Joplin suffers 'direct hit' from tornado; 'major damage'

[Stephen Morgan]

tail wagging dog

[eyeno]

Thats why weather control is such a stupid term.

The weather is one global dynamic system. Its huge and is driven by things like the 1000 Watt per metre2 of energy that the sun beams onto the surface of the earth.

Yep. And a mere megawatt (100,000 watt) scale radio antenna pointing 40km from scene of the action is supposed to do something. Uh huh, and i'm going to change the channel on every tv in the next town by pointing my magic remote [i know its magic, the bloke who sold it told me], lol.

No. These people are playing with wattage in the BILLIONS. They have already demonstrated their ability to wake an entire section of the sky so hot that it literally glows.

Which war are you talking about? Has Missouri finally invaded Kansas? Excellent!

This enables radar signals and communication to be skipped around the entire globe. Having mirrors strategically placed around the globe is part of the system. High altitude is necessary to make the system function in a manner they see fit.

I have yet to see anyone attempt to show that enough energy is being effectively applied to enough air sufficient to change weather. I think fans of the idea lack appreciation of the scale of 'the ocean above' (atmosphere).

Not trying to be disrespectful, and respectfully I say to you, that obviously you have not studied this system. It works with billions of watts

[Nordic]

They have already demonstrated their ability to wake an entire section of the sky so hot that it literally glows.

Where?

[justdrew]

Thats why weather control is such a stupid term.

The weather is one global dynamic system. Its huge and is driven by things like the 1000 Watt per metre2 of energy that the sun beams onto the surface of the earth.

Yep. And a mere megawatt (100,000 watt) scale radio antenna pointing 40km from scene of the action is supposed to do something. Uh huh, and i'm going to change the channel on every tv in the next town by pointing my magic remote [i know its magic, the bloke who sold it told me], lol.

No. These people are playing with wattage in the BILLIONS. They have already demonstrated their ability to wake an entire section of the sky so hot that it literally glows.

Which war are you talking about? Has Missouri finally invaded Kansas? Excellent!

This enables radar signals and communication to be skipped around the entire globe. Having mirrors strategically placed around the globe is part of the system. High altitude is necessary to make the system function in a manner they see fit.

I have yet to see anyone attempt to show that enough energy is being effectively applied to enough air sufficient to change weather. I think fans of the idea lack appreciation of the scale of 'the ocean above' (atmosphere).

Not trying to be disrespectful, and respectfully I say to you, that obviously you have not studied this system. It works with billions of watts

HAARP claims to have a total power emission of 3.6 million watts

The intensity of the HF signal in the ionosphere is less than 3 µW/cm², tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less than even the normal random variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere.

interestingly, that one in Norway appears to be the most powerful at 1GW...

Related facilities

In America, there are two related ionospheric heating facilities: the HIPAS, near Fairbanks, Alaska, and (currently offline for reconstruction) one at the Arecibo Observatory Link text in Puerto Rico. The European Incoherent Scatter Scientific Association (EISCAT) operates an ionospheric heating facility, capable of transmitting over 1 GW effective radiated power (ERP), near Tromsø, Norway. Russia has the Sura Ionospheric Heating Facility, in Vasilsursk near Nizhniy Novgorod, capable of transmitting 190 MW ERP.

Production of weak luminous glow (below what can be seen with the naked eye, but measurable) from absorption of HAARP's signal

[eyeno]

They have already demonstrated their ability to wake an entire section of the sky so hot that it literally glows.

Where?

In one of Bernard Eastland's patents. justdrew just posted something on it above too.

[82_28]

Again, only speculation. But think if you gathered the microwave power of planet earth's cellphones that all exist today (and those we've all invariably thrown away), evenly distributed and collected that same and already existing (albeit distributed) power in one facility. Or a few. The tech and power to do such a thing is there simply for the fact that we already carry small devices that do the same thing, thus demonstrating that such a powerful device could in fact be built.

[stoneonstone]

Though I risk a beat-down from Nordic, yesterday's ring ahead of the storm line radar, and the latest loop with a re-invigorated NE storm box line.

Still at the observation 'that's not fucking the way it has been for years' stage. Sorry. Not hard proof.

[Nordic]

these particular kind of composite maps are pretty new. that's why you haven't seen them before. it takes some heavy duty computing power just to put one of these together. such computing power didn't exist until recently.

And 82, lets try to keep this place Rigorous Intuition, not non-rigorous SUPERstition.

[eyeno]

I'm equally as willing to believe this crazy weather and earthquake uptick is a symptom of the Sun aligning itself with the Milky Way in 2012. Or a combination of both 2012 and human manipulation. Or neither. I'm just a fascinated observer throwing potential patterns I may see against the wall for inspection.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm equally as willing to believe this crazy weather and earthquake uptick is a symptom of the Sun aligning itself with the Milky Way in 2012. Or a combination of both 2012 and human manipulation. Or neither. I'm just a fascinated observer throwing potential patterns I may see against the wall for inspection.

Keep doing that.

If people disagree it doesn't mean its something personal.

The VLF tower at Exmouth had a 3 Megawatt output iirc. I had a friend tell me that fishing in the Gulf at Exmouth you could feel the buzz of electricity (like some people feel the buzz of powerlines in the air, or the buzz in a storm if lightning is gonna strike nearby) yet they were at least 1.5 km offshore. This would have been the mid 90s.

This guy had a heart attack within 2 years. He was in his mid 20s, very fit, a non smoker etc etc. I knew him years later, he'd recovered, and was still very fit. He wasn't sure if he put his heart attack down to getting too close to the antenna when it was firing up or to genetic factors.

[Nordic]

I think we all agree there's a lot of weird shit going on.

Like I said either here or somewhere else, just look at what DARPA is up to, and that's the stuff they let us know about!!

And yes, it's nothing personal, just trying to keep the R in R.I.

[stoneonstone]

I think we all agree there's a lot of weird shit going on.

Like I said either here or somewhere else, just look at what DARPA is up to, and that's the stuff they let us know about!!

And yes, it's nothing personal, just trying to keep the R in R.I.

You know what, the implication is that there is nothing R in what I am observing. So that is your opinion. If Jeff is monitoring the thread, then maybe he'll pop in an have a word or two about my R over the years.

Nordic, sorry, you are wrong. Composites are an oldish technology. At least a decade of well integrated arrays in a national picture. Not something dreamed up in January. I've been looking at Unisys for over a decade, plus my time before with a Minnesota proprietary system, and over 20 years of looking at Environment Canada radar. I have learned to trust Unisys on observation and even modelling, which is important because they deal with the continent outside of the mandate of Environment Canada. I depend on immediate (local) and long range pattern identification (composite) for my profession (winemaker, winegrower). I have a pretty good record of observing, and making calls based on that. Otherwise I wouldn't be making $45 bottles of wine.

THIS IS NOTHING LIKE I'VE SEEN FULL STOP

I am not saying what the mechanism is, but I am observing phenomenon before and after events, trying to see commonality. And I have. It is aberrant. That's why I posted on this, and keep capturing frames. A few odd times, well, why would I bother your great brains. What I'm seeing now...well, maybe you have theories.

Observe. Theorize. Pull Apart. Repeat.

And dismissing this as the result of a lack of rigor is asinine at the very least.

Your theory please. And it won't be based on a heap of observation, or you wouldn't have posted that the artifacts are the result of the novelty of the technology.

[Nordic]

Okay, here's my theory. The circular patterns you see are discrepancies where one device says it's raining and the other says it's not. Or the other way around.

If a ground based radar says it's not raining, and shows nothing on its radar, then it's pasted into a larger picture from, say, a satellite, and the IR says that it SHOULD be raining, well whoever composites the map together is gonna show you one ruling out the other.

So what you see is a green area where the satellite's IR says there's rain, only there's the big round hole where the ground based radar says it ain't.

Seems pretty simple, really, but what do I know? I work with images, it's what I do. Do I make these precipitation and weather maps? No, but it seems pretty clear based on what I do do (doo doo?) that my explanation is simple, likely, and therefore probable.

Otherwise, what would be causing a perfect mathematically round hole in a place where the center of said circle happens to be a radar installation?

[stoneonstone]

The problem is is (isis?) that these radar punchouts occur where there IS no precip. Otherwise I wouldn't bother capturing them. They spring up in odd hours, Outside the power circle precipt (or air of some sort of different density - heating, drawing in air of different temp to replace rising - standard formation pattern for temp differential fog or low level cloud which you see in the Great Lakes everyday). If they were punch outs due to some poor mathematical graphical insertion, the hole would fill. But, no, when these circles disappear, the 'precip' also disappears. So there is some sort of connection between their sudden appearance (marked by the phantom precip (check the records of the areas in question - there is never any precip phenomenon when it is being shown) and they the disappearance of both the 'radar' ring and the precip marked out.

Then, where there were a number of these punchouts (where there was no precip) within 24 to 48 hours, there is unusually severe weather in that space.

Case in point. Almost all of the severe weather in the capture I had last night moved through by dawn where I am (Eastern Lake Ontario). Yet a second line formed this evening, which seems to be the logical continuation of the firs images. But that had passed. Instead, it is a new line, where last night's anomalies appeared.

I don't think we are seeing ready-for-prime-time stuff, otherwise mathematically it would be scrubbed. But the US can only experiment with weather modification by treaty within it's own borders (Canada included)...and I think we're seeing glimpses of experiments backing on natural phenomenon.

That's my spidey sense in the last part. But the fact this is completely bizarre, that is rigorous. And if you haven't put the time in to observe the images for years (and yes, I worked in enhancing computer images for television, so I'm not a dolt on the matter), then recalibrate your theorizing.

[82_28]

these particular kind of composite maps are pretty new. that's why you haven't seen them before. it takes some heavy duty computing power just to put one of these together. such computing power didn't exist until recently.

And 82, lets try to keep this place Rigorous Intuition, not non-rigorous SUPERstition.

What was superstitious about that? I said, in essence, if you gathered all the cellphones ever made in one place, plugged them in and turned them on and directed that energy, wouldn't that be the same thing as what is in question here? And even if it hasn't been done, it is obvious the technological and engineering prowess of Planet Earth 2011 would be capable of doing so simply because it has already been done but is distributed for the use of communication. Not "distributed" in the sense of each cell phone out there is part of a "microwave master plan", but that the factories have turned out the needed power already, distributed it and could also do the same amount of industrial production for something far more powerful and for other purposes.