Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[Truth4Youth]

I have to give my two cents on Icke, regardless how controversial it may be:

Icke MAY or MAY NOT be onto something with his "reptilian agenda" research. Remember that he is not going on the testimony of Arizona Wilder alone. I find it funny that so many people attack him for this, but never dare to say it about Jim Marrs who also seems to privately look into the matter. Here is an episode of Dreamland where Linda Moulton Howe talks about her and Jim Marrs research into incidents of reptilian "shapeshifting". she presents one case that is likely just an acid trip on the part of two idiots, but the very beginning is interesting as she mentions Jim Marrs. Here it is:

http://savefile.com/files/315192

[Truth4Youth]

I agree that this phenomena is more than just manipulation (mind control) by criminal elements in our government. Ther reason why is the phenomena of UFOs goes back centuries. In addition the phenomena of humanoid sightings dates back centuries as well. Take a look at the Humanoid Contact Database by Alberto Rosales:

http://iraap.org/rosales/

[slimmouse]

As a longstanding Icke supporter on this forum, might I just say this.

Had it not been for Icke and a good friend of mine who lent me a book of his , I would never have been able to even appreciate the idea that anyone who claimed ritual abuse was anything other than some kind of attention seeking fantacist.

Had it not been for Icke, and his years of pounding the streets for pennies ( having given up the cosiest and most envious of positions within the British MSM) I would never have been even remotely able to accept many of the other concepts suggested by Jeff and so many of the crowd here.

Had it not been for Icke, how many others would be oblivious to all of this ?

These are points which all those who castigate David Icke, for all of his percieved failings, might do well to take in consideration.

[Jewels1]

HEYYYY!! I GOT THRU!
sorry...

OK, PW, my webpage should be the www link at the bottom of my post if not it is http://www.jewels123.citymaker.com/home.html

Funny thing, I am if not a direct descendant of an Illuminati family, I have ancestors who had strong business (Oil) ties and friendship ties with the Rockefeller family. And I am NOT bragging. They are scum. Horse thieves and snake-oil salesmen who were "noticed" by the Rothschild family and "bettered" and of course there is the 'crude.' Plus much Freemason and CIA folks in there for good measure! (My family...)

As for the butterfly, I, myself, have not only a butterfly but also a Pegasus, tattoo. I also collect everything "butterfly" I can get my hands on...have since a young girl.

My webpage is very detailed as to what I can remember...I mean VERY detailed. I had to get the whole sick mess up before it choked the life outta me!! And, I didn't even remember the Monarch, MK_ULTRA MC stuff till a little over a year ago. Just being sexually and in all other ways abused, Worked through it for over 30 years now! (Warning, my webpage MAY be triggering.)

I do not believe in an Alien connection, a "reptilian" connection-other than that these people are operating out of the reptilian brain-the most primitive, of course. They have no scruples, morals, compassion, empathy or any other quality that quantifies a "human being." They are lower than animals. Just to clear up MY position on that. Those crackpots do a disservice to those of us who are sincere, with their dis-info campaigns! I know you have all heard this before but just so's we are on the same page!!

Take a look at my scribblings and see what you think, if you like.

[dbeach]

Hi Slim


"I LIKE IKE"

I mean Icke.

well IKE sorta warned us too about the "Military industrial complex"

then theres the IKE goes to the dentist story when he met with the visitors from some far away galaxy

and lots of the so named disinfo artists are MAYBE rattlin the PTB money tree.. plus laying out some truths mixed in with the balloney

MAYBE there are phenomenon in this Creation that are beyond the explanations offered by the high priests of govt ,science and religions..

I have witnessed such pheneomenon.

plus why would the controllers want any Truths to come out when their status quo is built on continuing secrecy .

feeding the commonenrs to the war machine is a proven method of control and cash collecting

[professorpan]

HEYYYY!! I GOT THRU!
sorry...

OK, PW, my webpage should be the www link at the bottom of my post if not it is http://www.jewels123.citymaker.com/home.html

Interesting site, Jewels1.

I have a couple of questions, though. On this page:

http://www.jewels123.citymaker.com/page ... 162012.htm

you link to the site of someone who goes by the name "Sweet Liberty." Her real name is Jackie Patru, and I am quite familiar with her brand of "truth."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/perspective ... nintro.htm

You speak highly of this article about "Jewish persecution," which includes a defense of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as well as the following:

Jehovah, the giver of both the Talmudic and Noahide Laws is not our Heavenly Father/Creator. Jehovah is the god of ZION; a symbolic Satanic force which drives the plan and its unGodly, evil intentions.

When you see how closely the Jews are united by various organizations in the United States, and when you see how with practiced hand they bring those organizations to bear as if with tried confidence in their pressure, it is at least not inconceivable that what can be done within a country -- can be done, or has been done between all the countries where the Jews live.

Jesus knew the truth; Jesus spoke the truth; and the Pharisees / Levitical Priests sought Jesus' death. The question we must ask is: to which 'god, among the gods' do the priests of old refer when they speak of Jehovah? Jesus said the Pharisees are of their father, the Devil... (snip)... In essence, the Christian church today has become a pseudo-synagogue. It is preaching the 'religion' of the Jews.

And this juicy tidbit:

May it be completed without the shedding of blood? The shedding of blood is part and parcel of the plan! They are the blood sacrifices to their King Despot of the Blood of Zion! If you doubt it, read in the Old Testament the blood rituals of the Priests of Jehovah. They drenched themselves in blood: on their heads, on their robes, all over the ground around them... to pacify a blood-thirsty deity to which Judeo-Christians, along with the Jews, pay homage today.

As always, one has to wade through such illuminating reportage to find the "good stuff":

Today - in Australia, New Zealand, Europe and Canada - people are sitting in prisons for the crime of 'Anti-Semitism' because they dared to even question the veracity of the historical presentation of the so-called Jewish Holocaust during WWII.

Never mind the fact that six million Jews did not live in the whole of Europe at that time.

Never mind that logistically, it would have been impossible to exterminate and cremate or bury six million bodies within the time-frame in which it allegedly occurred.

Never mind that Samuel Untermeyer, in his speech 8-7-1933 from WABC radio declaring a 'holy war' against Germany via a worldwide boycott on all German made goods (transcribed fully the following day in the New York Times) claimed not six million but '600,000 souls must be rescued'. Untermeyer also mentioned that there were Jews who opposed the boycott and accused them of being 'traitors to their race'.

Do you really believe this stuff, Jewels?

[professorpan]

More:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unified.htm

The key identifiers are clear: who are in control of the media, culture (entertainment) and academe?

Who created the media?

Who are the biggest advertisers?

Who control the foundations?

Who are the writers, professors, composers and thinkers?

Who are the directors, programmers and editors?

Who are producing the "educational" propaganda that is being spoon-fed our youngsters?

These questions are easy enough to answer – often as simple as reading the credits at the end of a movie or TV program – and yet how few sheeple even dare to look?

Are we afraid to see that the financiers, organizers and policy-makers are primarily Jews and their minions, and that all of these are globalist, internationalist, multicultural, pro-Zionist and Technocrats?

[LilyPatToo]

Icke has done at least as much harm as good to some of the subjects that he enthusiastically tackles. And as I said on the previous page, I don't fault his intentions, I just deplore his apparent inability to make judgement calls on what people tell him. He combines real, ignored-by-the-mainstream-press subjects like mind control with subjects like shape-shifting reptilian aliens, for the example that maddens me most.

I'm glad that he's willing to listen to mind control victims, but frustrated by his eager embrace of every wild thing they tell him, apparently without any discretion or ability to discern the likely from the very unlikely. The result is that he drives away readers who aren't willing to swallow a ton of utter codswallop to get a few genuine bits of information that are available nowhere else.

Even if he's not a disinformation agent, he's probably one of their favorite people, because he disseminates anything they feed him to a huge audience. I find that very annoying--that they're playing him that way and getting away with it.

LilyPat

[Truth4Youth]

Icke has done at least as much harm as good to some of the subjects that he enthusiastically tackles. And as I said on the previous page, I don't fault his intentions, I just deplore his apparent inability to make judgement calls on what people tell him. He combines real, ignored-by-the-mainstream-press subjects like mind control with subjects like shape-shifting reptilian aliens, for the example that maddens me most.

I'm glad that he's willing to listen to mind control victims, but frustrated by his eager embrace of every wild thing they tell him, apparently without any discretion or ability to discern the likely from the very unlikely. The result is that he drives away readers who aren't willing to swallow a ton of utter codswallop to get a few genuine bits of information that are available nowhere else.

Even if he's not a disinformation agent, he's probably one of their favorite people, because he disseminates anything they feed him to a huge audience. I find that very annoying--that they're playing him that way and getting away with it.

LilyPat

What you fail to mention is that it seems as if people like Jim Marrs and Icke are finding these eyewitness accounts with normal people as well as the Arizona Wilder-types.

[Jewels1]

you link to the site of someone who goes by the name "Sweet Liberty." Her real name is Jackie Patru, and I am quite familiar with her brand of "truth."

Also

You speak highly of this article about "Jewish persecution," which includes a defense of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as well as the following

WOW. Where, please tell me, does Jackie Patru (I know her name) defend the Protocols of the Elders of Zion????

Her article...which I have read more then once, as it was one of the first things I discovered when I first woke up and realized the World was not round, but a very elliptical and confusing mess! (That, of course, is a figure of speech)...in no way defends this group!

Jackie, throughout her entire piece, CONDEMNS the Protocols, and claims that it is the Zionists who are destroying the World! That we are the goyim~~the Cattle~~not even human to these creeps!

I am well aware of who is in control of the media. Who is in control of Hollywood. Who wrote most of the History we are spoon fed from birth. Who controls the money, ad nauseam. I declared, at the beginning of the letter to my sister you are referring to, that I am NOT anti-Jewish. I am anti-ZIONIST!!

I think you took bit's and pieces out of context and misunderstood the meaning of what she was writing. Jackie Patru is not in support of the Protocols of Zion, nor is she in support of the Zionist's themselves! In fact, just the opposite...she blames them for everything!! And, while I admire much of her work...I rarely become fanatical about one single issue/group because it isn't that simple! It is a combination of factors and the Plutocracy is made up of many Nationalities! Call it the MIC, or the Elite, the Dominionists...it is the very same group; the Plutocrats. They own the Money, and everything else falls in line from there. For them, anyway. Not for us!!

It actually took me a while to discern what the point you were trying to make really was!

And I mention myriad issues on my webpage; and my blog. Not just the Zionists. Although I think most of us are aware that Israel controls America. This is rather obvious...that and the issue of Peak Oil, and the struggle to control the last, dwindling resources of energy-both Oil and Natural Gas. Michael Ruppert's book on the "Decline of the American Empire..." is quite "dry" but very enlightening!

[professorpan]

You misunderstood, and I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. Jackie Patru defends the idea that the Protocols (a forgery) are legitimate, and were produced by Jews.

You didn't answer my questions, either.

Do you believe, as Jackie states, that the Holocaust is a fiction?

Do you believe the Jews and their minions are "in control" of the media, government, the educational system, and are essentially "Satanic"?

You speak very highly of Jackie Patru's "Jewish Persecution" article, featuring it on your page, so I assume you agree with her conclusions. That is what I'm asking.

Can you answer these simple questions? Thanks.

[Jewels1]

You misunderstood, and I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. Jackie Patru defends the idea that the Protocols (a forgery) are legitimate, and were produced by Jews.

You didn't answer my questions, either.

Do you believe, as Jackie states, that the Holocaust is a fiction?

Do you believe the Jews and their minions are "in control" of the media, government, the educational system, and are essentially "Satanic"?

You speak very highly of Jackie Patru's "Jewish Persecution" article, featuring it on your page, so I assume you agree with her conclusions. That is what I'm asking.

Can you answer these simple questions? Thanks.

No, I don't believe the Holocaust was a hoax. I believe it may have had exaggerations, as much of history has been distorted at times. Yet, as one who is experiencing the "Silent Holocaust of the 21st Century" I would be foolish to completely dismiss the suffering of others at the hands of Evil people! So no, I do not believe that.

Do I believe that the Zionists are in control of everything? No...as I mentioned, there are many involved in the Plutocracy-of all Nationalities.

Are there a lot of "Jewish" names involved in Cinema, News and other Organizations? Yes, I do, as you wrote :you can see this when you read the credits.

Do I believe that the "Jews" are Satanic? NO again. I have a couple of very dear friends who are Jewish, one who read that article you are referring to, and her Father is a Rabbi. I know what she believes, and it has NOTHING to do with the Zionists! The "Jews" living in Israel now are the Khazars. The Palastinians are the remnent of the true Jewsih tribes, according to many experts. No, Jews are not Satanic. The Agenda that drives the entire Plutocracy is!! And that agenda includes the "State" of Israel. Among many, many other issues.

I said, I read that article early on, and while I do not fully agree with all her views, I believe in the basic premise that there is an Evil Cabal trying to take control of the World. How could one look at the events of today and NOT beleive this? Even the stupid commercials are manipulating people into a cashless society. One in particular is a Visa ad, where folks are doing a regimented sort of dance in a Restaurant, until some poor sap has the AUDACITY to pull out a wad of bills. The whole "Dance" crashes, and he is shamed by the people in the commercial/brainwashing technique to associate "cash" with humiliation! This sort of thing is happening more and more. Jackie's article was the beginning of my eye- opening, as I said. I do NOT, as I also stated, agree with everything she writes. Are there not many, many other issues presented on my webpage that can capture one's attention? Or do you think that is all delusional bullshit, also? 'S OK if you do...I am used to such attitudes. But it changes the facts not one iota!

Does that answer your questions? And your Holier-than-thou, patronizing attitude is very offensive. You are not the arbitor of my beliefs. Thank you.

[professorpan]

Thanks for answering. I found the Jackie Patru article incredibly vile and offensive, so I was disturbed that you linked to it as a source of good information from your blog.

Does that answer your questions? And your Holier-than-thou, patronizing attitude is very offensive. You are not the arbitor of my beliefs. Thank you.

Hey, sorry about that. But I've encountered Patru and her minions before, so I just wanted to make sure that ugliness didn't rear its head here.

No, I don't believe the Holocaust was a hoax. I believe it may have had exaggerations, as much of history has been distorted at times.

A topic we should probably avoid, then.

You shouldn't be offended by the questions I presented, though, if you recommend Patru's material to others. That's no holier-than-thou -- it's just asking.

[Jewels1]

Thanks for answering. I found the Jackie Patru article incredibly vile and offensive, so I was disturbed that you linked to it as a source of good information from your blog.

Does that answer your questions? And your Holier-than-thou, patronizing attitude is very offensive. You are not the arbitor of my beliefs. Thank you.

Hey, sorry about that. But I've encountered Patru and her minions before, so I just wanted to make sure that ugliness didn't rear its head here.

You should be prepared to answer the questions I presented, though, if you recommend such material to others. That's no holier-than-thou -- it's just asking questions.

Yes, I, in my further enlightenment, find some of it a bit "much" but I had posted it on my webpage as part of an on-going journey. I thought I also posted on there that my views were undergoing changes. Maybe not.

OK, I can accept questions. And I have no problem answering them.
If you want your intentions to be better understood, try just posting exactly how you feel about the subject matter and don't "beat around the bush" so much, K? Just say, "Hey, I find this Patru broad offensive and sickening! Why did you put her garbage on your sight?" Then I will know EXACTLY what you mean!!

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^It might be more honest, but it's also a pretty poor way to start an interaction.

Not all of us are good a priming pumps and testing water, but professorpan was at least trying.