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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:33 am

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1. The mission cost $1 trillion dollars, yet every person on it behaves so unforgivably stupid, including Weyland.

a. Why would Weyland go in person to meet an alien if he doesn't know in advance how it would react? Oligarchs usually have a better self-preservation instinct.

b. The geologist brings in his "PUPS" to map the building, but then gets lost and can't find his way out, even though this is the future and all kinds of mapping and tracking technologies exist. A look at the 3D schematic reveals the building to be of a relatively simplistic design.

c. You go into an alien building on an alien planet with alien artifacts, so naturally you must : TOUCH EVERYTHING!

d. Why didn't they send bots in to scout things out first? They had David. Why not send him in alone? Why not subject David to closer scrutiny? David demonstrates signs of actually being sentient in the way that humans are. Why would he bother to make come-backs to insults, unless he developed an ego? Part of his programming for realism? In a sense, one could argue that this is a 2001 Space Odyssey reload, with David as HAL, maliciously sabotaging his human masters at every term because he resents being created by them . . . explicitly for the purpose of serving them, when he himself is superior in so many ways. He does make the comment about children wanting to kill their parents . . . yet this has NO resonance with any of the humans. That still doesn't explain why he's allowed to get away with doing all sorts of suspicious things with NO scrutiny or consequences. Poisoning Holloway was just unforgivably dumb. I suppose you could frame it as an "error" in his programming, but that's kind of a cop-out. You might even argue that he's responsible for tricking Weyland into going to meet the Engineer in person, but I don't think the Weyland character would be that stupid, seeing is how he wants to live. Maybe David even insults the Engineer, or tells him that the humans are coming to kill the Engineers, and this is why the Engineer goes berserk. We have no translation of what David said to the Engineer. Ironically, for me, the ambiguities surrounding David's actions were the only redeeming quality of this otherwise execrable film. Had David not been in the film, it wouldn't even be worth discussing.

e. The alien proto-face-hugger impregnated into Shaw gestates pretty quickly. Fine. But then it goes from the size of a cantalope to the size of a giant squid in only a few hours . . . having eaten presumably NOTHING! Where is it getting its energy from? The atmosphere? Did it stumble on a fuel source aboard the ship and use it to fuel its accelerated growth? I must call BULLSHIT on this gimmick. This isn't science. It's magic. Lifeforms may rapidly expand in size on a micro-scale, but not on a macro-scale. They need time, energy, fuel, etc.

f. Every life-form was implaccably hostile to human life. Of course! Because all non-human life-forms on Earth automatically attack and devour everything in sight with no thought to their own safety.

g. The first thing the Engineer does upon confronting non-hostile humanoid beings talking to it politely in its own language is . . . ATTACK them! Of course! There's no point in gathering information, engaging in a parley, as a supposedly superior form of life, you must devolve into a B-movie monster and kill, kill, kill. Maybe he was offended by David's presence? Maybe the creation of AI broke an Engineer taboo? Maybe the figures decribed as Engineers are nothing more than "bio-mechanoid" killers, who are basically warriors who carry out the commands of the real Engineers. Even so, warriors are sophisticated enough to get intel before going on a rampage. It also seems unlikely that he was the only survivor. There were other ships, and other stasis pods that appeared undamaged.

h. The Prometheus ship has NO weapons? No missiles? No lasers? Nothing? All it can do is suicide crash into the Alien ship? The Alien ship has no defenses? What about auto-pilot? Why was it necessary for 3 people to self-sacrifice just to direct a ship at another ship? No software in the future?

There are many more things that can be picked out and critiqued.

Long story short: this movie had no brain. Only special effects, which, really, are no big deal in this day and age, since they are all computer-generated.


Not to mention

1. The engineers worship a giant Alien xenomorph queen, or at least depict on on their engravings at the beginning. YET we're lead to believe that an engineer mixed with a giant trilobyte facehugger squid thing(bore out of a human by way of a mutated human+goo worm thing) =a baby xenomorph(that ending cheesed me out so bad, I felt the scene from Spaceballs was done better)

2. If in every alien film Xenomorphs have to do with the shape of the host, how does a squid+doofus borg looking guy produce a spidery black alien? The FIRST alien in the original film looked very humanoid(the fingers, walked upright, had a human skull you could see), so it makes sense that came from being mixed with a person. The space jockey pilot was massive in the first Alien, and I somehow doubt Scott intended the exoskeleton to be just a suit back then. I do understand the crashing of the ship and the LV planet is not the same at all of the chest bursted jockey in the Derelict ship nor the planet in the 1979 film.

3. But how can an unknown alien ship sustain Noomi Rapace's characters life? Between the soaring hammy music and her and the David robot head soaring off and then the goofy looking baby alien...Im like "yeah Im done with this franchise".

There's more plot holes here than Arlington cemetary




82_28 wrote:Fucking sucked. Saw it tonight. Not really much to report about it. Very formulaic and keeps a haphazard effort at keeping a brand alive. That's my review. It sucks.


Couldn't agree more. Biggest letdown since Phantom Menace.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:44 am

82_28 wrote:
I think what resonated most with me after seeing Prometheus this weekend was the lack of drive, passion, curiosity in all the characters.
You would think going to see your creators, and then finding them, would be of some interest to the people on the ship. Nope, not really.
Everyone is just a job now. "I just fly the ship." "I'm just here for the money and I fucking love rocks" "I'm the biologist" (but I want to go back to the ship when their is the possibility of real life).
"I'm the ceo of the company, etc" It felt like everyone was telling everyone else constantly "I'm just a temp, I'm not responsible." If I remember correctly, in the first Alien film the crew was a mining ship and you could excuse a lack of exuberance with them, but I remember there was much more bonhomie and engagement with them.


This is precisely, right here why all I could muster was "It fucking sucked".

However. . .

Possibly, it was a parable of our time and we're being too clever by half. Our space-faring-ness (as inhabitants of Earth) and quasi out of control pessimistic economy. Perhaps it was saying that "down this path" a trillion dollars will be spent to not give a shit. Kinda like now. Ya know?


Well Obama has officially killed the NASA little children grew in awe of and dreamt of. Space exploratio and "NASA" is dead, long live NASA as a total defense weapon black op project.

And yeah there just is increasingly less and less solid big budget movies these days. A film that cost 7 thousand dollars like Primer(2004) is a thousand times more intriguing to me than this utter mess called Prometheus. I think Ridley Scott, the once great master *and* this film is a product of our times. All touch screen high tech gizmos and explosions, no real substance. Even the "action" and revelations happen in the all too familiar herky jerky random instant fashion we're so used to now. I actually think Event Horizon is way better than Prometheus

I envy people here being old enough to have gotten to see the classic sci fi films of the 70's and early 80's.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby barracuda » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:45 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:Ever tried mushrooms?


It's been a while, to be honest. In the neighborhood of ten years, I'd say. I can't figure out how to cop 'em anymore. Can't say I was ever consistently talented in that regard, though. Too uninformed to hunt for 'em in the wild, too scared and ignorant to cultivate, and not really hooked up with any dealers. I welcome suggestions, though, 'cause I know what you mean.

More seriously, though: why do you suppose it is that the capabilities of CGI technology are so seldom pushed, pulled and taken advantage of? What are the economic problems that keep the CGI flame of the Hollywood Gods out of the hands of independent Prometheus types?


I think the best CGI is undetectable, in a way. In Prometheus, this was anything but the case. There were a few times when it was impolitely staring right at you. There were even some more traditional effects in the film I didn't find entirely satisfying, such as the messy matte line around Fassbinder's neck at the end of the film. I don't mind that sort of thing if the production is unassuming and "honest" about what it is, but when the gloss of the high-end render is more important than the more prosaic aspects of the film - like plot and character, for instance - then I just wanna know how much money they spent and see lotsa flash.

tl:dr, because it's hard to do well under the best of circumstances like most things in film.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby justdrew » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:32 am

well, apparently there was a lot cut, dont know how much of what was cut was shot, but I'd expect a much longer "directors cut" in the not too distant future.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby semper occultus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 am

barracuda wrote:In the latest film, the recurring leitmotif of the disembodied head which the director returns to again and again speaks to this idea: the decapitated head of the god-alien, the giant head encountered in the labyrinth of the mound structure, the head of the android torn off by the god-alien, the heads of the crew suspended within their helmet-globes. In each case, the head must be enclosed, put in a sack, placed in containment - this is the act of removing and hiding the higher qualities of morality and intellect.


..thanks for picking up on this...I was struck by the use of severed head symbology...although in the fate of the replicant ( repeating / prefiguring that of Ash in "Alien" ) the disemobodied android head/CPU becomes a tecnnological equivalent of the ancient oracular heads - David guiding the quest & Ash as the mocking soothsayer treacherously "predicting" Ripley's ultimate doom at the hand of the Xenomorpic nemesis...

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:25 am

8bitagent wrote:I actually think Event Horizon is way better than Prometheus


Its heaps better. (Someone mentioned the lack of weapons in Prometheus. At least in event horizon they tried to use those massive rivet guns as weapons.)

Not that I've seen it.

Peregrine, there may be an imax about 150 km away, and another 300 ish km away, but i actually thought they'd closed, and the iMax site doesn't refer to them so they are probably gone. But I live somewhere on the other side of this mountain:

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:37 am

barracuda wrote:
Wombaticus Rex wrote:Ever tried mushrooms?


It's been a while, to be honest. In the neighborhood of ten years, I'd say. I can't figure out how to cop 'em anymore. Can't say I was ever consistently talented in that regard, though. Too uninformed to hunt for 'em in the wild, too scared and ignorant to cultivate, and not really hooked up with any dealers. I welcome suggestions, though, 'cause I know what you mean.


Are either or both of you guys referring to immense alien vistas in general. Cos I have to say there's a particularly Gigerian quality to some mushrooms I've had.

BTW "Cuda if you feel like coming to Australia in the next 4 to 9 months while its wet, i could show you a paddock or 400 full of them.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby semper occultus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:59 am

8bitagent wrote:
jlaw172364 wrote:.... :x ......


Not to mention........... :x

There's more plot holes here than Arlington cemetary


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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby barracuda » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:18 pm

Joe Hillshoist wrote: I have to say there's a particularly Gigerian quality to some mushrooms I've had.


Even his figural work has that feeling of seeing under the skin and into the true form that you sometimes get when the winds of aether blow across your vision field during the mushroom trip, revealing the inner fractal molecular complexities.

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BTW "Cuda if you feel like coming to Australia in the next 4 to 9 months while its wet, i could show you a paddock or 400 full of them.


Thanks for the invitation, Joe. Can't think of too many things I rather do than trip with Joe Hillshoist and maybe snorkel the Barrier Reef.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby Project Willow » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:29 pm

A satanic pentagram right in the middle of the oracle's third eye. Nothing very alien about that.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:19 pm

Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:23 pm

elfismiles wrote:Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html


I....was he on the same batch I was? Dang.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:50 pm

elfismiles wrote:Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html


Something tells me that I enjoyed reading that more than I'd enjoy watching the film.
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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby brekin » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:19 pm


82_28 wrote:
Fucking sucked. Saw it tonight. Not really much to report about it. Very formulaic and keeps a haphazard effort at keeping a brand alive. That's my review. It sucks.



8bit agent wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Biggest letdown since Phantom Menace.


Somebody had to say it. Sorry Ridley.

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Re: PROMETHEUS

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:59 pm

elfismiles wrote:Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html



Facinating.
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