How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[American Dream]

Yes- now things are getting a little closer to the reality for me. I have not posted the material I have intended as a personal affront towards anyone in particular, nor as a call out on individual posters for their supposed crimes, nor to create a shit list of censored topics or writers.

I have drawn from the writings of "skeptics" and debunkers not because I love their work unconditionally but because they are some of the main ones who have done the research and developed clear critiques of people who I believe do need criticizing.

Sometimes I think of this as like unto religion, where one principle should be a respect for the individual's strongly held personal belief. That is true for some- that certain topics or writers may be held with a near religious zeal- but ultimately I hold true to the higher goal of changing human society, of the importance of real conspiracy knowledge in changing our world in a positive way. And it's not hyperbole to say that this is a planet in crisis where we may not survive and that billions of people are suffering needlessly.




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[seemslikeadream]

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However, more importantly: SLAD, WRex and MacCruiskeen have all -- in the last page and a half or so, in varying degress of bluntness -- 'queried' AD directly about the EGREGIOUS amount of repetitive [and generally low-grade] copy-pasting to go along with passive-aggressive [or not] insinuations about the same TWO F'ing topics, despite a lack of clear [or even circumstantial] evidence that there's anything remotely resembling a gathering of a) anti-semites or b) "reptilians-masking-as-world-leaders" aficionados anywhere within this forum.

Yet, the posts/thread topics persist. And as exemplified in his prior posting above, there seems to be no interest on his part in responding directly to the questions asked of him.

This is as good an in for me as I've never understood why people on this board take criticism of some sources as a personal classification attack or an "outing" exercise, when clearly that is not the case. Do people assume that because I post RA/MC activist material that I think everyone here is anti- RA/MC survivor? That would be silly.

Is there no place where a critique of disinformation and extraordinarily fucked up cultural processes around very important humans rights abuses and the machinations of those in power, can take place?

If I have an issue with AD, it's his willingness to go to poorly written, and/or "the other side", as it were, (JREF, MIB) for source material. That ain't cool, though I understand if one is a collage artist of sorts, (and we have more than one of those here) the temptation.

I don't see you posting the same shit over and over and over again at least once a month for more than 6 years now...actually it's becoming once every other week these days

I want to know why he is allowed to have a personal no post list of people here....what gives him the right...this is NOT his board


yeah 6 years of poorly written, and/or "the other side" shit

and I find a mod taking sides in this "not cool"

if and when I decided to post a David Icke video or a Joseph Campbell piece or any Annunaki stuff...William Cooper...Jordon Maxwell....Zeitgeist Movement...I should be able to do that here without AD jumping down my throat ...calling me an anti-semite..I am fucking sick of this mod in his own mind crappola...and the minute if I decided to do so I should be able to without AD shoving all the rest of the names on that list into my thread.If Jeff decides to put up a no post warning with all those names on it FINE I will abide but until then I think AD should BACK OFF....Who the frick is he to tell me or anyone else here what we can post? I am sick and tired of him moderating this forum....If you want him to continue to be a mod then make it official and then I will leave

Is there no place where a critique of disinformation and extraordinarily fucked up cultural processes around very important humans rights abuses and the machinations of those in power, can take place?

Every other week for 6 years? The same crap? Why?...I really do want to know...are we all that stupid or is someone here so afraid that a real anti-semite might show up that we need an unofficial warning on the front page of this discussion board constantly for 6 years? If so then pin his crap up top and get it over with

[American Dream]

I want to know why he is allowed to have a personal no post list of people here....

What are you talking about? What list? Who made it?

if and when I decided to post a David Icke video or a Joseph Campbell piece or any Annunaki stuff...William Cooper...Jordon Maxwell....Zeitgeist Movement...I should be able to do that here without AD jumping down my throat ...calling me an anti-semite.

Once again- what specifically are you talking about? Do you post such material and then have me call you an anti-Semite, or is it that I say I have a problem with the writer and/or their ideas? What exactly has happened that you feel is beyond every day norms on this board and what do you think should be changed in terms of board policy or our own consensus on behavior here?

[seemslikeadream]

just you AD no one else here...it's just you...apply for a mod job and get it over with...I am just sick and tired of seeing your crap here day in and day out every fucking time I open up this site..why do you have to dominate this board with your shit...the same shit over and over and over?


you're the one that wants to have changes in terms of board policy...

[seemslikeadream]

I can't think of anyone here who has ever advocated or defended "reptoid theory".

Same applies to "Illuminati theory" (and that is the ostensible topic of this thread).

Nor can I recall anyone even using the term "NWO" without being challenged pretty quickly. Least of all have I ever seen any anti-Semitism at RI, except for a few drive-by shooters who were themselves shot down immediately, i.e., put in their place and then banned, as per the rules.

So my question to AD is: Whom at RI are you addressing with all these endless reams of...stuff?

So my question to AD is: Whom at RI are you addressing with all these endless reams of...stuff?

So my question to AD is: Whom at RI are you addressing with all these endless reams of...stuff?

I do not like to be censored plain and simple and I do not like my friends here being censored plain and simple...if I wanted that crap I would have stayed at DU...plain and simple....I followed Jeff here when he started RI because I knew I could come here and not be censored and YOU AD are trying your best to censor anyone here that does not follow your way of thinking...and I am sick and tired of it ...plain and simple

YOU use the tactic of labeling people anti-semites every time they post something YOU do not like...it's your way of censorship and I do not like it... plain and simple

YOU use the tactic of keeping your crap on the front page of this forum as a form of censorship....and I do not like it... plain and simple

[Wombaticus Rex]

just you AD no one else here...it's just you...apply for a mod job and get it over with...I am just sick and tired of seeing your crap here day in and day out every fucking time I open up this site..why do you have to dominate this board with your shit...the same shit over and over and over?


you're the one that wants to have changes in terms of board policy...

You have made all of this abundantly and repeatedly clear.

Your continued angry reactions play a central role in prolonging this eternal flame war.

I am hopeful that you'll be able to disengage from this at some point in 2013.

You do have control over your own actions.

[seemslikeadream]

just you AD no one else here...it's just you...apply for a mod job and get it over with...I am just sick and tired of seeing your crap here day in and day out every fucking time I open up this site..why do you have to dominate this board with your shit...the same shit over and over and over?


you're the one that wants to have changes in terms of board policy...

You have made all of this abundantly and repeatedly clear.

Your continued angry reactions play a central role in prolonging this eternal flame war.

I am hopeful that you'll be able to disengage from this at some point in 2013.

You do have control over your own actions.

and AD has made it abundantly and REPEATEDLY clear also. He is the one instigating this prolonged eternal flame war by REPEATEDLY posting the same crap over and over....if he has the right to do that I have the right to repeatedly object to him doing so....I am hopeful that HE will be able to disengage from this at some point in 2013 because he has been doing this for over 6 years now and it would be nice if HE would stop...He has control over HIS actions. If he has the right to try and censor this board I have the right to call him on it. Or maybe someone just needs to make it official and abundantly clear just what is acceptable to post about here and then we can all be on the same page ....

[American Dream]

just you AD no one else here...it's just you...apply for a mod job and get it over with...I am just sick and tired of seeing your crap here day in and day out every fucking time I open up this site..why do you have to dominate this board with your shit...the same shit over and over and over?


you're the one that wants to have changes in terms of board policy...

You have made all of this abundantly and repeatedly clear.

Your continued angry reactions play a central role in prolonging this eternal flame war.

I am hopeful that you'll be able to disengage from this at some point in 2013.

You do have control over your own actions.

and AD has made it abundantly and REPEATEDLY clear also. He is the one instigating this prolonged eternal flame war by REPEATEDLY posting the same crap over and over....if he has the right to do that I have the right to repeatedly object to him doing so....I am hopeful that HE will be able to disengage from this at some point in 2013 because he has been doing this for over 6 years now and it would be nice if HE would stop...He has control over HIS actions. If he has the right to try and censor this board I have the right to call him on it. Or maybe someone just needs to make it official and abundantly clear just what is acceptable to post about here and then we can all be on the same page ....

I don't see that posting material critical of Springmeier, Icke, Zagami, Svali or whoever is making you do anything at all.

When you repeatedly throw out unfair accusations (e.g. "to try and censor this board", ant-Semitism baiting, etc.) but refuse to rationally defend those accusations with concrete evidence, you are not helping the situation- just inflaming it.

slad, would you be willing to call a truce?

[slimmouse]

When you repeatedly throw out unfair accusations (e.g. "to try and censor this board", ant-Semitism baiting, etc.) but refuse to rationally defend those accusations with concrete evidence, you are not helping the situation- just inflaming it.

For all those posts that have ceasely branded Icke as a racist, heres a couple of quotes from an article today speaking about Ickes appearance in a lawsuit in Canada, Nice to hear from the man himself about this.

“Racism is a grotesque stupidity and a moronic belief of judging people based on the nature of their genetics, yet I’m accused of it,” he said.

“What I talk about is Zionism, a political movement that his challenged by many Jewish people vehemently.”

Warman had also accused Icke of writing that a “cabal of Jews” was responsible for the rise of Hitler, the Russian revolution and other “nefarious” historical events.

Icke responded that Trotsky and Lenin were Zionists and said current Russian President Vladimir Putin had recently noted that that 80 to 85 per cent of the members of first communist government of the Soviet Union were Jewish.

“I’m a researcher. What am I supposed to say — they come from Outer Mongolia?”

Link http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Briti ... story.html

[seemslikeadream]

yes I would like to call a truce but it takes two....and btw I have shown plenty of evidence ..if you want to call a truce to the truce I could go back and repost it?

and when you throw those names into threads of mine for no other reason than to associate me with them ..I call that baiting...if you will agree to stop doing that then we can have a truce I can live with...oh and you have to stop doing that with other people here also

[American Dream]

yes I would like to call a truce but it takes two....and btw I have shown plenty of evidence ..if you want to call a truce to the truce I could go back and repost it?

and when you throw those names into threads of mine for no other reason than to associate me with them ..I call that baiting...if you will agree to stop doing that then we can have a truce I can live with

Wait, what specifically are you asking for?

I want to ask you to be as clear as possible because if we are negotiating a truce, it should be absolutely clear what we are agreeing to and if that agreement is being upheld. For example, you say "throw those names into threads of mine for no other reason than to associate me with them"- how can anybody know another's intent?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Project Willow wrote:

Is there no place where a critique of disinformation and extraordinarily fucked up cultural processes around very important humans rights abuses and the machinations of those in power, can take place?

OF COURSE there is. And of course this is a place for such discourse. But I didn't in ANY way imply otherwise.
I am referring to the overly excessive volume of those 2 repeating themes from AD's posts, and the occasional implications [directly or indirectly] that there are those in this forum that subscribe to such viewpoints [anti-antisemitism or reptilian overlords] in earnest.

[MacCruiskeen]

AD, one of the most alienating things for me is your apparent lack of interest in actually discussing anything, ever, unless that discussion is extracted from you like an abscessed molar -- and even then, the discussion (on your side) consists mainly in your saying, in just a handful of visibly-reluctant lines, "I'm in favour of social justice", and "Would you mind explaining where you stand on that?" or words to that (irritating, because extremely predictable) effect.

You rarely participate in any thread started by anyone else, unless it's to post some lengthy copied 'n' pasted article by another author, often a text of dubious or merely tangential relevance to the actual topic at hand.

Instead, you start and maintain thread after thread after thread of copy'n'paste after copy'n'paste after copy'n'paste. I'm not exaggerating. Your "T.I.D.S." thang, just for example, is now on its 100th page, and almost every post in it is from you (or rather, from some other author on some other website and then transmitted here by you). That kind of data dump belongs -- surely? -- in the Data Dump.

Can you really not see why other people might find all that a bit alienating? (And that's quite apart from the very uneven quality of the xxxthousand words thus copied 'n' pasted.) A conversation is something else.

[American Dream]

AD, one of the most alienating things for me is your apparent lack of interest in actually discussing anything, ever, unless that discussion is extracted from you like an abscessed molar -- and even then, the discussion (on your side) consists mainly in your saying, in just a handful of visibly-reluctant lines, "I'm in favour of social justice", and "Would you mind explaining where you stand on that?" or words to that (irritating, because extremely predictable) effect.

You rarely participate in any thread started by anyone else, unless it's to post some lengthy copied 'n' pasted article by another author, often a text of dubious or merely tangential relevance to the actual topic at hand.

Instead, you start and maintain thread after thread after thread of copy'n'paste after copy'n'paste after copy'n'paste. I'm not exaggerating. Your "T.I.D.S." thang, just for example, is now on its 100th page, and almost every post in it is from you (or rather, from some other website and then transmitted here by you). That kind of data dump belongs -- surely? -- in the Data Dump.

Can you really not see why other people might find all that a bit alienating? (And that's quite apart from the very uneven quality of the umpteen articles thus copied 'n' pasted.) A conversation is something else.

Anyone who has been watching over the years might have an idea why I stay away from most conversation threads here and it wouldn't be hard for them to guess why I might feel a bit alienated after all that water under the bridge.

A few of the conversations I do find interesting but many, I don't- at least not enough to want to participate in them. My feeling is that a lot of these conversations are inherently interesting if you are a direct participant but that sometimes it's like overhearing random conversations in a pub or cafe' if one is not.

[seemslikeadream]

you see AD finds most of RI to be like conversations in a pub or cafe..and he is not interested in them...he's not interested in most of the stuff posted here...but he sure wants everyone to know what shouldn't be posted here ... that is as bizarre as it gets