Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

[semper occultus]

If anybody's unsure who the minister referred to in the above article is, it's Sir Peter Morrison.

Not sure why they don't just name him - he's dead anyway, and the details of his brushes with the law make his identity pretty obvious to anybody who's been following the story for a while.

Just sayin', since the references to him as a "rising star" in the 1980s have given some folk on other forums the impression that the article was referring to the current Foreign Secretary.

…er..better make that EX-foreign secretary….






..ohh..and a certain Mr Kenneth Clarke – Minister of Justice has also decided to take this opportunity to withdraw gracefully from the public spotlight….the same Mr Clarke about whom various murky rumours were circulating recently :

Dear The Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke MP
You may not remember me but you groped me in Ian Greers office back in 1994, while I was working for the Cook Report.

http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/ben-fellows-writes-direct-to-ken-clarke.html

...all quite coincidental I'm sure....



Hague has always attracted some suspicion - not to say derision - given his rather precocious entrée into the political swamp – from which Harry Enfield’s Tory Boy charcter was derived – particularly given what is now being revealed about the culture prevailing amongst its mutant population of predators ……

[Twyla LaSarc]

Glad you enjoyed it Twyla. Enjoyed is the wrong word. Like myself, you will have learned something from it. I thought I already knew about as much as there was to know about the Moors Murders, and the perpetrators, but sometimes a drama does a better job than a documentary or a book. Rarely, but sometimes.

Felt really sorry for Maureen Hindley, all things considered. Ye cannae choose yer family.

I could not say enjoyment either, But I never knew, nor was it never readily apparent in sensationalized articles about Myra, just what happened to their family after. It sounds like Maureen was as much victim as any. I didn't know any of this and it was thought-provoking. It also leaves off right about the time the peerage starts trying to rehabilitate Myra's image. Natural jumping off point (which I did) to look into what happened after.

Ye cannae choose yer family

I agree, sadly you can't. A few of them may state the same ...

[semper occultus]

fusrodah
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This is quite personal so let me know if I cross any lines and I'll amend my post. My mum says Vile used to be regularly flown in by helicopter to the big Vauxhall factory in Luton where she worked as a secretary in the seventies. He'd meet the workers and generally parade around, clowning as if he owned the place. She said the staff went nuts for him and would all run out to meet him, but she didn't see what all the fuss was about so she'd stay behind, often alone at her desk.

She told me (after the scandal broke) about an occasion where he'd managed to make it into her office when no one else was there. Predictably, he started acting like a dirty old man; making lewd comments and propositioning her, saying she could come back to Leeds with him on the helicopter for a 'holiday' and he'd clear it with her boss etc. etc. She politely declined, and he eventually took her hand and raised it as if to kiss it, but instead put her little finger into his mouth and sucked it in a crude, suggestive fashion. Thankfully, she's an absolute badass, and had the wherewithal to curtly tell him to "Fuck off". She would've been around twenty at the time.

After telling me this, we both agreed that she had to report it. If Savile had been spiriting girls away from factories and elsewhere back to Leeds in a private helicopter, surely the pilots would need to be interviewed, there would be flight records, processed landings at airports, records of passengers and their details etc. In short, we thought it might help someone, somehow, so anyway - she called the Yewtree line, and was promptly visited by two bobbies who politely and diligently took a statement.

Raises questions about the pilots. Presumably they may well have witnessed assaults. Why was he allowed to make unannounced aerial visits to factories? If I tried that, I'd be shot out of the sky by Typhoons. It would need some pretty high clearance to gallivant around the country at will in a private heli.

Where is this going? I know a very famous British family who LOVE helicopters, in fact almost all of them are trained heli pilots.

[semper occultus]

...hmmmmm...not just the politicians suddenley contemplating a graceful retirement by the looks of it .....

Elton John to retire star tells fans at French music festival

Jul 16, 2014 22:30 By Hannah Hope

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elton-john-retire-star-tells-3870856


It is the third time the 67-year-old has threatened to call time on his music career, but he has 40 shows lined up later this year



Sir Elton John has announced for the third time that he is giving up the music business.

He repeatedly told fans at a festival in France of his desire to quit and spend more time with his sons.

The Rocket Man, 67, has twice said he wanted to retire – first in 1977 and again in 2010 when he said he was “too old to be a pop star”. In 2012 he said he wanted to be around to take Zachary, now three, to school and pick him up.

Sir Elton and spouse David Furnish, 51, also have an 18-month-old, Elijah.

Later a spokesman for the superstar, who has 40 more shows lined up this year in America and Europe, said: “Elton was only joking.”

[RocketMan]

...hmmmmm...not just the politicians suddenley contemplating a graceful retirement by the looks of it .....

Elton John to retire star tells fans at French music festival

Jul 16, 2014 22:30 By Hannah Hope

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elton-john-retire-star-tells-3870856


It is the third time the 67-year-old has threatened to call time on his music career, but he has 40 shows lined up later this year



Sir Elton John has announced for the third time that he is giving up the music business.

He repeatedly told fans at a festival in France of his desire to quit and spend more time with his sons.

The Rocket Man, 67, has twice said he wanted to retire – first in 1977 and again in 2010 when he said he was “too old to be a pop star”. In 2012 he said he wanted to be around to take Zachary, now three, to school and pick him up.

Sir Elton and spouse David Furnish, 51, also have an 18-month-old, Elijah.

Later a spokesman for the superstar, who has 40 more shows lined up this year in America and Europe, said: “Elton was only joking.”

I have to say I'm sort of (well, totally) biased (see my screen name), but I don't believe EJ has been linked to any sordidness beyond his lost years with drugs, booze, (adult, as far as I know) rent boys, and bulimia...? I was under the impression than he liked 'em young in his heyday, but not THAT young.

Also, EJ's retirement "announcements" are as credible as "out of Afghanistan" deadlines.

[stefano]

I know a very famous British family who LOVE helicopters, in fact almost all of them are trained heli pilots.

Is this now the royal family? Sorry I think a lot of us colonials miss some of the important connotations here...

[smoking since 1879]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Helicopters

scandal, what scandal?

Peace

[stefano]

Thanks. So - the Blackwells, is that right? See I'd never even heard of them. Are they really famous? Related to the bookshop people? I couldn't find that out but 'Basil Blackwell' is pretty unusual, has to be a family name.

Sir Basil Blackwell, who died [in 2003] aged 81, was chief executive of the Westland Group for 11 years, and ran its helicopters' division for nine, until he took early retirement in 1985 when the company was facing a difficult future. [...] During the Second World War Blackwell served as a temporary experimental officer in the Department of Scientific Research at the Admiralty, working on aspects of anti-submarine warfare.[...]In 1945 he joined the jet engine team of Rolls-Royce at Barnoldswick[...]The move to Westland Aircraft came in 1970.[...]From 1979 to 1985 he was also chairman of the British Hovercraft Corporation, and of Normalair-Garrett, both part of the Westland Group. Normalair-Garrett was involved in secret defence support programmes; among its projects was OBOGS (the On Board Oxygen Generation System) developed for the B1b bomber, and still in use today on the Stealth aircraft.

Hullo! Westland's merger with Sikorsky led to Leon Brittan's resignation (also Michael Heseltine), and involved Norman Tebbit who is now blowing the whistle... This just after Basil Blackwell quit Westland and was replaced with Sir John Cuckney, a spy and Lazard man. Wow, interesting story.

The Westland affair in 1985-86 was an episode in which the British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her Defence Minister Michael Heseltine went public over a complex cabinet dispute with questions raised about integrity and which senior official was not telling the truth.

The argument was a result of differences of opinion as to the future of the British helicopter industry. The struggling Westland Aircraft company, Britain's last helicopter manufacturer, was to be the subject of a rescue bid. While the Defence Secretary Heseltine favoured a European solution, integrating Westland and British Aerospace (BAe) with Italian (Agusta) and French companies, the Prime Minister and the Trade and Industry Secretary Leon Brittan wanted to see Westland merge with Sikorsky, an American company. Heseltine refused to accept Thatcher's choice and suggested she had lied about it. She had leaked a confidential letter, then tried to cover that up. It resulted in resignations in January 1986 by Heseltine and Brittan. The episode embarrassed the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher in 1986 and hurt her reputation.

So a "Guy Hamilton Blackwell", supposedly son of Sir Basil, is on an Elm House 'guest list' that you can Google, I've only seen it on some dodgy Bircher-flavoured sites now that I decline to link to. The list looks like bullshit, if you ask me: Anthony Blunt, Cliff Richard and a Sinn Fein member? And the Telegraph obit says Basil Blackwell "married, in 1948, Betty Meggs, who survives him with their daughter." I would tend to believe the Telegraph over a strange anti-Semitic conspiracy website.

[semper occultus]

...re Elton.....this story did cross my mind ....which could be one of a few suspects tbh.....

....songwriting genius aside pretty certain EJ would rather everything he was up to 30 yrs ago stayed well clear of police interview rooms, lawyers offices or tabloid newspapers...

Is this now the royal family? Sorry I think a lot of us colonials miss some of the important connotations here...

...yes it is...however thats not reaaly why I posted - more as a relatively novel / interesting anecdote on Savile's MO since the focus has been heavily on public institutions like hospitals /kid's homes etc....targeting hightly isolated / vulnerable elements.....this shows he operated equally confidently in much more "regular" situations...

earlier Bedfordshire links noted here :

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=535714#p535714

..and…re Lawd M© A*p**e…

now here's something

in my very first post i brought to the table the fact that a certain lord who had been mistakenly implicated in matters, once had family interests within the aviation industry with a private jet charter business based at Luton airport.

Now i'm having great difficulty getting information to back this up(i'm sure wikipedia had more info on this a few weeks ago) but for whatever reason the company in question changed hands sometime around the late 80's / early 90's, the new owners re-named the company "Magec aviation"

the name comes from the initials -

MArconi
GEC

Marconi's were at the time owned by the General Electric Company (GEC)

whilst it maybe something and nothing, a "co-incidence" all the same

oh and they did there bit for charity as well!


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=4058

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I might be wrong Semper, but there's another obvious candidate for the "household name outrageous scandal thing." A certain CR, with the real initials HW. i realise that does bugger all to protect me from the libel laws, but it had to be said. Though I don't see any unlikelihood in your conclusion either.

Bowie did it (unfortunately), Wyman did it (obviously), more or less the entirety of Led Zeppelin boasted of it repeatedly - it's going to be a messy business, so far as stars are concerned.

What matters is the unnerving fact that Ted Heath's closest advisor (Sir knox Cunningham) stands accused (as does Ted Heath).

Callaghan's government apparently funded PIE, for reasons that no one is keen to explain.

One of Thatcher's closest advisors - her own appointed PPS - was a known paedophile (Sir Peter Morrison).

One of Blair's closest advisors - the man who prepared him for PMQs - was convicted as a peadophile (Phillip Lyon).

One of David Cameron's closest advisors - Patrick Rock - has recently been lifted on three counts of making indecent images of children. He was advising Cameron on internet censorship at the time. A fox in the hen house.

I am sure that I have missed out a few cases here (which makes it even worse), but am I right in thinking that out of the last 8 British Prime Ministers, at least five are known to have had proven paedophiles as members of their immediate inner circles now? As a proven fact?

That's fucking rank. No other industry or organisation on earth would be able to boast of such a proportion, I hope. But as always I keenly await further disappointment. The Catholic Church is still putting in a good showing.

[Twyla LaSarc]

Perhaps appropos of nothing, I watched an odd english film from the 70's called the 'Deep End' last night. If the film is representative of the general state of british sexual milieu at the time of Saville's crimes, it is easy to see how people like the above mentioned got away with it.

[kenoma]

MI5’s murky role in Kincora scandal yet to be exposed


Eamonn McCann

The former British intelligence officer Colin Wallace told Radio Ulster last weekend that any inquiry into Kincora Boys’ Home will not be able to get to the truth if it doesn’t have access to evidence about the role of MI5. If that’s so, the chances of the truth coming out are near to nil. Wallace has been trying for 40 years to expose child sex abuse at the east Belfast home. He has been ridiculed, ignored, lied to and lied about, and, as Paul Foot demonstrated in “Who Framed Colin Wallace?” in 1989, fitted up for manslaughter. Peter Robinson has suggested the Belfast home be added to the remit of the UK Child Abuse Inquiry. Others want a dedicated Northern Ireland inquiry. It matters little. MI5’s interests will take precedence over the rights of raped children. In the early 1970s, Wallace was based in Lisburn, a member of an undercover “psychological warfare” unit which worked closely with MI5. He was involved in “Operation Clockwork Orange”, a MI5 plot to smear Labour prime minister Harold Wilson and “wets” in the Tory opposition.

Clockwork Orange

In October 1974, Wallace told his superiors that he wanted out of Clockwork Orange. He then wrote a memo explaining in detail that destitute boys were being systematically sodomised by members of Kincora staff and were being supplied for abuse to prominent figures in unionist politics. The abusers – among them MPs, councillors, leading Orangemen and other influential individuals – became potentially important intelligence assets.
MI5 had come across Kincora through its interest in paedophile “housemaster” William McGrath, also leader of an eccentric loyalist organisation, Tara. The agency didn’t report the scandal, but allowed it to continue while monitoring the abusers. It wasn’t until an Irish Independent expose in 1980 that official notice was taken. An RUC investigation led to the imprisonment of McGrath and two other Kincora staff. Two inquiries were then established in succession by secretary of state James Prior. The first, under complaints commissioner Stephen McGonagle, collapsed on its first day when three of five panel members resigned upon being told they couldn’t delve into any matter which might be the subject of police investigation. The collapse of an inquiry after one half-day session may be a unique occurrence.

Prior pledged to the Commons that a second inquiry under retired judge William Hughes would investigate allegations of a cover-up involving state agents. But Hughes announced he would examine only “the administration of boys’ homes” and wouldn’t take evidence about “allegations [of] any cover-up”.

Roy Garland, who had briefly been McGrath’s second-in-command, had complained about Kincora in 1972 and identified McGrath as the main abuser. Hughes refused to call him. Robert McCartney QC, for the Kincora boys, expostulated: “Are my wits leaving me? A man who . . . put the finger on a man subsequently convicted for some of the most brutal acts of sodomy is not a relevant or material witness?”

Wallace’s offer to give evidence if allowed to deal with the role of security services was turned down. He sent a dossier to Mrs Thatcher, asking that it be passed to Hughes. It was not, and was later discovered to have been lost.
Hughes did have a document from Wallace showing that he had raised Kincora back in 1974, but rejected it because there was no evidence that it wasn’t a forgery. His report found no fault with MI5.

There were other bizarre events. Wallace supplied his dossier to Tory MP Teddy Taylor. It was stolen from a locked cupboard in a locked office at Westminster. MPs were furious at this encroachment on their rights. David Owen MP complained that even the Commons wasn’t safe from burglary. Some time later he opened his office in his Southend constituency and found the file on his desk. And so it goes on.

At a meeting in Downing Street in October 2011, David Cameron told the family of Pat Finucane that he couldn’t deliver a promised public inquiry into the murder of the solicitor in February 1989 by a UDA hit squad briefed by MI5.

‘An inquiry’

Human rights campaigner Jane Winter, who was with the family, quoted Cameron saying, “Look, the last administration couldn’t deliver an inquiry . . . and neither can we, because there are people all around this place who won’t let it happen.” Ms Winter recalled that as he said this, Cameron raised a finger and made a circular motion in the air.


Much, much more on MI5’s Kincora role is contained in Foot’s meticulously researched account, as explosive a book as has appeared about the North. It was virtually ignored when published 25 years ago but it should now be urgently reprinted. Meantime, the surviving boys of Kincora can have no reason for confidence that the story of a British state agency facilitating certainly hundreds and likely thousands of child rapes will be told any time soon.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Identikit picture of Serial Killer 'Bible Jack'

Just going back very quickly to this, I don't think it's possible that Bible John could've been Jimmy Savile (even though they were both "operating" in Glasgow, and connected to the dancehalls - exclusively the Barrowlands in Bible John's case, so far as anyone knows - at the time).

Two reasons.

1/ Bible John was described as being a tall man by everyone who saw him (unusually for an uncaught killer, he was seen by quite a large number of people, since his hunting ground was so popular and public). Savile was average height - 5" 7' if I remember rightly. That might've been considered reasonably tall in Glasgow at that time, but not so much that it would attract comment.

2/ Bible John took a taxi ride with one of his victims, and they were both accompanied on this journey by another woman who escaped unscathed. The woman who escaped never mentioned him having an accent of any kind, which she would have done if it had been anything other than Glaswegian (or at least Scottish).

A Yorkshireman picking up ladies using Biblical chat in the Barrowlands would've been very unusual at that time - I reckon it would still be slightly unusual now. Unless Savile could do a Scottish accent to perfection, the woman would've surely noticed he was putting on a voice.

Since Savile went on to great fame, and the artists' impression of Bible John was so widely circulated and studied at the time and ever since, I think someone here would've put two and two together before now.

....Unless Savile's whole persona when he got famous was built around looking as different to Bible John as possible. Popped-out eyes instead of hooded ones, a constant fake grin instead of that strangely smug smirk, etc.

I'd rate Peter Tobin as a better suspect anyway, though it is surprising he hasn't claimed responsibility yet.

Kincora. That is going to be very messy. They are already withholding documents about it that should've been released under the 30 year rule. Not a good sign.

We might think we hate Tony Blair because of Iraq, but there will be some people within the apparatus of the secret state who dislike him far more for shepherding the Freedom of Information Act through Parliament.

What was he thinking? Must've been drunk at the time.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

What matters is the unnerving fact that Ted Heath's closest advisor (Sir knox Cunningham) stands accused (as does Ted Heath).

I might be wrong. Sir Knox Cunningham was either an advisor to MacMillan or Heath (or both) Either way, he is tied in to Kincora. But not yet officially as a direct perpetrator. Sorry.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

…er..better make that EX-foreign secretary….

A wise move, considering he is connected to this story in other ways. I wasn't meaning to suggest that he had been unfairly dragged into all this - just that he's not the specific guy that Thatcher protected/allowed/promoted back then, whom the papers still seem reluctant to name. Thatcher didn't have a high opinion of Hague in his youth, and vetoed his appointment as a ministerial special advisor on the grounds that he was too young and it would look stupid.

..ohh..and a certain Mr Kenneth Clarke – Minister of Justice has also decided to take this opportunity to withdraw gracefully from the public spotlight….the same Mr Clarke about whom various murky rumours were circulating recently

A pattern emerges.

Couldn't believe it when Cameron tried to bring Liam Fox back onto the front benches in that reshuffle - and Fox said no!

You can be sure a ship is sinking when a rat of that calibre refuses to get aboard.

Makes me think that Oor Liam will prove himself useful to somebody again in the future, as he has in the past. We think his time is over, but should fear that it has not yet come.