How to undermine RI w/out breaking any rules?

[brainpanhandler]

How to undermine RI w/out breaking any rules?

One way to do that would be to instigate a passive-aggressive bitch-fest with no clear purpose, for those who care about whether this place is undermined. Personally I'm glad to not know exactly who / what this thread is referring to. Evidently, it must be a drag to care so much about this place.

Yah, I'm not too fond of you either.

[brainpanhandler]

I don't think this is about speculation per se, or politeness, or trying to determine anyones motivation. Its about persistent egregious pissing in the information stream.

That's well said and I for one appreciate the effort you put in and take it as a sign of respect to the community.

[brainpanhandler]

I think the thread could go bye-bye but...

The thread is definitely lockworthy. I'll eventually request that if the mods or Jeff don't take it upon themselves. But not yet I don't think.

And while I appreciate your efforts at peacemaking, sometimes there is no middle ground.

[Joe Hillshoist]

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[wintler2]

IRL, i swear a treat. My daughter gets a new profanity every birthday. But nobody swears at each other - thats abuse. 82_28 has been incoherently abusing me and BPH for pages now, which is not i think what BPH was talking about on pg1 but makes an interesting related demonstration nonetheless. By their fruits shall ye know them.

Yeah, you're fucking melodramatic. It takes one to know one. Just drop your shit. I'll drop mine. Otherwise, it's never going away until you drop it and accept me as a human and poster here at RI, as I did you before your spidey sense got all crazy and thought OMFG, I've just found someone I disagree with. Fuck you. You don't disagree with me at all, but you don't play well with others. You're a cocksucker who has met the match of somebody about to get banned and also even closer to quitting. You've done your job well. Luckily, I shall take the friends I've made here, certainly far more than you, with me because I came here as a friend and nothing else. This place kept me alive. It kept my mental "juices" flowing through a deep depression of mine. It will always live in my heart. RI was supportive. But not with people like you around. I'm tired of you egotistical anti-speculative motherfuckers who dog on free spirits that speculate.

Fuck you. I'm out.

[bks]

I appreciate the topic, bph, and the effort you and wintler are making to point out what has been a problem here for some time.

Really makes it tough to read a thread when you routinely have to skip over post after post of clutter, due to the thus-far inescapable reality that one's lifetime is finite. No one will like my solutions, so I won't pretend to have good ones. But I'm about ready for some bad ones at this point, frankly.

[Jeff]

82_28, not for the first time do I point your attention toward the following RI Guidestone: "Please refrain from directing obscenities towards other board members in the body of the post." It's not a suggestion.

I have no objection to a thread like this, but the conversation really must stay meta, or else it's going to be breaking the rules itself.

And brainpanhandler, what have you done to make people so mad at you?

[Searcher08]

82_28, not for the first time do I point your attention toward the following RI Guidestone: "Please refrain from directing obscenities towards other board members in the body of the post." It's not a suggestion.

I have no objection to a thread like this, but the conversation really must stay meta, or else it's going to be breaking the rules itself.

And brainpanhandler, what have you done to make people so mad at you?

I remember a thread in the Lounge about volcanoes that got nastier faster than anything I've ever seen at RI. Cuda locked it stat, with an immortal, inspired comment - that I put in the RI Quotes thread.
However, I remember thinking - something happened there that is really not good for RI - a sort of containment vessel getting breached.

Going back to the original post, I could post different structures and sequences, based on certain peoples behaviour here, that I have tracked over quite a long time and could provide thread by thread evidence.
However, I asked myself, so what? Would it actually repay the time and energy invested?
No it wouldn't.
It doesn't matter if there are things like this happening - R.I. is existing in a very low state of functioning and that isn't going to change any time soon. There is no blogging, contributions from members are not built upon, the amazing diverse talents of people here are not developed / cross-pollinated - remember that MANY people here are significant contributors / experts / activists in the own right. All of us have probably had personal aspirations for this place but if past behaviour can give a good indication of future performance, it isnt going to happen.

Some positive reflections...
During the Egyptian mega-events, the Vanlose Kid & AliceTheKurious duo was one of the very best things I have seen come out of this place. The combination of inside / outside observation was incredibly compelling.

I loved JR and bks hyper-kinetic podcast

A couple of months ago, I did an Excel based comparative analysis of front pages stories, views and replies - regarding an intuition that RI had changed over the last couple of years from being quite diverse in its subject matter wrt 'Fortean' subjects to being much more focused on gender issues, current news and events.

and broadly speaking, that seems to be the case.

So (and I guess this is directed at Jeff) two useful questions would seem to surface here...

A Purpose Question
What is the purpose of RI? - what does it DO? - why have it?
(no Motherhood and ApplePie statements , plz )
and
A Vision Question
What specifically do you want to see happen with it in the future?
What would real success for RI look / sound / feel like to you?


My greatest concern about RI is that events really ARE moving faster and faster in the 'real world' and RI will have to adapt or die, a prospect about which I am currently 'cautiously pessimistic'.

[IanEye]

I have no objection to a thread like this, but the conversation really must stay meta, or else it's going to be breaking the rules itself.

And brainpanhandler, what have you done to make people so mad at you?

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One should not speak of the popular uprisings in the middle east as though it was a coincidence. Besides the long, complicated historical record leading up to current events there is also the simple fact of people purposefully rebelling. Generalize all you wish, just don't call it coincidence.

"put another nickel in..."

[82_28]

Well, in a something a little longer than a phrase, Jeff, it's that this thread was begun because I came to 8bit's "aid" because BPH is not nice to people like myself and 8bit. I have continuously called for people to chill the fuck out. I have made my love of RI and all her people known. Yet, this is not good enough to some. I have done nothing here, I follow all "guidestones" and I just think that this thread is bullshit, because it is "accusing" me and others of being in some sort of "cahoots" in order to "undermine" RI. This, I do not appreciate. That is why I will be "out" very soon if some of this hatred is not curtailed very soon. This thread was essentially directed at me, because BPH saw fit to dog on 8bit's back of the napkin speculation, which I happen to appreciate and then the thread in question, being this one, was made as an accusation of any of us looking after one another is "undermining" RI. There is only one provocateur here, well maybe two. See, IanEye's comment above.

The simple, clinical, assholeness of BPH and Wintler2 is what is in question. They just won't let some of us be. And that is my problem.

[Jeff]

Thanks Searcher, I'll chew on that for a while.

And if I wanted to undermine RI w/out breaking any rules, I would stop blogging, indulge disruptors with generous latitude and promise things that never came to pass.

Because I want RI to flourish, I've just given myself good reason to suspend my account.

[seemslikeadream]

Laissez-faire



I believe that was my volcano thread Searcher, it was in GD, locked and moved to the fire pit? i and i have seen it all in 6 years


I love 82_28, he says things I wish I would say






let it be, let it be, let it be brainpanhandler

[Searcher08]

Well, in a something a little longer than a phrase, Jeff, it's that this thread was begun because I came to 8bit's "aid" because BPH is not nice to people like myself and 8bit. I have continuously called for people to chill the fuck out. I have made my love of RI and all her people known. Yet, this is not good enough to some. I have done nothing here, I follow all "guidestones" and I just think that this thread is bullshit, because it is "accusing" me and others of being in some sort of "cahoots" in order to "undermine" RI. This, I do not appreciate. That is why I will be "out" very soon if some of this hatred is not curtailed very soon. This thread was essentially directed at me, because BPH saw fit to dog on 8bit's back of the napkin speculation, which I happen to appreciate and then the thread in question, being this one, was made as an accusation of any of us looking after one another is "undermining" RI. There is only one provocateur here, well maybe two. See, IanEye's comment above.

The simple, clinical, assholeness of BPH and Wintler2 is what is in question. They just won't let some of us be. And that is my problem.

Imagine, just for a second, that what is happening here is not necessarily PERSONAL, or with intent, but an emergence of dynamics that are playing out at a far deeper level than we might realise. I have seen a similar dynamic being played out on other message boards and it seems to come down to:


One set of people speculate and think as they write, so engage in relatively little editing before pressing the Submit button - "the Speculators"
Another set of people analyse - and think, then they write - and engage in a LOT of editing before pressing Submit - "the Analysts"

Speculators perceive Analysts as (at worst) intuition intolerant, cognitive fascists with a flavour of overbearing arrogance verging on bullying

Analysts perceive Speculators as (at worst) deliberately unfocused, time wasting, mental masturbators getting in the way of real rigourous conversation / debate.




What ideas do you have for making this dynamic more constructive?


@Jeff

[seemslikeadream]

and I would direct folks to go to that volcano thread and SEE WHO helped in the locking and moving of a fuckin' thread about volcanoes
brain


why did YOU do that to me?

i don't think anyone here needs advice from you

[Jeff]

Let's keep personalities out of the conversation, otherwise it's not a beneficial thread. And it could be.