Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby LolaB » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:05 am

Found this educational cartoon on http://www.spiegel.de

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oVsc1MUhV5o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVsc1MUhV5o nuclear boy[/youtube]

Sorry guys, it's my first try at you tube posting ... but check out

Nuclear Boy

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:06 am

looking at japan through that pachube google earth api makes me wonder if more than one reactor complex has struggling reactors
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:10 am

LolaB wrote:Found this educational cartoon on http://www.spiegel.de

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oVsc1MUhV5o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVsc1MUhV5o nuclear boy[/youtube]

(first experiment with you tube posting)



hey there LolaB

you have to take everything out including the = sign to the left and everything to the right of the ? if there is anything and then put the [youtube][/youtube] around it

oVsc1MUhV5o just this



"Safe" Radiation is a Lethal Lie
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Mon, 03/28/2011 - 9:39am. Guest Commentary
HARVEY WASSERMAN FOR BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT

There is no safe dose of radiation.

We do not x-ray pregnant women.

Any detectable fallout can kill.

With erratic radiation spikes, major air and water emissions and at least three reactors and waste pools in serious danger at Fukushima, we must prepare for the worst.

When you hear the terms "safe" and "insignificant" in reference to radioactive fallout, ask yourself: "Safe for whom?" "Insignificant to which of us?"

Despite the corporate media, what has and will continue to come here from Fukushima is deadly to Americans. At very least it threatens countless embryos and fetuses in utero, the infants, the elderly, the unborn who will come to future mothers now being exposed. (http://nukefree.org/arnie-gundersen-radiation-dangers )

No matter how small the dose, the human egg in waiting, or embryo or fetus in utero, or newborn infant, or weakened elder, has no defense against even the tiniest radioactive assault.

Science has never found such a "safe" threshold, and never will.

In the 1950s Dr. Alice Stewart showed a definitive link between medical x-rays administered to pregnant women and the curse of childhood leukemia among their offspring.

After a fierce 30-year debate, the medical profession agreed. Today, administering an x-ray to a pregnant woman is universally understood to be a serious health hazard.

Those who pioneered the health physics profession---towering greats like Dr. Karl Z. Morgan and Dr. John Gofman---set a definitive, impenetrable standard. A safe dose of radiation does not exist. All doses, "insignificant" or otherwise, can harm the human organism.

That has been repeatedly shown in major studies---done most notably by Dr. Ernest Sternglass, Jay Gould, Joe Mangano, Arnie Gundersen, Dr. Steven Wing (http://nukefree.org/tmia-bloomberg-dr-e ... -fukushima ) and others---showing that among human populations near commercial reactors, infant death rates plummet once the reactors shut down.

In 1979, 32 years ago this March 28, the owners of Three Mile Island said there was no meltdown, no serious radiation release and no need for evacuation.

All were lies.

To this day no one knows how much radiation was released or where it went or who it killed.

TMI's owners ran ads dismissing the emissions as the equivalent of a single chest x-ray given to everyone within a ten mile radius.

But that included all the pregnant women.

Soon infant death rates soared in nearby Harrisburg. Some 2400 central Pennsylvania families sued based on the health impacts.

In 1980 I interviewed dozens of these people. Cancer, leukemia, birth defects, stillbirths, sterility, malformations, open lesions, hair loss, a metallic taste and much more were among the symptoms.(http://www.loran-history.info/health/Ki ... ur_Own.pdf )

The death and mutation rate among farm and wild animals was also thoroughly documented by the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture and a team of investigators from the Baltimore News-American.

We were again told there were "no health dangers" from radiation that hit California from Chernobyl ten days after that 1986 explosion. But bird births at the Point Reyes National Seashore quickly dropped 60% from the levels that had been carefully monitored and recorded through the previous decade.

The cloud then crossed the northern tier of the United States. Heightened radiation levels were found in milk in New England---as they were throughout Europe from clouds that had blown from Chernobyl in the other direction.

The doses were neither "insignificant" nor "safe" to those far or near.

In Russia ten years later, I interviewed dozens of downwind victims, and many of the 800,000 "liquidators" who ran into Chernobyl's seething corpse to help clean it up. After TMI, it was déjà vu all over again.

The most recently published findings, from a compendium of more than 5,000 studies, indicate a global Chernobyl death toll in excess of 985,000, and still counting. ( http://www.nukefree.org/node/1828 ).

Today we are assaulted by yet another radioactive death cloud from yet another "perfectly safe" nuclear plant.

Fukushima's radiation is pouring into the air and water. The operators have reported radiation levels a million times normal, then retracted the estimate. Workers are being exposed to doses that are certain to be lethal. At least three of the reactors, and one or more of the spent fuel pools, hover at the brink of catastrophe.

Fukushima's radiation has now been detected in Los Angeles and Sacramento, and has blown east across North America. It has also been detected in Sweden, which means its blowing across Europe as well.

Radiation is not being released as a single puff. Rather it's a steady stream that could yet turn into a tsunami.

Fukushima's worst may be yet to come. Its collective emissions are virtually certain to exceed Chernobyl's.

And yet we continue to hear smug, misinformed "experts," TV meteorologists and industry talking heads saying these are "safe" doses.

The response of the Obama Administration has been beyond derelict. As the accident began, the President went on national television to assure us there was nothing to worry about, and that he would continue to demand $36 billion in loan guarantees to build new nuclear plants.

Since then, even as the Fukushima crisis mounts, President Obama has remained silent.

Millions of Americans have heard about potassium iodide (KI), which can be used block the uptake of radioactive iodine and perhaps protect the thyroid.

But KI can have potential medical side-effects for some individuals. And timing can be critical. To say the least, we need to know when the radioactive fallout is present.

Yet the administration has not provided us with a national supply of KI, or guidance for using it.

At very least we need reliable real-time mapping of the radioactive clouds as they cross the nation. Every American should be issued a mask, and sufficient KI pills with directions on how to use them, if necessary.

Above all, we need national leadership that puts the health of our people first and foremost.

Americans who are of reproductive age---and their unborn, our babies, the elderly, those of us who may be specially sensitive---we all deserve better.

As we have learned so tragically from Drs. Stewart, Morgan, Gofman and Sternglass, from Gundersen and Mangano and so many other researchers, from TMI and Chernobyl, and from the on-going operation of nuclear plants where infant death rates continue to be affected---a "perfectly safe" dose of radiation does not exist.

No truly informed or responsible scientist, medical doctor, health researcher, TV weatherman, bloviating "expert" or on-the scene reporter would ever tell you otherwise.

Whenever you hear the term "insignificant" fallout, ask yourself: "insignificant to whom?"

"Acceptable" to which expectant mother. To whose child? To how many mourning parents? For which dying elder?

Nuclear reactors make global warming worse and prolong our addiction to fossil fuels. They stand in the way of our transition to a totally green-powered Earth.

As we continue to learn at such a huge cost, there can never be a "perfectly safe" nuclear reactor, any more than there can be a "perfectly harmless" dose of radiation.

"Impossible" accidents continue to happen, one after the other, each of them successively worse.

What we fear most about TMI, then Chernobyl and now Fukushima, is not what has happened---but what is yet to come, there, and at the next inevitable reactor disaster.

We are a pro-life movement.

Please call the White House, the Congress and your state and local governments and demand they protect the health and safety of our people in the face of this disaster.


Harvey Wasserman edits http://www.nukefree.org. He is author of Solartopia: Our Green Powered Earth (http://www.solartopia.org), and co-author, with Robert Alvarez, Norman Solomon and Eleanor Walters, of Killing Our Own: The Disaster of America's Experience with Atomic Radiation.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:14 am

LolaB wrote:Found this educational cartoon on http://www.spiegel.de

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oVsc1MUhV5o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVsc1MUhV5o nuclear boy[/youtube]

(first experiment with you tube posting)


LolaB:

In the future, delete the blue portions of the youtube link...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVsc1MUhV5o nuclear boy[/youtube]

and you'll get this...

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:27 am

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:47 am

add reactor 1 to the list then, water means its on it way. that will make three burning all at once, 4 shares a control room with 3 and its pool beds are already hot, so we will lose it too i'm sure, rumor has it that 5 and 6 are feeling puny,i can't believe this shit, i really can't,

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Jeff » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:36 pm

Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant

TOKYO, March 29, Kyodo

Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.

The operator of the nuclear complex said that the plutonium is believed to have been discharged from nuclear fuel at the plant, which was damaged by the devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

While noting that the concentration level does not pose a risk to human health, the utility firm said it will strengthen monitoring on the environment in and around the nuclear plant.

...

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81603.html

In principle, using AECB's [Canada's Atomic Energy Control Board's] regulatory limits, how many ''civilians'' can be overdosed by 100 grams of plutonium?

0.1 micrograms can overdose one civilian
0.1 grams can overdose one million civilians
1 gram can overdose ten million civilians
100 grams can overdose one billion civilians
600 grams can overdose six billion civilians


If there is a serious accident involving 120 grams of plutonium (in the form of MOX), how many civilian overdoses could, in principle, result?

if NONE of the plutonium is safely contained there is a potential for one billion two hundred million civilian overdoses

if 90 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for one hundred and twenty million civilian overdoses

if 99.9 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for one hundred and twenty thousand civilian overdoses

if 99.999 percent of it is safely contained there is a potential for one thousand two hundred civilian overdoses

The Canadian Coalition for Nuclear Responsibility

That the subject is now acceptable levels of plutonium elevates this to a whole new level of FUBAR.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:01 pm

Isn't plutonium relatively heavy, thus making it difficult to travel large distances through air/moisture?
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:03 pm

My god i don't believe this. Japan is evacuating and cnn just did a segment showing an airport and basically said, "amazing recovery, things are back to normal, blah blah blah", made it sound like nothing is going on over there, i'm tripping on the amount of manipulation on this deal.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:05 pm

The Doomsday Scenario

Is Fukushima About to Blow?

By MIKE WHITNEY

Conditions at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant are deteriorating and the doomsday scenario is beginning to unfold. On Sunday, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) officials reported that the levels of radiation leaking into seawater at the Unit 2 reactor were 100,000 times above normal, and the airborne radiation measured 4-times higher than government limits. As a result, emergency workers were evacuated from the plant and rushed to safe location. The prospect of a full-core meltdown or an environmental catastrophe of incalculable magnitude now looms larger than ever. The crisis is getting worse.

If spent fuel rods catch fire from lack of coolant, the intense heat will lift radiation plumes high into the atmosphere that will drift around the world. That's the nightmare scenario, clouds of radioactive material showering the planet with lethal toxins for months on end. And, according to the Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics of Vienna, that deadly process has already begun. The group told New Scientist that:

"Japan's damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima has been emitting radioactive iodine and caesium at levels approaching those seen in the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident in 1986. Austrian researchers have used a worldwide network of radiation detectors – designed to spot clandestine nuclear bomb tests – to show that iodine-131 is being released at daily levels 73 per cent of those seen after the 1986 disaster. The daily amount of caesium-137 released from Fukushima Daiichi is around 60 per cent of the amount released from Chernobyl. ("New Scientist", March 24 ---thanks to Michael Collins "They said it wasn't like Chernobyl and they were wrong")

So, volatile radioactive elements are already being lofted into the jet stream and spread across continents. What's different here is that the quantities are much larger than they were at Chernobyl, thus, the dangers are far greater. According to the same group of scientists "the Fukushima plant has around 1760 tonnes of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site" (while) "the Chernobyl reactor had only 180 tonnes." The troubles at one nuclear facility now pose a direct threat to humans and other species everywhere. Is this what Obama meant when he called nuclear power, "Safe and green?"

This from CNN:

"Authorities in Japan raised the prospect Friday of a likely breach in the all-important containment vessel of the No. 3 reactor at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, a potentially ominous development in the race to prevent a large-scale release of radiation."

And this from the New York Times:

"A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan said that there was a long vertical crack running down the side of the reactor vessel itself. The crack runs down below the water level in the reactor and has been leaking fluids and gases, he said....

"There is a definite, definite crack in the vessel — it's up and down and it's large," he said. "The problem with cracks is they do not get smaller." (Thanks to Washington's Blog)

So, there's a breach in the containment vessel and radioactive material is being released into the sea killing fish and marine life and turning the coastal waters into a nuclear wasteland. This is from the Kyodo News:

"Adding to the woes is the increasing level of contamination in the sea near the plant....Radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,850.5 times the legal limit was detected in a seawater sample taken Saturday around 330 meters south of the plant, near a drainage outlet of the four troubled reactors, compared with 1,250.8 times the limit found Friday, the agency said.

Nishiyama told a press conference in the morning that he cannot deny the possibility that radioactive materials are continuing to be released into the sea. He said later that the water found at the basement of the turbine buildings is unlikely to have flowed into the sea, causing contamination." ("Woes deepen over radioactive water at nuke plant", Kyodo News)

Predictably, the media has switched into full "BP Oil Spill-mode", making every effort to minimize the disaster and to soothe the public with half-truths and disinformation. The goal is to conceal the scale of the catastrophe and protect the nuclear industry. It's another case of profits over people. Still, the truth is available for those who are willing to sift through the lies. Radiation has turned up in the Tokyo water supply, imports of milk, vegetable and fruit from four prefectures in the vicinity of Fukushima have been banned, and the evacuation zone around the plant has widened to an 18 mile radius.

Also, monitors have detected tiny radioactive particles which have spread from the reactor site across the Pacific to North America, the Atlantic and Europe...According to Reuters: "It's only a matter of days before it disperses in the entire northern hemisphere," said Andrea Stahl, a senior scientist at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research."

Here's more from Brian Moench, MD:

"Administration spokespeople continuously claim "no threat" from the radiation reaching the US from Japan, just as they did with oil hemorrhaging into the Gulf. Perhaps we should all whistle "Don't worry, be happy" in unison. A thorough review of the science, however, begs a second opinion.

That the radiation is being released 5,000 miles away isn't as comforting as it seems.... Every day, the jet stream carries pollution from Asian smoke stacks and dust from the Gobi Desert to our West Coast, contributing 10 to 60 percent of the total pollution breathed by Californians, depending on the time of year. Mercury is probably the second most toxic substance known after plutonium. Half the mercury in the atmosphere over the entire US originates in China. It, too, is 5,000 miles away. A week after a nuclear weapons test in China, iodine 131 could be detected in the thyroid glands of deer in Colorado, although it could not be detected in the air or in nearby vegetation." (Washington's Blog)

The smoldering Fukushima hulk is a perpetual death machine poisoning everything around it--sea, sky and soil. Here's a clip from the Collin's article:

"...The soil contamination is really high. Soil found 40 kilometers away.... the levels on the soil were very high—in fact, a thousand times iodine, 4,000 times the cesium standard. And we just got a report from the Kyoto Research Reactor Institute, Dr. Tetsuji Imanaka, that said that—he had to look a little bit more into the sampling of the Japanese government, but depending on how the sampling was done, this level of contamination in the soil could be twice the amount that was compulsory evacuation for Chernobyl. Aileen Mioko Smith, March 24 (thanks to Michael Collins "They said it wasn't like Chernobyl and they were wrong")

Twice as high as Chernobyl already, and the disaster is likely to persist for months to come. Things are getting worse, much worse.

The Japanese government has been downplaying the crisis to make it look like they have matters under control, but it's all a sham. They control nothing. The rescue mission has been a flop from the get-go and now things are at a boiling point. The emergency effort has been overtaken by events and now it's a matter of "wait and see". We're approaching zero hour.

So why the cover up? Why is the media trying to soft-peddle the real effects of a nuclear cataclysm? Does the Japanese government really believe they can make things better by tweaking their public relations strategy? They should focus on saving lives and abandon "perception management" altogether. This is from the Union of Concerned Scientists website:

"Our assessment is that the Japanese government is squandering the opportunity to initiate an orderly evacuation from larger areas around the site–especially of sensitive populations, like children and pregnant women. It is potentially wasting valuable time by not undertaking a larger scale evacuation at this time."

The Japanese government is trying to protect the powerful nuclear lobby. The same is true of Obama, who continues to promote nuclear energy even while radiation belches from battered Fukushima. He's not thinking about the public; he's thinking about the deep pocket constituents who fill his campaign coffers.

Japanese workers are putting their lives on the line to regain control of the broken facility, but with little success. The probability of another fire, another monstrous explosion, or a full-core meltdown increases by the day. The Fukushima fiasco is gaining pace putting tens of thousands of people at risk of thyroid cancer, childhood leukemia and other life-threatening ailments.

On Saturday, Japan's prime minister, Naoto Kan, said the situation at the Fukushima nuclear plant was ''serious''. That might be the understatement of the century.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:08 pm

WakeUpAndLive wrote:Isn't plutonium relatively heavy, thus making it difficult to travel large distances through air/moisture?



“fine particles less than a micron in diameter” of the plutonium “could be transported beyond 62 miles and become well mixed in the troposphere, and have been assumed to potentially affect persons living within a latitude band from approximately 20-degrees North to 30-degrees North,” says NASA.

The troposphere is the atmosphere five to nine miles overhead. The 20- to 30-degree band goes through parts of the Caribbean, across North Africa and the Mideast and then India and China and Hawaii and other Pacific Islands and thenMexico and southern Texas.



These came out of those articles i posted earlier in this thread I think. I had em on a clip board and don't have the link. The articles I posted earlier in the thread somewhere.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Jeff » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:16 pm

WakeUpAndLive wrote:Isn't plutonium relatively heavy, thus making it difficult to travel large distances through air/moisture?


Yes. I don't think the greater danger is efficient airborne dispersal. But given plutonium's toxicity and long half life, the Fukushima Forbidden Zone is going to be a permanent feature of Japan, and much larger - or it should be - than the current evacuation area.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:24 pm

one more time just for emphasis

Plutonium Found (OUTSIDE) In Soil Around Japanese Nuclear Power Plant

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby justdrew » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:26 pm

they know what's in the air. We're just not allowed to know.

Constant Phoenix flights have been going on for at least a week. Not a peep out of the news media about it since deployment reports on the 17th and one short piece on the 20th.

http://newsminer.com/bookmark/12425948-Eielson-Air-Force-Base-gets-radiation-detecting-jet-in-response-to-Japan-s-nuclear-crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_WC-135_Constant_Phoenix
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby semiconscious » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Jeff wrote:Yes. I don't think the greater danger is efficient airborne dispersal. But given plutonium's toxicity and long half life, the Fukushima Forbidden Zone is going to be a permanent feature of Japan, and much larger - or it should be - than the current evacuation area.


this. & it needs to be said, very clearly, for all to hear. anyone with memories of chernobyl either already knows this, or is lying to themselves thru their teeth...

& anyone without memories needs to watch this:

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