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Re: <5

Postby crikkett » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Reactions to 'enigma' in this thread remind me in some ways of myriadsmallcreatures and her 8-pointed star. She didn't do 'enigma' right. Mike, I look forward to your PDFs.

Could be that sleeping on the ice above Lake Vostock is simply an allegorical model of the conscious and subconscious mind.
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Re: <5

Postby BrandonD » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:53 pm

barracuda wrote:No doubt. And the proscription against "self-aggrandising drama queens" kinda puts me out of the running for a much-hoped-for networking with the fellows at SAIC. Oh well.

    Possible precognitive messaging arising from synamorphic analogues in the visual variations germinated from an image of a duck.

    1. Look-a-likes

    Things are similar to other things, they look like other things. There exist infinite classes of things which look much like one another, and a continuum of objects which move towards and away from ideal resemblance. These resemblances inhabit spectrums of variety, complexity, and nearness or completeness to ideal similarity. Two coins of the same denomination, date and condition may be virtually indistinguishable from one another no matter how familiar the viewer is with the two objects. In fact one may not, without some form of imposed marking or index, be able to tell them apart at all. They are then, interchangable within the catalog of objects one encounters - for most purposes, identical, and if no reason exists to do otherwise, they will be treated as such, both within the context of memory and external world reality. If we need a dime, we reach in our pocket, pull out a hndful of coins and choose any of the very nearly identical members of the class of dimes from our choices mostly without care for discrimination.

    There are also objects which contain visually aspects which are nearly duplicate in some degree or aspect. If encountered in a reductive manner, the silhouette of a coin and that of a basketball or a hubcap are near perfect analogues of roundness. Without further clues, these objects might be indistiguishable, or mistaken one for the other, or at the very least overlayed perfectly one upon the other if properly aligned within the framework of the rules of representative perspective.

    2. Pattern overlay

    Consciousness is basically a persistent overlay of consecutive visual afterimages consisting of the world-bubble which surrounds us at each mind-moment. This is an artifact of the highly visual evolution of the brain, which not only can store each of these extremely complex bubble images, but is optimised to do so to the exclusion of nearly all other sensory inputs. Naturally, the experience of your surroundings in this way lags behind actual events some measurable amount, but generally, this lag is small enough to permit reaction, registration and accuracy of mobile responses. There are other, co-incident spheres of input: the aural bubble, the olfactory bubble, the "feeling" bubble, and the priopeceptive amalgam, among others. But the visual has primacy. Mentation, mentioned by justdrew above, is the percolation of the symbolic language which allows for communication and organisation of the subsequent decisions.

    Each world-bubble is extremely similar to the ones before and after it, just as each frame of a film is extremely similar to those on either side of it. The appearance of continuous reality is a result of a continual pattern overlay and shape-to-shape similarity matching performed at staggering pprocessing speeds, billions of moments per second of consciousness.This overlay must be accelerated a small amount through the blending ability of anticipatiory thought invention, which, like an in-betweener in the field of cel animation, automatically traces the logical series from one frame of major action to the next.

    3. Data churn within the brute-force attack of object resolving within recognition decision-making

    So behind the skein of flickering visual representation and pattern contiguence which makes up consciousness, re-cognition of objects within the visual field is happening virtually within each moment on the smallest time frame allowable by the system. Each object within the world-bubble is compared in a brute-force attack to every other object stored in memory, primarily as a rough visual contour or outline to determine the degree of familiarity to previously stored information. Incongruities are discarded en mass, and similarities retained for further comparative processing and analysis. This process, bulky though it may sound, streamlines the scope of recognition considerably, for their are in reality fewer rough configurations than it might seem, and once a pattern match is acheived, the mind can hold onto that recognition as long as the particular object is in the visual field. If the object leaves the visual field for just long enough, the mind experiences a sort of re-recognition with each new aquaintance, and the slight shock resulting from a pattern match can be felt over and over again. This slight shock of the nervous system from recognition moment to recognition moment is an integral part of the feeling of being alive at all.

    This brute force attack is only possible due to the huge number of dynamic synaptic connections throughour the brain, though it would seem to be a probable factor in the sensory apparatus of all decision-making creatures.

    Each decision is a result of the analysis of these vast comparative processes, and within the range of these decisions are a varying degree of accuracy. This fudge factor results in any number of anomalous perceptions, such as paradoilia, optical illusions, and mistaken recognitions of all sorts. The sorting out of the illusions and errors is the action of truth seeking in its most basic form, and the recognition of truth creates another shade to the gradient of human consciousness.

    4. The duck

    Let's say you encounter a duck within your visual field:

    Image

    Your brain forces a series of images to overlay the duck, in a desperate attempt to make sense of the meaningless chaotic form presented from the raw data influx. Perhaps it overlays a partial face:

    Image

    And then subsequently overlays perhaps a strangely shaped ink spill, or some fragment of the oddly shaped tentacles of an octopus. Each iteration combines with the existing contour data to re-establish varying degrees of familiarity and isomorphism to allow for recognition and decision making to occur. However, the panopoly of overlaiden image artifacts bleed into one another, forcing by combination and slight errors novel ideas to surface, still chained to the pre-existing clade mesh, but fanning out in a creative blossom of churning mandala imageries.

    Image

    This potpourri of fleeting combinations persists even in the presence of a pronounced quacking noise.

    5. Visual iterations in the dream state and their similarities with external event-objects

    The ability of the mind to reconfigure the world-bubble for novel representation within the dream state is a residual feature of human awareness. The dream exercises the pattern overlay processes to fine tune their accuracy for the waking existence by allowing a free exchange of these overlays, all of which are remnants of persistent visual cues from actual input. There are no mental images which are truely novel, just as there is no true invention in dreams, but merely the recombination of artifacts, no matter how disparate or shocking. Each and every image and item in the dream world has its relevant synamorph in the catalog of visual experience compiled during waking life. That is to say, a characteristic of the dream object is obtained by reference to an ancestor among the stored memories of the sensory world bubble clades generated by actual visual perception.

    5. Probability and the foreseeable future

    The sheer volume of anticipatory visual iterations produced in the brain in order to create recognition amongst highly similar contours produces an effect in which precognitive artifacts are of necessity realised as a distinct subset of all the churned data. Our truth-seeking faculties can make approximate and exacting contrasts to events which we have anticipated - those events stand out from the froth of all imagined events present in the dream overlays, and tip forward to the furthest reaches of our anticipatory abilities, even into the realm of the actual events of the real world.



Quite a lot of questionable assertions in that treatise, assertions stated as fact and yet sitting upon mountains of unacknowledged assumptions. IMO.
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Re: <5

Postby Plutonia » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:06 pm

compared2what? wrote:Michael Cherni's Experience
Group Chief, Special Operations Division
...

Websites:
SAIC: From Science to Solution



Wait what?!

SAIC? That's these guys :

The work involved a contract to manage an employment timekeeping system called CityTime. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York has alleged that “a massive and elaborate scheme to defraud the city” corrupted the program, and it charged Gerard Denault, SAIC’s lead project manager on the program, with receiving at least $5 million in illegal kickbacks.

Carl Bell, a chief systems engineer for SAIC, pleaded guilty to multiple charges related to the scheme and receiving millions in kickbacks.

Earlier this year, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg called on SAIC to reimburse the city for the entire amount it has paid over an 11-year period — more than $600 million — and to pay the costs of the investigation.

Walter P. Havenstein, SAIC’s chief executive, said in a memo to employees Monday that Deborah Alderson, president of the company’s defense solutions group; John Lord, her deputy; and Peter Dube, general manager of the enterprise and mission solutions business, have been removed from their positions and are no longer with the company.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html


AKA the poster boys of the Security Grifters set: http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/ ... prise.html

So the Q is - what "special operations" Mike?
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Re: <5

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:58 pm

^^

this one also


http://www.legitgov.org/dc_madam_update_110907.html

'DC Madam' confirms Ronald Roughead of SAIC was a customer --Palfrey Asserts "Honey Pot" Defense


By Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org
11 Sep 2007

Citizens for Legitimate Government (CLG) has learned that so-called DC Madam, Deborah Jeane Palfrey, 'confirms for the first time that another individual with very high government security clearance -- Ronald Roughead of SAIC -- was also a customer.'

At the hearing on Friday, Judge Kessler adjourned the matter without setting a date to allow her time to consider whether she would allow Montgomery Blair Sibley to appear as Jeane Palfrey's counsel in this matter. Briefing on that issue is schedule to be completed by September 26.

However, not wanting to delay this matter further, Palfrey has filed pro se this morning a pleading of note. That pleading explains the factual basis for invoking the Classified Information Procedures Act and is entitled Memorandum of Fact In Support of Motion for Pretrial Conference to Consider Matters Relating to Classified Information. That Memo details Palfrey's basis for raising the "Honey Pot" defense in which she alleges that the United States Government has been directly or indirectly benefiting from the operation of her service by monitoring her customers and is thus equitably barred from prosecuting her. In that Memo, Palfrey identifies not only already-known customers of the escort service -- Senator Vitter, Randall Tobias of USAID and Harland Ullman -- but also confirms for the first time that another individual with very high government security clearance -- Ronald Roughead of SAIC -- was also a customer. This nexus of CIA backed USAID, Senator Vitter on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and two beltway bandits appears to be more than a coincidence. An fine article detailing these relationships can be found at Yardbird.com.



and this one

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/notebook/2004/11/11_200-2.html

Schakowsky's fears were realized at Abu Ghraib. Long before the infamous prison became a household name, the U.S. Justice Department awarded the research and engineering company SAIC a contract to help reconstruct the Iraqi prison system. SAIC in turn hired four former corrections officials from the United States who had been involved in prisoner-abuse cases. One of them, Gary DeLand, once ran a Utah jail where a mentally ill inmate arrested for nonviolent disorderly conduct was held naked and alone for 56 days without lights, recreation, windows, bedding, or a toilet -- and without a hearing. Both SAIC and officials at the Justice Department have declined to comment.

None of the four officials have been directly implicated in the Abu Ghraib torture allegations. But the military's investigations of Abu Ghraib did conclude that employees of two other private contractors, CACI International interrogator Steven Stefanowicz and Titan Corp. translator Adel Nakhla, had participated in the abuses. In particular, the report compiled by Maj. General Antonio Taguba noted that Stefanowicz ordered military police to use interrogation techniques that "equated to physical abuse." More recently, an Army investigation concluded that four CACI and Titan employees actively participated in detainee abuse, including assault and possibly rape. The employees received "little, if any, training on the Geneva Conventions," said the report. Both companies have repeatedly denied wrongdoing on the part of their workers.


and this

Spoonamore Confronts Maryland Board of Elections Over SAIC Report

http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/taxonomy/term/4297

Stephen Spoonamore
Newly Released Video: Spoonamore Confronts Maryland Board of Elections Over SAIC Report

The following video was posted on the Velvet Revolution site on 27 August 2008.

It documents Stephen Spoonamore's confrontation of the Maryland Board of Elections with an unredacted version of the "Risk Assessment Report" of Diebold's electronic voting systems as commissioned by the state of Maryland from the Scientific Applications International Corporation (SAIC) in 2003." as reported on Brad Blog 11/5/06. Those who commissioned the report were provided only a 40 page redact and limited to 'borrowing' a copy of the full 200 page document, Diebold considered it such sensitive material.
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Re: <5

Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:02 pm

BrandonD wrote:Quite a lot of questionable assertions in that treatise, assertions stated as fact and yet sitting upon mountains of unacknowledged assumptions. IMO.


Subtext. Or at least that's how I understood it.

barracuda wrote:Possible precognitive messaging arising from synamorphic analogues in the visual variations germinated from an image of a duck.


Seriously, that was totally dazzling, from start to finish, including the double-plus dazzling

Image

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compared2what? wrote:I like Mike Cherni.

Hey, Mike Cherni! I like you.


^No subtext intended. I was just liking Mike Cherni.

crikkett wrote:Reactions to 'enigma' in this thread remind me in some ways of myriadsmallcreatures and her 8-pointed star.


I don't know about that.***

But by my standards, that's not really even the same game when it's played with good sportsmanship. So even if it was, it wouldn't be at this point. By my standards. In which case, why borrow trouble from the future? I mean, that backfires just as inevitably when you see the future trouble coming clairvoyantly as when you don't, has The Twilight Zone taught us nothing?

***By which I mean, quite simply and unsubtextually that, um, I don't know about it. In case that isn't clear.
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Re: <5

Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:04 pm

SAIC is huge and employs many, many people to do all the many, many useful and innocent things that they might be qualified to do, being well able to afford it.
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Re: <5

Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:15 pm

You guys do realize that an SAIC-contracted spook would not post a LinkedIn page listing his SAIC experience within 24 hours of showing a little leg on a conspiracy-theory-oriented internet discussion board unless, for some reason, he was mining for nuggets of data that could only be obtained from material like:

Plutonia wrote:
compared2what? wrote:Michael Cherni's Experience
Group Chief, Special Operations Division
...

Websites:
SAIC: From Science to Solution



Wait what?!

SAIC? That's these guys :

The work involved a contract to manage an employment timekeeping system called CityTime. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York has alleged that “a massive and elaborate scheme to defraud the city” corrupted the program, and it charged Gerard Denault, SAIC’s lead project manager on the program, with receiving at least $5 million in illegal kickbacks.

Carl Bell, a chief systems engineer for SAIC, pleaded guilty to multiple charges related to the scheme and receiving millions in kickbacks.

Earlier this year, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg called on SAIC to reimburse the city for the entire amount it has paid over an 11-year period — more than $600 million — and to pay the costs of the investigation.

Walter P. Havenstein, SAIC’s chief executive, said in a memo to employees Monday that Deborah Alderson, president of the company’s defense solutions group; John Lord, her deputy; and Peter Dube, general manager of the enterprise and mission solutions business, have been removed from their positions and are no longer with the company.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html


AKA the poster boys of the Security Grifters set: http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/ ... prise.html

So the Q is - what "special operations" Mike?


Am I right? In which case, the last thing anybody who wasn't a patsyan easy mark or a shill would want to do was post that material, am I still right?

^No insinuation intended. But let's not get all worked up here, come on.
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Re: <5

Postby crikkett » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:29 pm

compared2what? wrote:Michael Cherni's Languages

English
(Native or bilingual proficiency)
Spanish
(Limited working proficiency)
French
(Elementary proficiency)
German
(Elementary proficiency)
Japanese
(Elementary proficiency)
Korean
(Elementary proficiency)
Chinese
(Elementary proficiency)
Russian
(Elementary proficiency)
Swahili
(Elementary proficiency)
Ebonics
(Limited working proficiency)


Ebonics? Really?
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Re: <5

Postby Simulist » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:33 pm

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Re: <5

Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:40 pm

crikkett wrote:
compared2what? wrote:Michael Cherni's Languages

English
(Native or bilingual proficiency)
Spanish
(Limited working proficiency)
French
(Elementary proficiency)
German
(Elementary proficiency)
Japanese
(Elementary proficiency)
Korean
(Elementary proficiency)
Chinese
(Elementary proficiency)
Russian
(Elementary proficiency)
Swahili
(Elementary proficiency)
Ebonics
(Limited working proficiency)


Ebonics? Really?


My point. Because that's not the only such touch.

I mean, fun is fun, as long as nobody (or until somebody) gets hurt. So what's not to like?
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Re: <5

Postby Simulist » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:41 pm

compared2what? wrote:In which case, the last thing anybody who wasn't a patsyan easy mark or a shill would want to do was post that material, am I still right?

Being an "easy mark" isn't something that looks real "nice-like" on a résumé, but given my extensive experience as such to data-miners, nose-miners, and similar other probable spooks I have no choice but to enthusiastically agree.
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Re: <5

Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:29 pm

Everyone's an easy mark, afaik. I sure am. But, you know. Most have good enough some-people-some-of-the-time-but-not-all-people-all-of-the-time coverage not to sustain too much damage most of the time. And since the few who don't never know another way, a fair number of them end up doing okay too. At least as far as they're aware. So it's not all that bad. Except sometimes. Then it is.

But whatever. I'd much rather be a naive sucker than a cynic anyway. Which is good. Because I don't actually have any choice about it.

ON EDIT: There's no shame in being an easy mark some of the time, imo. So I totally didn't intend to shame anybody, and if I accidentally did, I apologize. That was just sheer obliviousness on my part. I was really only trying to say that particular fear was very likely not justified as quickly and cleanly (and, on accident, insensitively) as I could, in order to forestall any very-likely-to-be undue anxieties.

Sigh. I really fucking hate myself for good reasons a lot more often than I'd like.
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Re: <5

Postby barracuda » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:35 pm

BrandonD wrote:Quite a lot of questionable assertions in that treatise, assertions stated as fact and yet sitting upon mountains of unacknowledged assumptions. IMO.


You are perfectly right. I just didn't see a big penalty clause for dispensing with aspects of evidentiality, so please feel free to substitute whatever auxilliary verbs you require to satisfy your personal comfort needs.
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Postby Perelandra » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:02 pm

Disregarding much of the above for the moment, all the fuss from the OP seems excessive for a fairly common phenomenon like a precognitive dream, albeit about a very public traumatic event. It will be interesting to see if there's anything to come that jaw-droppingly proves all that necessary.
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Re: <5

Postby Plutonia » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:19 pm

What you say makes sense C2W. But then there is Aaron Barr.

Look, here he is fitting in at OWS - yes that's the Wikileaks truck behind him:

Image


Still 'n all, it is weird and hard to read. Of note is the spike in interest since the LinkedIn post. And the forth-coming pdf: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/04 ... f-malware/
Could be some kind of testing. Or phishing. I dunno.

Also, what barracuda said.




compared2what? wrote:You guys do realize that an SAIC-contracted spook would not post a LinkedIn page listing his SAIC experience within 24 hours of showing a little leg on a conspiracy-theory-oriented internet discussion board unless, for some reason, he was mining for nuggets of data that could only be obtained from material like:

Plutonia wrote:
compared2what? wrote:Michael Cherni's Experience
Group Chief, Special Operations Division
...

Websites:
SAIC: From Science to Solution



Wait what?!

SAIC? That's these guys :

The work involved a contract to manage an employment timekeeping system called CityTime. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York has alleged that “a massive and elaborate scheme to defraud the city” corrupted the program, and it charged Gerard Denault, SAIC’s lead project manager on the program, with receiving at least $5 million in illegal kickbacks.

Carl Bell, a chief systems engineer for SAIC, pleaded guilty to multiple charges related to the scheme and receiving millions in kickbacks.

Earlier this year, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg called on SAIC to reimburse the city for the entire amount it has paid over an 11-year period — more than $600 million — and to pay the costs of the investigation.

Walter P. Havenstein, SAIC’s chief executive, said in a memo to employees Monday that Deborah Alderson, president of the company’s defense solutions group; John Lord, her deputy; and Peter Dube, general manager of the enterprise and mission solutions business, have been removed from their positions and are no longer with the company.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html


AKA the poster boys of the Security Grifters set: http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/ ... prise.html

So the Q is - what "special operations" Mike?


Am I right? In which case, the last thing anybody who wasn't a patsyan easy mark or a shill would want to do was post that material, am I still right?

^No insinuation intended. But let's not get all worked up here, come on.
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