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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:So a bunch of politicians pissed off so the bill couldn't be passed?

Is that right?


nathan28 wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Also, I find this heaping of abuse on Democrats in general just at a time when a group of them in a state have taken a stand against unprecedented plans for tyranny advanced by a Republican governor who is threatening something like open martial law to be... suspiciously doctrinaire. At best.


Yeah, seriously. I'm sure B-Rock already gave the WI Dems guys notice they're never going to hold office again. The Dems do one thing right for the first time since Clinton and people's heads explode? I mean, besides the obvious fact that the WI Dems are just hiding as part of a long-term plan to provide a pretext for martial law so the CIA can fully implement REX 84, their efforts to block quorum are downright commendable.



Thanks for that.

Thats brilliant.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby Nordic » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:06 am

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/o ... nion-bill/

Ohio’s turn to revolt: Thousands flood statehouse over anti-union bill


The massive, government-crippling protests in Madison, Wisconsin have now spilled over into Ohio, where over 5,000 rallied Thursday in opposition to a bill that would eliminate collective bargaining rights for state workers.

Ohio's Senate Bill 5 is essentially the same as what Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker proposed, and it seems to be recieving about the same response. Just last week, more than 800 people showed up to protest the bill while it was still in committee, packing out the statehouse in a show of numbers that Thursday's demonstration easily topped.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby eyeno » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:12 am

The governor by his actions has returned us to a time 35 years ago in order to complete that unfinished Republican effort to dissolve the long recognized right of workers to organize. He is no friend of the working class.



Yes I agree. He is a puppet and not much more. Bad actor.

So far I have not seen any evidence that this is true dissent. Nothing makes it stand out yet, in my eyes anyway. Considering the behavior of the dem party the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of this being a sham. A lot of people thought Obama was the real deal too. Didn't happen though huh? I hope I am wrong. I truly do.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby 23 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:36 pm

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Unions offer concessions as Capitol stalemate, protests continue

With some 40,000 protesters — and even the Rev. Jesse Jackson — showing up at the state Capitol on Friday to help cheer them on, Democratic lawmakers successfully delayed action on a controversial budget repair bill that effectively strips public workers of their collective bargaining rights.

And Gov. Scott Walker announced he was pushing back the release of the state's two-year budget, and his budget address, by a week. It was supposed to be delivered Tuesday.

"You are winning the Super Bowl of workers' rights!" Jackson told the crowd gathered on the Capitol steps Friday, the fifth and largest day of protests so far.

The Legislature may be at a stalemate for now — Democratic senators haven't returned from Illinois after fleeing Wisconsin on Thursday, and the Assembly adjourned after a brief but heated session — but major union officials came forward Friday to offer concessions.

Top leaders of two of Wisconsin's largest public employee unions announced they are willing to accept the financial concessions called for in Walker's plan, but will not accept the loss of collective bargaining rights.

Mary Bell, president of the Wisconsin Education Association Council, and Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME Council 24, said in a conference call with reporters that workers will do their fair share to narrow Wisconsin's budget gap.

Walker's plan calls for nearly all state, local and school employees to pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care premiums. That would save $30 million by June 30 and $300 million over the next two years, the governor has said.

The measure also would prohibit most unionized public employees, except local police and fire fighters and the State Patrol, from bargaining on issues besides wages. Wage hikes could be negotiated only if they don't exceed the consumer price index.

"We want to say loud and clear — it is not about those concessions," Bell said. "For my members, it's about retaining a voice in their professions."

The two insisted their positions have not changed and Friday's call was intended to clarify their opposition to Walker's proposal. Bell, who represents 98,000 educators, and Beil, whose council includes 60,000 members, repeated calls for Walker to sit down with them.

Senate Democrats also reached out to Walker, sending him a letter urging him to remove the bargaining provisions from his bill.

But Walker repeated that he would not back down.

Friday the Capitol was again flooded by thousands of protesters and the sounds of bagpipes, banging drums, singing and chanting. The crowd totalled about 35,000 surrounding the Capitol and 5,000 inside the building, according to Madison and Capitol police. The protests are expected to continue and possibly grow on Saturday, with a pro-Walker rally organized by Americans for Prosperity planned for noon.

Appearance by Jesse Jackson

National labor figures descended on the Capitol on Friday, where they were joined by Jackson, who arrived around noon. Speaking to a near-capacity crowd from the second level of the Capitol rotunda, the civil rights activist led protesters in chants of "Save the teachers. Save the children." Protesters swayed as Jackson led them in a rendition of the song, "We Shall Overcome."

"If we can find the money to bail out wealthy businessmen, we can bail out Madison, Wisconsin!" Jackson yelled, to thunderous applause from the crowd, many of them clad in Badger red.

The 14 Senate Democrats who fled Wisconsin on Thursday to avoid voting on Walker's controversial plan continued their boycott. The lawmakers, at least some of whom are holed up in Illinois, still say they won't return until Walker gets rid of the provisions stripping workers of their bargaining rights. Sen. Fred Risser, D-Madison, said he was in northern Illinois and didn't know when he'd be back.

Some protesters were calling the senators the "Fab 14" while others declared their intent to recall Sens. Bob Wirch, D-Pleasant Prairie, and Jim Holperin, D-Conover, for failure to carry out their official duties.

Assembly convenes without Democrats

Meanwhile, Assembly Republicans convened their floor session a few minutes before its scheduled start Friday evening and moved Walker's bill toward final passage before Democrats could enter the chamber, prompting howls of outrage from Assembly Democrats.

The action, taken on a voice vote, prevented the Democrats from introducing any amendments to the bill. Democrats began yelling as they entered the chamber to find the majority Republicans voting on the bill.

"This is unbelievable. Unprecedented. Un-American," yelled Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha. "This is just the most outrageous thing I have ever seen."

Barca called the actions "illegal" and a violation of Assembly rules.

"There is a stink in this body. There's a stain on the history of this state with what you've done."

Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, said he started early because, "Honestly, I thought you guys weren't showing up."

Fitzgerald acknowledged that Barca was correct in his reading of the rules, and members allowed the bill to return to its amendable stage. Fitzgerald then moved to adjourn the Assembly until 10 a.m. on Tuesday, prompting a standing ovation from Democrats, who promised to continue working on amendments to the bill.

Republicans say they're standing firm

Jeff Fitzgerald's brother, Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, also was in the spotlight Friday. Scott Fitzgerald said the massive protests were solidifying support of the 19 Republican senators for Walker's budget repair bill.

"If anything, what's going on around this building is galvanizing the (Republican) caucus," the Senate leader said. "There's nobody in this caucus that's softening."

Asked whether any Democratic senators appeared ready to compromise with Walker and the Republicans, Fitzgerald said he's been unable to reach anyone except Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller, D-Monona. That conversation Thursday lasted 20 seconds, he said. The 19 Republicans need a 20th senator to act on the budget bill.

Earlier Friday, state troopers were dispatched to Miller's home after Fitzgerald said he had been led to believe the Democratic leader was there. But no one answered the door.

"I am starting to hold Senator Miller responsible for this. He is the leader, elected by his members," Fitzgerald said.

The GOP holds a 19-14 edge in the Senate and a 57-38-1 edge in the Assembly, and Republican leaders say they have the votes to pass the measure.

The governor's proposal, unveiled Feb. 11 as part of a bill aimed at overcoming a $137 million deficit in the current budget, was expected to pass Thursday but stalled when the Senate Democrats walked out.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby lupercal » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:17 pm

What I'm wondering is how this clown Walker got elected in the first place, also how GOP nobody Ron Johnson defeated 3-termer Russ Feingold in his senate reelection race last November. What the hell were peeps thinking anyway?
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:42 pm

lupercal wrote:What I'm wondering is how this clown Walker got elected in the first place, also how GOP nobody Ron Johnson defeated 3-termer Russ Feingold in his senate reelection race last November. What the hell were peeps thinking anyway?


Citizens United vs Federal Election Commission.

Unprecedented corporate money poured into their campaigns.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:45 pm

The language, "except with respect to sexual orientation" appears in the bill in a number of places.

16.765 (1) Contracting agencies, the University of Wisconsin Hospitals and
Clinics Authority, the Fox River Navigational System Authority, the Wisconsin
Aerospace Authority, the Health Insurance Risk−Sharing Plan Authority, the Lower
Fox River Remediation Authority, the Wisconsin Quality Home Care Authority, the
Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation, and the Bradley Center Sports and
Entertainment Corporation shall include in all contracts executed by them a
provision obligating the contractor not to discriminate against any employee or
applicant for employment because of age, race, religion, color, handicap, sex, physical
condition, developmental disability as defined in s. 51.01 (5), sexual orientation as
defined in s. 111.32 (13m), or national origin and, except with respect to sexual
orientation
, obligating the contractor to take affirmative action to ensure equal
employment opportunities.


Here is a link to the full text of the bill:

http://thewheelerreport.com/releases/Fe ... getlrb.pdf
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby eyeno » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:59 pm

Sorry, you're only showing that you may not be paying very close attention. A number of the Wisconsin senate runaways today HAVE been clearly stating their positions in radio and TV interviews (from undisclosed locations outside Wisconsin). They have said clearly it's to prevent a vote to end collective bargaining.

I don't understand why on the third or fourth clarification about this you are still, out of all the things that one might say about Wisconsin, choosing to attack the politicians who, for a change, are doing the right thing. They are not "running away" -- they are blocking a quorum, and announcing why. Maybe you are watching FOXNEWS only?




No I don't watch Fox News. I admit I was behind on the news when I spoke earlier too.

I did talk to a Tea Bag Fox News Glenn Beck junkie last night though. Amazing conversation. It was like the twilight zone. This person was totally convinced that unions are a bad thing and that the unions need to be busted up and done away with. No matter how many ways I tried to explain to this person that solidarity and collective bargaining protects the little people it just never seemed to make sense to this person. This person was so bluntly stunned by the power of Fox News that all critical thinking was completely switched off. It was strange.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:27 pm

if the WI protesters are CIA, who are these guys?

Wisconsin protesters to face Tea Party counter protesters today
February 19th, 2011 8:52 am ET


Wisconsin has become the center of a national battle over worker rights, and today union protesters will be faced with a counter protest from Tea Partiers in Madison. For the past few days tens of thousands of workers, families, and union sympathizers have come to the Capitol building in Madison to protest a bill being pushed by Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) to strip labor organizations of most of their collective bargaining rights. The story has drawn national media attention, as many believe the same scenario will play out in other states across the country. Today the Tea Party will try to flex its own political muscle in support of Walker, creating a tense situation in Capitol Square.

Police are prepared for anywhere from 30,000 to 50,000 combined protesters tomorrow. Madison police spokesperson Joel DeSpain was complimentary of union leaders in helping to keep the protests of the past few days peaceful. Despain said they have had no problem with Tea Party protesters in the past, and expect no serious problems tomorrow.

While both sides are calling for non-violence there is some concern that the rhetoric may grow heated as the two sides face off. Conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart will be attending the counter protest. Breitbart has previously been known to use some inflammatory language in attacking liberals. Announcements for the counter protest referred to the union protesters as “pigs” who were dirtying up the Capitol of Wisconsin.

Charges of “astroturf” roots have been made against both sides. Conservatives claim that the Democratic National Committee and Organizing is helping the union protesters, a charge not entirely denied by Democrats who say they are merely aiding what began as a grassroots protest. Liberals argue that Koch Industries, a pro-coal group backed by billionaires, is helping to organize and fund the counter protest.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz- ... ests-today


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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby lupercal » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:33 pm

^ wrong thread. That goes in your pal Nathan's troll thread. Try to keep up. :lol2:
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:34 pm

rhetoric may grow heated as the two sides face off


I can guarantee it.
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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:34 pm

ok. this is not satire.

Tea Party members should take a prayer in their hearts to Wisconsin
By Judi McLeod Saturday, February 19, 2011

It will take as much common sense, as it will courage, to be a Tea Party protester in union-made-ugly Wisconsin today.

Ditto for the rest of the states when President Obama gets to unleash his union thugs on the people he was purportedly elected to represent.

Obama gave Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood. Three hundred and sixty five people died in the Egypt uprisings. Scores of others were injured.

It is not Hillary Clinton who Barack Hussein Obama fears most. And it’s not Sarah Palin either. Both are easily swatted away mosquitoes in the Pocket Messiah’s arrogant thinking.

It is the Tea Party Movement that Obama most fears
. Obama needs the Tea Party off the radar if he is going to win re-election in 2012.

The mainstream media’s smearing of the Tea Party has failed, and failed abysmally.

Can you imagine Obama’s desperation to turn off the patriot’s only light?

Just as the world’s largest search engine tried to portray the Egypt uprising as “spontaneous” and “pro-democracy”, union thugs shutting down schools in Wisconsin are singing the chant, “This is what democracy looks like”.

According to lapdog media, like Annenberg digital news, “The protests that have swept the Capitol this week have stunned even longtime legislators for both their breadth and intensity. “This is the biggest demonstration I’ve ever seen,” said State Sen. Alberta Darling (R-River Hills).”

Wisconsin protests are expected to top 50,000 today—but only because the Tea Party has joined the fray.

Obama and his Marxist minions didn’t see or hear the millions that showed up at the Tea Party’s 9/12 Protest and would deny the masses even if they were standing in their midst.

Fresh from their success of finding the 14 cut-and-run Democrats and their little yellow bus, Tea Party patriots are due to stage a competing rally in support of Gov. Scott Walker’s budget-repair bill today.

Obama’s MoveOn.org-inspired union protesters are hoping that the rally, due to be staged in front of the Capitol’s south entry between noon and 3 p.m., will fail.

Tea Party members will be painted like ghosts who don’t exist by an Obama compliant mainstream media. Politicians and their running dog union thugs will call Tea Party patriots racists and rednecks.

What else is new from the yada, yada department?

Any violence that erupts will be placed squarely at the Tea Party’s door.

Marxists glibly lie as the occasion demands.

If Obama could only smother the light of the Tea Party, he would, in effect, be able to totally suppress patriotism, the only thing left standing between America and the orchestrated death of democracy.

Obama will fail in Wisconsin today.

Meantime, for all Tea Party members on the way to the protest:

Take your commonsense along with your courage, and most important of all take a prayer in your purely patriotic hearts.

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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:35 pm

lupercal wrote:^ wrong thread. That goes in your pal Nathan's troll thread. Try to keep up. :lol2:


is Judi McLeod your pal?

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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:43 pm

purely patriotic hearts


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Re: Thousands fill the Capitol rotunda in Madison, Wis.

Postby lupercal » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:45 pm

Look vanlose this is real, it's also domestic and if I'm correct you're not native to these parts, so trying to add credibility to the latest fake color-revolution-of-the-week by linking it to what's going on in Wisconsin and apparently Ohio strikes me as the trolling the revolution in the extreme, but don't let me stop you.
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