"Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:57 am

justdrew » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:23 pm wrote:maha-samadhi is a nice way of saying suicide. (oh but I can make that comparison) (let's just say I take consideration also of the mistaken among us) if one is really so enlightened, just vanish please.

remember, if you think you can fly, TAKE OFF FROM THE GROUND FIRST.

are you with the SRF Ben?

True, the dualistic mind can compare, in fact it's practically a compulsion disorder with some....but please explain how you can know that maha-samadhi is akin to suicide to be able to make that call?

Are you actually referring to a real person who has claimed to be enlightened?

I looked up SRF...no, I don't do yoga these days...just still mind meditation...alone.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Sounder » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:04 am

..to be one with the cosmic source rather than mistake the ego mind's dualistic apparent reality as reality.

Well if that's where you are coming from, so be it....all the best.


It is both amusing and frustrating for folk to tell me what I think. Set it up, then knock it down. If that’s where I’m coming from?

Have you ever even read anything I have written? My whole sthick is to assert that the ego mind's dualistic apparent reality has only ever been and still is a very crude approximation of reality. As far as ‘being one with cosmic source’, I assume that I have lots to learn and this life provides some of this so I want to learn right here in this venue that cosmic source has placed me in. (It’s a way to show respect.)

(I prefer to show and not tell because that encourages folk to think for themselves, rather than to say straight out; ‘the ego mind’s dualistic apparent reality is not reality’.)

You say..."Our ‘problems’ are not due to ego, our problems arise from allowing ourselves to be a tool of ego rather than properly using ego as a tool of consciousness.".....please explain what and who it is that is allowing themselves to be used by ego rather than using ego?


If ego can be characterized as being the conscious aspect of mind, then our ‘problems’ stem from letting one (shallow) aspect of our psyches to claim dominance over the whole psyche. The follow on mistake then is to think that one has consciousness rather than that consciousness has you and you are but one expression of that consciousness.

So, call the ‘themselves’ the total expression of psyche, that is (if we have to label it), the combined aspects of psyche, the unconscious ground of being, the sub-conscious storehouse of information and the conscious mind.

An integrated psyche is open to learning, sourced from deeper aspects of psyche, perhaps from source itself, whereas the ego modeling aspect tends to fix categories and thereby inhibit connection to and information potentially coming from source.

After ‘rather than’ add; a generalized field of consciousness using ego to advance evolution of consciousness, to your sentence, then you have the sentence that I tried to give an answer to.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:59 am

Hmmm. Fascinating thread. Weird.

Saurian Tail said:
As my body goes to sleep, I begin to experience colors moving in and out of each other like a lava lamp. This last for a bit and as I go deeper I begin to receive very brief hypnagogic imagery. It could be an image of a whirlpool, a person, a car, a flying sensation. All kinds of very brief, but intense images


Since 2009, I have had a similar experience, but.. all the time - when I close my eyes. But the images are odd.
I've seen too many to count.

I've 'suffered' from this for nearly five years and finally began translating these images using watercolour (never done art in my life before) in Jan '14. When I look at them, it's as though someone else did them. I have considered them to be a transmission of some kind, as I have no idea where they come from.

I've put them online at a site of mine for friends and family, so if anyone at RI is interested, PM me and I'll send you the link.
I hope this doesn't sound like shameless self-promotion.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:56 am

Freitag wrote:
It could be worse, you could have Exploding Head Syndrome, like I do.


Thanks for that link, Freitag.

I get that too. Extremely loud. Makes me jump out of my skin. Can happen anytime (rarely) though, not just as drifting off to sleep.
I wonder if it's linked to this: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28247&p=516200&hilit=head#p516200
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby chump » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:48 pm

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sh ... #post86270
Numbers Stations

Has anyone heard of these "number stations"? It's something I stumbled upon...


http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/numbers-stations/

If you tune around on a shortwave radio, you might stumble across a voice reciting an endless stream of numbers. Just numbers, all day, everyday. These so-called “numbers stations,” say nothing about where they are transmitting from or who they are trying to reach, but they can be heard in Spanish, English, German, Russian, Chinese, and any number of other languages from around the world...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbwvpskgzI
(part 1 of 2) Behind The Static 2: Longer, Creepier, Uncut (Numbers Stations)[/quote]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Mimdjpbrk
(part 2 of 2) Behind The Static 2: Longer, Creepier, Uncut (Numbers Stations)
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby slimmouse » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:52 pm

Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest that our entire body acts like a radio, given the way that DNA itself is contructed?

Makes a lot of sense to me.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:34 pm

Sounder » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:04 pm wrote:
..to be one with the cosmic source rather than mistake the ego mind's dualistic apparent reality as reality.

Well if that's where you are coming from, so be it....all the best.


It is both amusing and frustrating for folk to tell me what I think. Set it up, then knock it down. If that’s where I’m coming from?

Have you ever even read anything I have written? My whole sthick is to assert that the ego mind's dualistic apparent reality has only ever been and still is a very crude approximation of reality. As far as ‘being one with cosmic source’, I assume that I have lots to learn and this life provides some of this so I want to learn right here in this venue that cosmic source has placed me in. (It’s a way to show respect.)

(I prefer to show and not tell because that encourages folk to think for themselves, rather than to say straight out; ‘the ego mind’s dualistic apparent reality is not reality’.)

You say..."Our ‘problems’ are not due to ego, our problems arise from allowing ourselves to be a tool of ego rather than properly using ego as a tool of consciousness.".....please explain what and who it is that is allowing themselves to be used by ego rather than using ego?


If ego can be characterized as being the conscious aspect of mind, then our ‘problems’ stem from letting one (shallow) aspect of our psyches to claim dominance over the whole psyche. The follow on mistake then is to think that one has consciousness rather than that consciousness has you and you are but one expression of that consciousness.

So, call the ‘themselves’ the total expression of psyche, that is (if we have to label it), the combined aspects of psyche, the unconscious ground of being, the sub-conscious storehouse of information and the conscious mind.

An integrated psyche is open to learning, sourced from deeper aspects of psyche, perhaps from source itself, whereas the ego modeling aspect tends to fix categories and thereby inhibit connection to and information potentially coming from source.

After ‘rather than’ add; a generalized field of consciousness using ego to advance evolution of consciousness, to your sentence, then you have the sentence that I tried to give an answer to.

To avoid frustration, look for the context to match the relevance of my response, my response is in logical sequence...you said "This is where I’m coming from:....", my response was.."Well if that's where you are coming from, so be it....all the best". Do you really have a problem with that?

Your response to my simple question."please explain what and who it is that is allowing themselves to be used by ego rather than using ego?" raises more questions than it answers.

I mean what is the actual reality represented by your terms.."shallow aspect of our psyches", "psyche", ":whole psyche", "combined aspects of psyche", " integrated psyche", "deeper aspects of psyche", "unconscious ground of being", "sub-conscious storehouse of information and the conscious mind", "conscious aspects of mind", "ego modeling aspect", etc..

Just try and provide a sentence or two that uses plain language to answer the question...then if there is a concept or two of which I am not sure of the reality they are meant to represent, we can soon get to the bottom of it.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:05 pm

slimmouse » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:52 am wrote:Would it be too much of a stretch to suggest that our entire body acts like a radio, given the way that DNA itself is contructed?

Makes a lot of sense to me.

As a simple analogy yes, rather like a transceiver operating simultaneously on many bands...the cosmic vibrational spectrum is infinite..and the esoteric traditions generally use seven as the number of bands/planes/chakras/dimensions/lokas in play wrt the human constitution interface with cosmos. As such, there would be analogues of what we call radio transmitters, receivers, antennas, demods and mods, etc., tuned to the relevant wavelengths of each of the cosmic frequency bands being interfaced with.

However there is more...the human being both responds to and acts on information as it processes it, so there is a android/drone factor to consider wrt the human body. The question of purpose of it all though is my special interest....
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:22 am

Some more of Stuart Hammeroff's understanding of the cosmic quantum consciousness underlying brain consciousness..

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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby justdrew » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:54 pm

connecting dots...
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=532058#p532058

If the Orch/OR theory is correct, it should be accessible within a few years (if not already) to construct a brain-like structure with neuron-analogs and microtubule proteins and support it's existence outside an entire body system, an artificial brain if you will, and if such a playing field is built, something should voluntarily enter into it most likely.

Wouldn't it be funny if mankind's first artificial brain when it's first switched fully on, wakes up and announces that it is currently hosting a portion of some dead man and he's got a lot to say. Who should that be? Einstein? Maybe some 'nobody' - has to be someone who lived within the last 100 years, who would be recognizable, speak a relatively unchanged language and able to provide verifiable info to authenticate it's identity.

anyway, story-seed aside, there must be some REASON why we don't already know and accept the reality of this. What is the reason or reasons?

possibilities:
1. perhaps there's "no reason to wait" - everyone could shuffle off this mortal coil and happily go on as disembodied entities at any time. Were this widely known, it would result in a global suicide epidemic of near-total proportions, and make killing generally seem less of a big deal. That would be a problem for "esthetic reasons" perhaps ethical reasons or practical reasons or? Perhaps the will-to-suicide overrides the default survival behavior of consciousness and allows a person to actually be killed-by-death (though not absolutely certain to result in KbD it may make it more possible (somewhat akin to turning off your computer without "properly shutting it down"))

2. This question seems to assume some coordinated and effective "conspiracy" that would involve parties on "both sides" agreeing to keep this knowledge fairly well suppressed. Should we be worried about that? Just how far might "they" go to keep this unknown?

3. all this talk of holograms glosses over a key point, a hologram doesn't look like anything, that is, remains in a purely unrealized potential state, until you shine some light on it. Now perhaps the "background noise" of the universe provides everywhere a modicum of available energy, but that would be at quite a low level. It may well be that some sort of periodic embodiment is required to allow the conscious entities to retain coherence long term, this based on the seeming likelihood that the embodiment process allows a net energy flow "up" to the holographic/quantum-entangled/whatever seat of consciousness. Energy input would be required to maintain and change the structure.

4. unfortunately this really opens up the possibility that "as below, so above" really means there MAY be some competition for energy resources taking place "up there" - while the "light of god" or whatever may well be sufficient to maintain the structures of individuality in a fairly unchanging state, to enable real motility and interactivity, may require infusions of more energy. The "universe" or World may well have been created to provide an effective method to provide for the energy needs of sustaining a growing population of individual loosely-separated entities. ie - the willing dissipation of god throughout it's creation to allow it to perceive itself from a near infinite variety of individual vantage points. All remains as a part of the whole, while also able to function with a fairly high degree of independence.

One way of thinking of this energy MAY be as stores of highly-ordered low-entropy which is expended to maintain the highly ordered structure of the 'higher self' - the fundamental sign of life is a system that works to maintain a zone of low entropy against the ravages of thermodynamic dissipative reality.

like if a highly complex cellular-automata structure existed it would likely want to maintain parts of itself that send off "Gliders" that provide causal energy to other parts of itself to 'function'

I wonder if anyone's ever done any work with cellular automata systems that have imperfect rule enforcement and virtual-pair creation/annihilation type stuff going on.

5. so, this maybe isn't entirely all "good news" necessarily.

6. entities can likely be classified in a hierarchy of "size" (aka total gross complexity of system, aka the total number of moving parts in the machine). So some Beings may be larger than others. Very Large Beings may even make deals to "feed" energy to smaller entities, on the understanding that the sponsored entity will go out and use a portion of it's activities to provide more energy up to the VLB. A spiritual ponzi scheme if you will.

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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby minime » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:46 pm

[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=541795#p541795]However there is more...the human being both responds to and acts on information as it processes it, so there is a android/drone factor to consider wrt the human body. The question of purpose of it all though is my special interest....[/quote]

Survival? Duration?
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby smoking since 1879 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:45 pm

we're all zombies to some degree.

describe, without looking, the chair you may now be sitting in.
intentionally stop your heart beating.
make your hair stand on end, like it's cold in here.

systems in systems
a useful illusion
its all in the signals

edit:
... and cosmic consciousness, that is so much BS.
you exist in your own dark skull, deal with it
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:26 pm

smoking since 1879 » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:45 am wrote:edit:
... and cosmic consciousness, that is so much BS.
you exist in your own dark skull, deal with it

The ego such as you are is, or mostly is...but do please show us your scientific understanding and explain how you know there is no consciousness in the omnipresent cosmic quantum vacuum/dark energy interpenetrating your brain such as Dr Hammeroff suggests?
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby Ben D » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:56 pm

minime » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:46 am wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=541795#p541795]However there is more...the human being both responds to and acts on information as it processes it, so there is a android/drone factor to consider wrt the human body. The question of purpose of it all though is my special interest....

Survival? Duration?[/quote]

More than that minime...to afford the opportunity to find out what and who you really are in the cosmic context. According to my present understanding, it goes something like this..our now unique state of being has devolved/descended through the higher vibrational realms from the ubiquitous dark energy/spirit of cosmos into the unique time - space dependent human to develop self awareness, and when the prerequisite degree of humility in the presence of cosmic consciousness has been realized, the self aware aspect evolved as a result of this devolution, ascends to the higher cosmic vibrational realms as an immortal.

Simply put...from unself-aware pure spiritual perfection --- to self-aware impure non-spiritual imperfection----to self ware pure spiritual perfection.
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Re: "Your Brain Works Like a Radio" and other mind matters

Postby BrandonD » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:59 pm

smoking since 1879 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:45 pm wrote:we're all zombies to some degree.

describe, without looking, the chair you may now be sitting in.
intentionally stop your heart beating.
make your hair stand on end, like it's cold in here.

systems in systems
a useful illusion
its all in the signals

edit:
... and cosmic consciousness, that is so much BS.
you exist in your own dark skull, deal with it


It's kind of funny that you brought up the specific examples that you did, I can intentionally produce goose bumps on my arms by thinking about it, and make my hair stand on end. I've shown it to my friends many times.

I've also slowed down my heartbeat through will, though this happened only once under peculiar circumstances and many years ago. I was in a doctor's office, lying down with a heart monitor attached to me. There was a readout of my heart-rate on a screen in my view. The doctors were out of the room, and for no other reason than a whim I decided to see if I could slow down my heartbeat. I managed to slow down my heartbeat so dramatically that an alarm went off and several physicians came into the room. I had to explain to them that I was just fine. If I've managed to slow my heartbeat in other instances, I had no external way of verifying it.

I think it is best not to make assumptions about what is known and unknown, possible and not possible.
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