David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[slimmouse]

OK, I'll start.

I like Icke because he confrims my own inherent belief that our consciousness surives our bodies. I had always believed this previously, but couldnt get my head around the God that everyone else was taking as a given.

Icke provided an escape albeit for a confirmed theist into territory that I could relate to, as opposed to a God who required both deep respect and human sacrifice.

Maybe there are gods who require such dedication, but I really didnt want to be any part of that scene as soon as I was old enough to recognise the contradiction.

[Canadian_watcher]

well, honestly there's a major problem in the demand "which parts of this do you believe/not believe" -- it's that I personally don't know! Belief is kind of.. kind of an impediment to thinking and to progress so I try not to believe anything too strongly.

Maybe it's okay to just hold ideas in your mind without believing them or disbelieving them but with an eye to someday figuring out whether or not they are true.

[American Dream]

AD, I think you're officially Avoiding the Question at this point.

The question is based on an unsubstantiated premise. Searcher is welcome to provide specific quotes.

[American Dream]

well, honestly there's a major problem in the demand "which parts of this do you believe/not believe" -- it's that I personally don't know! Belief is kind of.. kind of an impediment to thinking and to progress so I try not to believe anything too strongly.

Some people can say I definitely do or don't believe- others can say- for example- I know of no good evidence but I can't rule it out...

[jingofever]

Why the obsession with Icke? Shouldn't we have had this discussion ten or fifteen years ago? I probably don't believe any of his theories but think he is probably a better person than his critics are. He seems to be motivated by genuine concern for humanity (and animals as well, being a vegetarian), his critics seem to revel in ridicule and I am guilty of that myself. He doesn't seem bitter about the years of ridicule for sport. Had it happened to me I would be in jail for killing somebody.

On alien-human hybrids I am undecided. Plenty of alleged abductees have reported such things.

[Searcher08]

Yah, but I don't see what's so hard about saying "I have no proof that alien/human hybrids exist". Why is that so hard to say? No one is obligated to say whether they do or don't. And if they don't say that that very definitely does not mean that they do believe it. But nonetheless, why so much resistance? I mean it takes all the wind out of the sails of your opponents. Is it a refusal on principle? Just plain pigheadedness? I don't get it.

I for one know of no evidence of alien/human hybrids.

I don't find that difficult at all.

I won't find that difficult to reconsider if evidence is forthcoming either.

And either way I don't consider it nearly as important as the FACT that Icke used the PEZ as a template for some of his mythos.

It isnt pigheadness - it is being shoe-horned to say I BELEIVE or I DISBELIEVE when I dont subscibe to that binary logic.

Imagine being stuck on a room with someone colourblind saying Is this Black or White while showing you Kodacolor prints.

But saying this to a Black or White person who doesnt do Green...

I visualise have a line of probabilities that things move along according to would you believe, a combination of rigour and intuition.

The area of investigating ETI interaction is one I am very careful and wary around, and that is because doing it seems to shorten life expectation and I use "is there a trail of dead people" as a stigmergic mark that indicates the hottest topics. Around the bases and hybrids
Alien Bases by Timothy Good which is also one of the best collections of just how many truly strange encounters have taken place. One thing I like about Good is that he just presents information, quite like Rich Dolan - rather than put a spin on it like Greer

Masquerade of Angels by Karla Turner, whose videos on youtube are worth checking out
I think Karla was a really intelligent, diligent and extremely brave woman. My instinct is that she was killed.

and finally Phil Schneider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzWGsO0F3b8 , which is very good if you can get past the Loose Change soundtrack style. My intuition is that Schneider has been at the centre of a disinfo campaign.

Both Turner and Schneider were subjected to extreme harrasment, threats etc etc
Tim Good, AFAIK has not been but the UK press does a Little Green Men and some skeptic knob "Tut Tuts about how there is no evidence for anything outside Earth"

Does this impact me on a day to day basis? - nope.
I dont know if that is Ickean or not - I file it under
'interesting and best left for someone else with more of a death wish than i have'

[American Dream]

On alien-human hybrids I am undecided. Plenty of alleged abductees have reported such things.

I could say personally that no proof exists of alien-human hybrids but anything is possible.

[Searcher08]

I need to come back to this - but for a clarity addendum - the alien / hybrids reported by both Turner and Schneider have nothing to do with Reptilians, Annunaki, blood drinkers or David Icke AFAIK

[American Dream]

Where's the Harm?

Sure, it's silly and clearly a waste of time, but is there any moral hazard in promoting stories about interdimensional Reptilian overlords?

On February 27, 17-year-old Thomas "T.J." Lane allegedly walked into his high school cafeteria in Chardon, Ohio, and randomly opened fire on other students, killing three and wounding three others. The motivations for this crime are doubtlessly manifold - among other things, Lane comes from a family with a history of violence - but commentators on the case noted that the troubled young man was fond of David Icke's work.

While Icke is in no way culpable for this young man's actions, we must examine the implications of classifying people as human and not-quite-human. Icke has stated that not all Reptilians in the universe are necessarily evil, yet makes it very plain that the ones in charge of Earth are truly awful, remorseless bastards. His personal solution to the situation is "infinite love". But preaching infinite love isn't going to stop some lunatic from taking out a person he believes could be a Reptilian child rapist, is it?

And the belief in body-snatching aliens is only growing. After his death in 2009, Anomalist Books published Mac Tonnies's influential book on the subject, The Cryptoterrestrials. Jay Weidner has since taken up his mantle, warning us about evil-minded Archons. Historian David Jacobs got himself into a hell of a mess with his fear of alien-human hybrids. Diazien Hossencofft is in federal prison for persuading his gullible girlfriend that his ex-wife, an unassuming bank teller named Girly Chew, was a Reptilian priestess who had to be slaughtered. Chew vanished in 1999, the same year Revelations of a Mother Goddess was released.

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/ ... inati.html

[Canadian_watcher]

a killer was fond of David Icke's work, eh?

immediate thoughts:
what else was he fond of that the report doesn't find worthy of mention?
smear tactic
scare tactic
shoddy journalism

[Searcher08]

a killer was fond of David Icke's work, eh?

immediate thoughts:
what else was he fond of that the report doesn't find worthy of mention?
smear tactic
scare tactic
shoddy journalism

That is the manipulative garbage from another pseudoskeptic site.
Utter junk journalism and smear 101.

Alex Constantine thinks she is bollocks and I agree
What a waste of time.

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/sm-elliott-mole-and-his-blog.html

[Project Willow]

I don't like asking people to read links, but in this case i ask you to read my response to the prior message.

You are projecting.

No, and you're deflecting again. I made a qualified assessment of how others might interpret your intentions, based on evidence, Mr. Illiminutti.

Projection is what you're doing here:

I feel like Galileo showing the church his brand new telescope. Without knowing where he intends to point it or what he intends to find, he is judged a heretic.

Believe it or not, my sign off was meant to me humorous.

Obviously it was an attempt a humor, the issue is, at whose expense. Feel free to clarify.

[American Dream]

Alex Constantine thinks she is bollocks and I agree

Alex Constantine calls Davi Icke a neo-Nazi.


http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... -nazi.html

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... t-two.html

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... ee-my.html

[Iamwhomiam]

I may add a comment or two once I catch-up. That's 24 pages, so it may take some time.

I suspect and anticipate to somehow benefit from this, but it seems more like punishment.

Who is this guy? MIB? Like bad breath and a drippy cold all wrapped into one, right beside you, in a jammed elevator. Hope some reading improves my first impression.

[Searcher08]

Alex Constantine thinks she is bollocks and I agree

Alex Constantine calls Davi Icke a neo-Nazi.


http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... -nazi.html

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... t-two.html

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.c ... ee-my.html

So do you agree with Constantines assessment of Elliott?

If you think Icke is a neo Nazi, why are you having a conversation about him on an anti-fascist board?

The ADL think he is an anti-Semite - - do you? If you do, why are you entertaining debate about him on this board?

Do you agree with the ADL's assessment of Icke?

Left-wing/Anarchist
Icke, David. Added 9/30/01. In an essay on his Web site titled "Alice in Wonderland and the WTC disaster," conspiracy theorist and (*) VIRULENT anti-Semite David Icke writes, "If you are looking for the force behind the U.S. atrocities, just ask: who benefits?" According to Icke, the September 11 attacks were the doing of the Illuminati, "the force that seeks to control this world and introduce its global fascist state." Although the world was moving towards global centralized fascism, Icke writes, it was not moving fast enough to suit the elites, who saw opposition to their globalization plans growing. As a result, they planned something of "enormous magnitude" that would "so devastate the collective human mind" that "solutions" could be offered that "would advance the agenda in a colossal leap almost overnight." According to Icke, Osama Bin Laden, though "deeply misguided," is no more responsible for the attacks than Icke was. He was the equivalent of Lee Harvey Oswald, a convenient villain upon which the crime could be blamed.