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Jeff Wells wrote:If the Singularity is near enough, then the transhumanists may yet have their abiotic rapture. And I'll hand it to them, there's a dark logic to it: perhaps the only way to successfully adapt to a murdered planet is to kill yourself.
Saurian Tail wrote:I enjoyed Jeff's post immensely.
One of the things that I was struck by was the hatred of the body by Kurzweil and company. Growing up Christian, I know this only too well. Dirty, sinful, inconvenient flesh. If only we could die and be free of this damned flesh and it's sinful urges! I had not fully realized the closeness of the two positions. We must all hurry up. There is a destiny "out there" somewhere. If we destroy the world along the way, oh well.
It is my belief that the miracle does not reside in some off-world god or cold singularity ... the miracle is here all around us. It's all a miracle. It is all sacred. This is the original human recognition and in our impudent adolescence we have sought to stamp it out of existence. If we are unable to imagine life as anything other than a test, why can't it be a test of the beauty of becoming a fully human person of earth?
-ST
The biochemistry of friendship can be equally a mystery, unlike perhaps infatuation, which makes evolutionary sense when it leads to copulation, or brown-nosing ingratiation, which may prove almost as advantageous. We need allies and thus want friends too, an evolutionist could say. But some friendships are just useful for empathy, not promotion or advancement or battlefield buddy-protection. And empathy is a mystery—a charitable outlet, not merely self-aggrandizing—and how we exult while birds arrow overhead, yelling through the winds, navigating by magnetic fields, the angularity of sun and stars, flock dynamics, and a landscape memory bank we still don’t understand. We can’t eat them, they’re gone, yet part of us exults, much as the marbling of a moonlit sky or the scent of cedar trees uplifts our mood. This wider span of responsiveness indicates affinities we haven’t catalogued, as though already we sense we’ll be repaying our infinitesimal loan from the universal energy pool pretty soon. Like the spume on top of a wave, we’ll slide underneath again. The affection we sometimes feel for many other species, wild or tame, helps define or signify that “universal sympathy,” as Thomas Mann in his last book described it. I hope to fortify foreign protoplasm, in my turn, as a root buds a stem or a tadpole a leg, without forethought.
[Death is] nothing else than a dissolution of the elements of which every living being is compounded. But if there is no harm to the elements themselves in each continually changing into another, why should anyone have any apprehension about the change and dissolution of all the elements? For it is according to nature, and nothing is evil that is according to nature.
Jeff wrote:Along these lines -
I've been rereading Marcus Aurelius, because I think Stoicism has a lot to say to our time. (Which I'm beginning to name the Apocalyzoic Era.) His definition of death particularly struck me, contra Kurzweil:[Death is] nothing else than a dissolution of the elements of which every living being is compounded. But if there is no harm to the elements themselves in each continually changing into another, why should anyone have any apprehension about the change and dissolution of all the elements? For it is according to nature, and nothing is evil that is according to nature.
It is the body which is immortal. It only changes its form after clinical death, remaining within the flow of life in new shapes. The body is not concerned with “the afterlife” or any kind of permanency. It struggles to survive and multiply NOW. The fictitious “beyond”, created by thought out of fear, is really the demand for more of the same, in modified form. This demand for repetition of the same thing over and over again is the demand for permanence. Such permanence is foreign to the body. Thought’s demand for permanence is choking the body and distorting perception. Thought sees itself as not just the protector of its own continuity, but also of the body’s continuity. Both are utterly false.
- From http://www.seekeraftertruth.com/ug-krishnamurti-the-certainty-that-blasts-everything
norton ash wrote:Edward Hoagland on nature, sympathy, empathy and why he'd really rather end up (and begin again) as lovely, organic, dirty worm food. [REFER.]
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/03/0082413The biochemistry of friendship can be equally a mystery, unlike perhaps infatuation, which makes evolutionary sense when it leads to copulation, or brown-nosing ingratiation, which may prove almost as advantageous. We need allies and thus want friends too, an evolutionist could say. But some friendships are just useful for empathy, not promotion or advancement or battlefield buddy-protection. And empathy is a mystery—a charitable outlet, not merely self-aggrandizing—and how we exult while birds arrow overhead, yelling through the winds, navigating by magnetic fields, the angularity of sun and stars, flock dynamics, and a landscape memory bank we still don’t understand. We can’t eat them, they’re gone, yet part of us exults, much as the marbling of a moonlit sky or the scent of cedar trees uplifts our mood. This wider span of responsiveness indicates affinities we haven’t catalogued, as though already we sense we’ll be repaying our infinitesimal loan from the universal energy pool pretty soon. Like the spume on top of a wave, we’ll slide underneath again. The affection we sometimes feel for many other species, wild or tame, helps define or signify that “universal sympathy,” as Thomas Mann in his last book described it. I hope to fortify foreign protoplasm, in my turn, as a root buds a stem or a tadpole a leg, without forethought.
Jeff wrote:Along these lines -
I've been rereading Marcus Aurelius, because I think Stoicism has a lot to say to our time. (Which I'm beginning to name the Apocalyzoic Era.) His definition of death particularly struck me, contra Kurzweil: [REFER.][Death is] nothing else than a dissolution of the elements of which every living being is compounded. But if there is no harm to the elements themselves in each continually changing into another, why should anyone have any apprehension about the change and dissolution of all the elements? For it is according to nature, and nothing is evil that is according to nature.
Bryter wrote:Reminded me of something UG Krishnamurti said (not to be confused with Jiddu Krishnamurti!) [REFER.]It is the body which is immortal. It only changes its form after clinical death, remaining within the flow of life in new shapes. The body is not concerned with “the afterlife” or any kind of permanency. It struggles to survive and multiply NOW. The fictitious “beyond”, created by thought out of fear, is really the demand for more of the same, in modified form. This demand for repetition of the same thing over and over again is the demand for permanence. Such permanence is foreign to the body. Thought’s demand for permanence is choking the body and distorting perception. Thought sees itself as not just the protector of its own continuity, but also of the body’s continuity. Both are utterly false.
- From http://www.seekeraftertruth.com/ug-krishnamurti-the-certainty-that-blasts-everything
born 1904, German-born author, art and film theorist, perceptual psychologist, Rudolf Arnheim wrote:Nothing is more humbling than to look with a strong magnifying glass at an insect so tiny that the naked eye sees only the barest speck, and to discover that nevertheless it is sculpted and articulated and striped with the same care and imagination as a zebra. Apparently it does not occur to nature whether or not a creature is within our range of vision, and the suspicion arises that even the zebra was not designed for our benefit. [REFER.]
Allegro wrote:.
The three quotes directly above have been stacked here for reference, and I've added a fourth at the bottom. The quotes are not the entirety of—but point to—my personal cosmology, the persistence of which is, as you might understand, being unconcealed right in front of my nose, right here at RI.
~ A.
<snip>born 1904, German-born author, art and film theorist, perceptual psychologist, Rudolf Arnheim wrote:Nothing is more humbling than to look with a strong magnifying glass at an insect so tiny that the naked eye sees only the barest speck, and to discover that nevertheless it is sculpted and articulated and striped with the same care and imagination as a zebra. Apparently it does not occur to nature whether or not a creature is within our range of vision, and the suspicion arises that even the zebra was not designed for our benefit. [REFER.]
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