't write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application; None.

The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.

You don't have to accept the federalist laws.

Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constituion to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.

You're literate, listener?

If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.

Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.

In conclusion, reading the second United States Constition, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!

No! I won't trust in God!

What's government if words don't have meaning?


Another video, favorited by Loughner, uses "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor" by Drowning Pool as a soundtrack to the burning of an American flag in the desert by a hooded, masked man wearing what appears to be pants made of black garbage bags.

His MySpace page featured a photo of a Glock pistol placed on an American History textbook and listed his favorite books as "Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno", a mess of books with wildly different viewpoints.

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From the Arizona Daily Star

There's nothing you can attach philosophically this guy right now, but it seems he had destructive thoughts on his mind for sometime. There's a smiling photo of Loughner at the Star as a volunteer at the Tucson Festival of Books about a year ago. That seems to be a far, far different young man than the one from most recent months, and a million miles away from the gunman who walked to Safeway today.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/ar ... d-loughner

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby DrVolin » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:55 pm

My gut feeling is that this is a message to someone further up the food chain. There have been quite a few intimidation attacks within the Democratic party in the past few years. Gwatney in Arkansas, for one. But I would at least consider viewing this in the light of the Anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy. There is also a recent history of intimidation attacks against federal judges. Think Lefkow in Chicago, for example.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby DrVolin » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:13 pm

In light of the material posted by Vanlose, he's a sleepwalker who defines terrorism? And do those dates at the top of the post strike anyone else as potential code groups?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:14 pm

Sheriff Pima County press conference
Suspect had troubled past

Not convinced suspect acted alone

Gifford was the target

suspect has criminal background

there was no security

Arizona has become a mecca for prejudice and bigotry

after another suspect no more information on him
19 people shot

6 people including a child shot and killed

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:15 pm

DrVolin wrote:In light of the material posted by Vanlose, he's a sleepwalker who defines terrorism? And do those dates at the top of the post strike anyone else as potential code groups?



all of that was posted two page back
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:17 pm

listed his favorite books as "Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno", a mess of books with wildly different viewpoints.


I think it's impossible for him to have read these books considering the quality of his writing.

Also the news was quoting a person who lived near the shooter saying he believed that Jared wasn't "keen on religion", which would again suggest larger liberal sympathy.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:30 pm

After Giffords Shooting, Rep. Grijalva Blames Rage-Fueled Political Climate
— By Suzy Khimm| Sat Jan. 8, 2011 3:36 PM PST
In the wake of the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and the shooting of more than 20 others in Tucson today, fellow Arizona Democrat Rep. Raul Grijalva denounced a political environment poisoned by "anger, hatred, and division." In a phone interview with Mother Jones, Grijalva called the assault "horrible and unbelievable and shocking….It's hard to explain and really difficult to comprehend." Grijalva—who was also the recent target of violent threats—went on to blame the polarized political climate for creating an atmosphere that fueled violence:

We never entered [politics] believing that we were taking our lives in our hands...we're feeding anger, hatred, and division for quite a while. Maybe it is time for elected officials and leaders in this country that have been feeding that disease to realize that there are consequences to it. I hope people stop and think that we can be opponents, but we don't have to be deadly enemies…to demonize another person because of a disagreement and to make them expendible is not a democracy, it's not the America I know.

Asked whether the tea party right deserved to be singled out for particular blame, Grijalva assented:

[When] you stoke these flames, and you go to public meetings and you scream at the elected officials, you threaten them—you make us expendable you make us part of the cannon fodder. For a while, you've been feeding this hatred, this division…you feed it, you encourage it….Something's going to happen. People are feeding this monster….Some of the extreme right wing has made demonization of elected officials their priority.

A number of prominent left-wing blogs, including Daily Kos and FireDogLake, also blamed Sarah Palin for fanning the flames by placing Giffords—along with other vulnerable Democratic members of Congress—literally in the crosshairs on a map during the midterm elections. Grijalva said that the Palin "apparatus" shares responsibility for creating a climate of extremism. "Both Gabby and I were targeted in the apparatus in that cycle [saying] these people are 'enemies.'" He concluded: "The Palin express better look at their tone and their tenor."
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:33 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
DrVolin wrote:In light of the material posted by Vanlose, he's a sleepwalker who defines terrorism? And do those dates at the top of the post strike anyone else as potential code groups?



all of that was posted two page back


not all of it, but i get your point. and i had my reasons:

1) i haven't been able to view any of the videos (and the talk on ZH is that they may be taken down soon).

2) it seems most of JLL's videos are formatted text, so i grabbed the extended quotes from the Tucson Weekly as exactly that: text.

3) the texts seem to speak against any presumptive framing of JLL as a rightwing teabagger – seems to me he's more john hinckley than a political assassin, i.e. disturbed (not that i know, but it's worth considering). – he's a mixed bag of nuts.

that's about it, as of now.

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby DrVolin » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:35 pm

vanlose kid wrote:seems to me he's more john hinckley than a political assassin


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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:37 pm

DrVolin wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:seems to me he's more john hinckley than a political assassin


???


jodie foster

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:38 pm

Occult Means Hidden wrote:
listed his favorite books as "Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno", a mess of books with wildly different viewpoints.


I think it's impossible for him to have read these books considering the quality of his writing.

Also the news was quoting a person who lived near the shooter saying he believed that Jared wasn't "keen on religion", which would again suggest larger liberal sympathy.


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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:42 pm

Military said he was rejected but would not say why

Sheriff has photo of a person of interest

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:10 pm

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The Telegraph (UK) has some interesting new info, though some of it may be rubbish - the article is not much better written than Loughner's Youtube vids, and The Telegraph doesn't care at all if it sensationalizes all semblance of reality out of most US stories.

Arizona court records show Loughner has twice been charged with previous offences. The first, in October 2007, related to the possession of drug paraphernalia. It was unclear what the second, a year later, related to. Both charges were dismissed after Loughner completed a "diversion programme"

On Saturday night. Caitie Parker, a singer-songwriter from Arizona, said she had known Loughner when they were both teenagers and that he dropped out of school in 2006 after developing alcohol poisoning.

"I went to high school and college, and was in a band with him," she said on Twitter. "I can't even fathom this right now."

Describing him as a "political radical" and a "loner" who was "very philosophical" [DANGER SIGNS, PEOPLE!], Ms Parker claimed Loughner was "oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy", which predicts the world will end next year.

Ms Parker said Loughner had encountered Miss Giffords once before in 2007 and had "asked her a question and he told me she was 'stupid and unintelligent'."

However she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing.
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It also contained an apparent farewell message to his friends in which he wrote: "Please don't be mad at me... I cannot rest." The page was removed from the internet within minutes.


With all the references to rest, sleep, dreaming, sleepwalking - was he maybe incredibly sleep-deprived? It would explain his appalling writing, despite the fact that he keeps going on about literacy, and claims that reading and grammar were his favourite things. Sleep-deprivation can also make you do some horrible things.

A lot of schizophrenics seem to deprive themselves of sleep for long periods, especially if they believe they have discovered a "purpose", or a "quest" to put themselves on.

Unusually, the biography section of the MySpace page was completed in the past tense. It said: "My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar."

An account on YouTube, the video-sharing website operated in Loughner's name contained several home-made videos including one titled '"My final thoughts".

The YouTube account stated that among Loughner's favourite books, most of which were much-loved classic novels, were Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto.


Didn't Andrew Joseph Stack quote both in his rant against the IRS? Or was it only the Communist Manifesto?


If anyone looked through my books after my death for evidence of what I thought about things, they'd come away with a very confused picture too.

One video, which contained a series of text set to music, made reference to revolution and told viewers: "You don't have to accept the federalist laws".

It called for a return to the gold standard, a common demand of Tea Party activists, and claimed that the government was imposing "mind control and brainwash on the people".


The gold standard thing makes him sound like a Ron Paul follower. If so, there wouldn't be much contradiction in him being both a "left-wing liberal" and a Right-tard.

That Drowning Pool song is the shittest thing ever created by man, and is near inescapable on Youtube. It should be banned - not because it's dangerous, but because it's a generic, sappy version of metal, only enjoyed by people who think Nickelback are hardcore.

EDIT: Just realised that The Telegraph literally took half their story, completely unconfirmed, direct from Caitie Parker's Twitter page!

http://twitter.com/caitieparker

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby anothershamus » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:11 pm

DrVolin wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:seems to me he's more john hinckley than a political assassin


???


The Hinckely family and the Bush family had to postpone dinner together because of the son's (or nephew's) actions. Ergo a sleeper assassin.

Who is this guy's family?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby The Consul » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:46 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
DrVolin wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:seems to me he's more john hinckley than a political assassin


???


jodie foster

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We do know Hinkley's brother was to have dinner with Neil Bush the day after the assasination. We also know that Hinkley's father was GHW Bush's largest campaign contributer. Jodi Foster is on record disputing FBI's version of events.

What we don't know about him is who his controller was. It will be interesting to see how this "second person" an "older man" thread plays out and is most likely erased within 48 hours and shooter is declared despondent schizophrenic who stopped taking his dilantin.
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