The 2012 "Election" thread

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby yossarian » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:25 pm

All reasonable odds and a slew of statistics, make a bet for "the elites are stealing our meaningless vote" unrealistic at best. As long as you don't bet any money on that you will be fine. However, in case the S & P 500 takes an unexpected nose-dive or the Israelis start WW3 all bets are off and you might be on the right track.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Elvis » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:51 pm

My name is Elvis and I'm running for President of the United States, 2016.

Alert the MSM.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby chump » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:10 am

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'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment

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GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands (AP) - Organizers of an investment conference in the Cayman Islands say they have been forbidden from disclosing any details about a speech by former President George W. Bush in the offshore financial haven.
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George W. Bush speaks at investment conference in Cayman Islands; media blackout in place

http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/artic ... an-Islands


A spokesman for the Cayman Summit says the speech is totally closed to all journalists. Spokesman Dan Kneipp says he is not even permitted to discuss the subject of Bush's speech scheduled for Thursday evening at the Ritz-Carlton on Grand Cayman island.

He says the restrictions were imposed by the former president's staff.

Sponsors of the two-day summit include KPMG, a company that provides tax advisory services, and Deutsche Bank. It costs $4,000 to attend and other speakers include billionaire Richard Branson.
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George Bush is in Cayman Islands talking about tax haven investments

http://www.examiner.com/article/george- ... nvestments


November 1, 2012 By: Robert Bowen

...Spokesman Dan Kneipp says he is not even permitted to discuss the subject of Bush's speech scheduled for Thursday evening at the Ritz-Carlton. Attendees are paying $4,000 each to get advice at this “investment” seminar. Sponsors include KPMG, a company that provides tax advisory services, and Deutsche Bank.

What is the conference about? It is about the benefits of using the Cayman Islands to shelter income in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes. How did George Bush become an expert on the subject? Perhaps Mitt Romney gave him some tips.

Just when Romney thought that whole business about his avoiding taxes in offshore accounts was forgotten, George Bush put it all front and center again...
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby chump » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:11 am

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'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... conference

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GEORGE TOWN, Cayman Islands (AP) - Organizers of an investment conference in the Cayman Islands say they have been forbidden from disclosing any details about a speech by former President George W. Bush in the offshore financial haven.
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George W. Bush speaks at investment conference in Cayman Islands; media blackout in place

http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/artic ... an-Islands


A spokesman for the Cayman Summit says the speech is totally closed to all journalists. Spokesman Dan Kneipp says he is not even permitted to discuss the subject of Bush's speech scheduled for Thursday evening at the Ritz-Carlton on Grand Cayman island.

He says the restrictions were imposed by the former president's staff.

Sponsors of the two-day summit include KPMG, a company that provides tax advisory services, and Deutsche Bank. It costs $4,000 to attend and other speakers include billionaire Richard Branson.
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George Bush is in Cayman Islands talking about tax haven investments

http://www.examiner.com/article/george- ... nvestments


November 1, 2012 By: Robert Bowen

...Spokesman Dan Kneipp says he is not even permitted to discuss the subject of Bush's speech scheduled for Thursday evening at the Ritz-Carlton. Attendees are paying $4,000 each to get advice at this “investment” seminar. Sponsors include KPMG, a company that provides tax advisory services, and Deutsche Bank.

What is the conference about? It is about the benefits of using the Cayman Islands to shelter income in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes. How did George Bush become an expert on the subject? Perhaps Mitt Romney gave him some tips.

Just when Romney thought that whole business about his avoiding taxes in offshore accounts was forgotten, George Bush put it all front and center again...
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http://www.compasscayman.com/caymanai/
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby 82_28 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:24 am

This is getting curiouser and curiouser. They're saying now that "it is so close to call" that it may come down to a legal battle. Sweet.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Elvis » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:13 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:09 pm

82_28 wrote:This is getting curiouser and curiouser. They're saying now that "it is so close to call" that it may come down to a legal battle. Sweet.


Same script as every other time since 2000. In itself, means nothing. They'd never say otherwise, for the same reason you'd never see them advertise an NFL game as a probable blowout.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:11 pm

if the 538 pole positions were reversed the narrative would be "Romney cruising to clear victory" - as it stands, telling the truth wouldn't be 'fair'
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Luposapien » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:26 pm

Waiting in line to vote. Heaven help me. Guess we'll see how this goes.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby kelley » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:26 pm

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12461 ... -spectacle


The Election as a Marketing Spectacle
Friday, 02 November 2012 00:00
By Michael Meurer, Truthout | Op-Ed

The ferocity of US presidential campaigns - supposedly proof of a spirited debate between competing ideas and visions - is more of a contest among competing financial interests fighting for influence and market share, not democratic ideals.

With the US presidential election nearing its conclusion November 6, it seems worth noting, amid the self-promoting noise and bombast in the corporate media, that this is the most expensive election on earth, and that our election seasons last longer than in any other nation. More than $6 billion will have been spent on the Romney-Obama contest after two years of socially disruptive campaigning and fundraising.

For comparison, strict legal limits on campaign spending and a fast-paced electoral calendar in France ensured that their recent presidential election, including the runoff in May 2012, cost less than $50 million and lasted one month.

Mitt Romney and Barack Obama currently spend about as much on TV ads each week as the total cost of France's 2012 national election.

In the 36 years since Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter ran for president, the money spent on US presidential campaigns has increased 23 fold. This stupendous increase in campaign spending has almost nothing to do with an increase in democracy. It is more accurately viewed as a form of ostentatious national advertising spectacle on one hand, and a cutthroat bidding war by US-based global bankers on the other. The bankers' goal is to ensure an undemocratic outcome favorable to their interests. The election media blitz is placed center stage to distract attention from the anti-democratic bidding war taking place behind the scenes.

The spectacle

As advertising propaganda, the $6 billion, two-year media spectacle of a presidential contest is the biggest Hollywood epic of them all. This electoral blockbuster is intended to act as overwhelming proof to the world and the domestic electorate that US democracy is still the most vital and high-stakes political system in the world. In a nation of rampant consumerism, it is the ultimate form of conspicuous consumption. Yet the louder, more deafening and more costly this election bonanza becomes, the further it drifts from its democratic moorings.
In best Hollywood fashion, the duration, ubiquity and cost of the election are designed to entertain and distract, not to serve democracy. This elaborate sweepstakes numbs the domestic electorate into submission to gain their acquiescence in a choice between two neoliberal candidates who have been carefully vetted by those who are paying for the media extravaganza - Wall Street and its speculative cronies in the defense, energy and real estate sectors. At the same time, the spectacle is an attempt to dazzle the international audience with the sheer size and duration of the pyrotechnic display that is ostensibly being mounted in the service of a vibrant democracy.

The bidding war

Behind the scenes, a ferocious bidding war is taking place among competing economic interests to shape the policies of the next administration. The ferocity of US presidential campaigns is meant to be seen as proof of a spirited democratic debate between competing ideas and visions. In reality, it is more accurate to see it as evidence of a contest among the competing financial interests that are paying for the candidates. These financial interests are fighting for influence and market share, not democratic ideals. Their multibillion-dollar investment in electoral politics is simply an extension of an ongoing, and profoundly anti-democratic, economic assault aimed at consolidating the financial sector's grip on the world's largest economy.

It is not a mere coincidence that the timeline of this historic increase in US campaign spending parallels a similar increase in the financialization of the global economy. Worldwide financial transactions jumped in value from 15 times global gross domestic product (GDP) in 1997 to 70 times today. Similarly, the six largest banks in the United States now control assets valued at 64 percent of annual GDP, up from 17 percent in 1995. The political spending and influence of financial speculators has increased in lock step with their economic power under the ongoing neoliberal program of financial deregulation that began in the 1980s under Reagan and Thatcher.

Accordingly, the financial sector is the largest source of campaign money for the candidates. Over the past ten years, the financial sector has spent $2.7 billion on lobbying expenses and donated an additional $1 billion to political candidates, including Mr. Romney and President Obama in 2012. Indeed, Mr. Romney's top 20 contributors are all financial firms. This trend is likely to increase because of the recent US Supreme Court ruling called Citizens United, which lifted all limits on independent campaign expenditures. As just one example, it is estimated that the billionaire Koch brothers of Texas will spend $1 billion of their personal fortune in support of Mr. Romney in the 2012 US election.
In the new financialized economy, the simple democratic notion of "one person, one vote" is now dead.

End game

From this perspective, the 2012 US election is like a high-technology shell game. While voters are distracted by the enormously expensive media spectacle, the global financial class, embodied in the United States by what is called the FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate and energy), continues its march toward privatization of the entire public sector. With the right US president, this global speculative class believes it will finally be able to eliminate all opposition to its privatization and austerity agenda. The model for its program is Greece.

Does it matter?

Given the wholesale financialization of US national politics, does it make any difference whether Mr. Obama or Mr. Romney is elected?

The answer is yes, it matters a great deal.

John Lennon is reported to have once said that in Britain, the difference between Labor and the Conservatives was miniscule. But Lennon immediately added that this tiny, tiny difference was also the space where most of us live our lives. The same is true of Democrats and Republicans in the United States. The difference has never been more miniscule. Ironically, it is also true that it has rarely been more important.

While either candidate will be severely constrained by the enormous imbalances in political and economic power that favor the FIRE and military sectors, the victor is nonetheless the US commander in chief, with access to the world's largest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. Even small differences in a candidate's temperament become important when dealing with a $1 trillion annual military machine, a machine that costs twice as much as the rest of the world's annual military budgets combined.

The election also matters to the extent that Mr. Obama may serve as a tiny impediment to the Wall Street and Pentagon agenda. Mr. Romney is clearly 100 percent captive to both Wall Street and the same neoconservative hawks who guided George W. Bush's pre-emptive, militaristic foreign policy.

Mr. Obama is proposing small but steady reductions in the Pentagon budget, regulation of the US health insurance cartels, modest tax increases for the wealthy and an emphasis on larger public sector investments in education, health care, clean energy and infrastructure.

Mr. Obama's agenda is still guided by an imperial ethos, but it is a much less virulent and war-prone version than Mr. Romney's. If nothing else, another term for Mr. Obama buys more time for countervailing democratic movements to grow, develop and organize at the grassroots across outdated ideological lines to create a stronger opposition movement for the future.


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it's incredible how many times the same argument can be made in the same way. appealing to 'small differences in a candidate's temperament' as a persuasive rhetorical trope is weak.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Luposapien » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:33 pm

Grasping at straws.
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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:46 pm

that's right, The Baffler is back

The Long Con: Mail-order conservatism
Rick Perlstein | from The Baffler No. 21

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The leaders are easy to study; they stand still. We can amass reams on their pasts, catalog great quantities of data on what they say in the present. Grasping the shape of a mass public, though, is a more fugitive process. Publics are amorphous, protean, fuzzy; they don’t leave behind neat documentary trails. Studying the leaders they choose helps us see them more sharply. Political theorist James MacGregor Burns’s classic book Leadership explains that “leadership over human beings is exercised when persons with certain motives and purposes mobilize, in competition or conflict with others, institutional, political, psychological, and other resources so as to arouse, engage, and satisfy the motives of followers . . . in order to realize goals mutually held by both leaders and followers.” Watching charismatic people try to seize their attention and win their allegiance becomes the intellectual whetstone. As political psychologist Harold Lasswell once put it, a successful aspirant to leadership is one whose “private motives are displaced onto public objects and rationalized in terms of public interest.” Watching those private motives at work, the public they seek to convince comes into focus.

All righty, then: both the rank-and-file voters and the governing elites of a major American political party chose as their standardbearer a pathological liar. What does that reveal about them?

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Re: The 2012 "Election" thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:43 am

Jeff wrote:

"Election theft really is like stealing candy from a baby, because the electorate has been infantilized, and even if they notice the theft they'll cry and cry and then fall asleep."

Well expressed, Jeff.

I predict Romney gets trounced in Ohio. Game over. O wins.

People aren't ready yet. Time to awaken.

It's gettin uglier and uglier.

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