TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:58 am

RocketMan » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:30 am wrote:I find fascinating these few posters who only seem to participate in threads that involve gender or race and seem to specialize in vague, disgruntled, meandering posts which end up implying that white heterosexual men may be the most oppressed and at risk group in the world right now and that racism and sexism are really very nuanced things (which they of course are), and that some facets of them may in fact be justified.



I don't see anybody saying any of that, how do you even get to that interpretation?

I am fascinated that we still get the weird arguments that argue the inverted image of what you just said, are just inaccurate by a large margin, and that people still think others will let it slide. After all it was this boars that first made me reconsider the received, socially acceptable, politically correct wisdom on these topics.

Are you implying that some posters here are more fascinating than Donald Trump?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby jakell » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:29 am

tapitsbo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:58 pm wrote:
RocketMan » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:30 am wrote:I find fascinating these few posters who only seem to participate in threads that involve gender or race and seem to specialize in vague, disgruntled, meandering posts which end up implying that white heterosexual men may be the most oppressed and at risk group in the world right now and that racism and sexism are really very nuanced things (which they of course are), and that some facets of them may in fact be justified.



I don't see anybody saying any of that, how do you even get to that interpretation?

I am fascinated that we still get the weird arguments that argue the inverted image of what you just said, are just inaccurate by a large margin, and that people still think others will let it slide. After all it was this boars that first made me reconsider the received, socially acceptable, politically correct wisdom on these topics.

Are you implying that some posters here are more fascinating than Donald Trump?


As an aside, here's my version of why you are being cast as a 'bad person'. It's probably something you're already aware of, but doesn't often get put into words.

In the current (read 'last couple of decades') political climate, one is expected to litter discussion of themes such as race and sexual politics etc with plenty of loud and clear signals to indicate where you stand. Even when these personal value judgements interfere with any rational analysis of your text, they are still sort of expected, and the lack of them causes alarm in some readers.
This is a continuation of my theme about being judged by what you don't say.

I've made it plain by now that I consciously refuse to include these signals most of the time (even when I'm tempted to put one in, I think twice) because these folks annoy me and I'm giving them the finger.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:36 am

They don't annoy me and neither do you jakell. I am grateful to everyone here for helping me enrichen my understanding on a number of topics.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:29 pm

How Trump Dog-Whistles the Business Establishment

He cleverly woos the GOP base on issues like trade, but this working-class hero is actually a willing agent of the One Percenters.


By William Greider

Today 11:41 am

Even as Donald Trump woos working-class voters by trashing Washington politicians, he is sending a reassuring message to the business-financial establishment: Don’t worry, I’m on your side, he’s telling corporate execs in coded language. Trump the dealmaker has signaled that he’ll deliver mammoth tax “forgiveness”—worth hundreds of billions—to the largest multinational corporations.

Trump delivered this message during his victory speech in Florida this past Tuesday, but it was couched in evasive and deceitful terms that only insiders were likely to understand. Business and financial leaders will certainly get it, because they’re lobbying intensely for the same deal: massive tax reductions for gold-plated names like Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, and scores of other globalized American corporations.

The companies have $2.1 trillion in overseas profits parked offshore and untaxed, and they won’t bring the money home until Congress agrees to give them another “tax holiday” and permanently reduces the corporate tax rate.

Except Trump makes it sound like the multinationals are the victims—held hostage by dirty politicians. In fact, it’s the opposite. The tech companies, mega-banks, and drug makers are carrying out the corporate version of highway robbery: If Congress doesn’t give in to their demands, they threaten to pull the trigger by moving to Ireland or other low-tax hangouts.

“I’m disgusted with it; I’m tired of seeing it,” Trump told his adoring fans. “People can’t get their money back into the country because the politicians can’t get along, they can’t make a deal…. Companies are leaving our country in order to go and get money—that’s their money—because there’s no way of bringing it in.”

Trump says he would change all that instantly as president. The dealmaker would introduce a cooperative spirit of compromise. “If I sat down with a few of the senators, or a few of the congressmen, you could make a deal on that in ten minutes,” he said.

Like so much of his campaign rhetoric, Trump turns reality into baloney. The multinationals can bring their profits home anytime they wish. Like right now. They merely have to pay the taxes they already owe. The threat to American citizens is that both Democrats and Republicans will cave in and collaborate in giving the corporate tax dodgers what they want. The rest of us will pick up the tab.

Campaign reporters and cable-TV talkers missed the story entirely, though it’s not exactly their fault, because Trump distorted the true meaning of what he was promising. I imagine campaign reporters ignored this talk because it sounded like more of Trump’s goofy stream-of-consciousness soliloquies.

The only reason I caught his drift was that Trump was talking about the very subject of my recent Nation blog, “Democrats and Republicans Are Quietly Planning a Corporate Giveaway—to the Tune of $400 Billion.” Senator Elizabeth Warren has already denounced this bipartisan political scheme as “a giant wet kiss for the tax dodgers.” Indeed, It is another stunning example of why Washington dealmaking enrages citizens.

Most voters don’t have a clue. They certainly do not realize that this working-class hero named Trump is actually a willing agent of the One Percenters. Who will tell the people, if reporters covering the presidential election think it’s only a horse race?

Trump, I suspect, is turning a corner in his campaign. Having bonded with millions of hurt and angry working people, he’s attempting now to assure elites that he can also play “presidential” in a convincing manner. After ridiculing Marco Rubio mercilessly for months, Trump congratulated the young man on his campaign and predicted a promising future for him. Ho-ho-ho.

Trump also had a nice talk with the Grand Wizard of GOP obstruction, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, who urged him to go light on the violent lingo. Trump also made nice with House Speaker Paul Ryan.

I expect this next phase of the Trump campaign will test the Republican temperament generally. Will party regulars depart on principle if he wins the nomination (not many have, so far)? Or will they hop on board in the vague hope that Trump is a winner who might “mature” in the caldron of presidential responsibilities?

I imagine Trump is imperially pleased with himself. He chuckles when he does his hair. Not sure himself which way to go, he knows it will be great.


While I wish Greider would do similar research on Trump's influence with military-industrial complex entities like Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics and Boeing where his call to deploy U.S. forces in the South China Sea is concerned, I appreciate him pointing out the con Trump is pulling on the issue of trade. There is no way Trump would be allowed to get this close to the nomination if he was truly outside the system. He may act that way in terms of the GOP establishment and his overall campaign approach, but in terms of the way money works, the Big Bank/Wall Street/Military-Industrial/Intelligence-Security State Apparatus, Trump has been wining and dining these psychopaths for decades. Trump not only is the system, he is the face of their aspirations for feudal power.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:41 pm

Indeed, this is why the further left's gradual embrace of the United States of America as a project over the last decade is so odd, even if it makes tactical sense when opposed to their other mode where they reject it.

The system isn't going to be fixed within its own rules and it's only really getting better for the extremely rich.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:40 pm

vince » 18 Mar 2016 23:09 wrote:I'm surprised the phrase:
"Shut the fuck up, Donnie!" from "The Big Lebowski"
hasn't gotten popular yet!


There's a fair chance it will be in the next few years.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:18 pm

jakell » 19 Mar 2016 01:29 wrote:In the current (read 'last couple of decades') political climate, one is expected to litter discussion of themes such as race and sexual politics etc with plenty of loud and clear signals to indicate where you stand. Even when these personal value judgements interfere with any rational analysis of your text, they are still sort of expected, and the lack of them causes alarm in some readers.
This is a continuation of my theme about being judged by what you don't say.

I've made it plain by now that I consciously refuse to include these signals most of the time (even when I'm tempted to put one in, I think twice) because these folks annoy me and I'm giving them the finger.



You send plenty of signals mate.

Its not just the ones you don't send.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:43 am

I haven't watched Fox News in months. Turned it on to see how they were treating the Donald and they are giving him a whoopin from hell. He isn't on Fox News, he is in Salt Lake City getting ready to do a rally. I didn't realize they were grinding him down this bad. Fox says hundreds of "Bernie" supporters there too. BLM same setup basically as Chicago. Somebody is pumping some cash into these protests.

These people are hostile. They are standing in the Trump supporters faces screaming in their face inches from their face and shit like that. Very violent attitudes. I haven't watched any of this political shit on tv so far but i'm gonna watch this rally.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:02 am

wait, he is skipping this debate isn't he?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:06 am

They're giving trump hell because he is their paid actor playing the part of an antihero.

If he was really coming out of left field they would have ignored him like ralph nader or ron paul... or jill stein fwiw
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:13 am

Black Lives Matter hired Trump in order to make racism bad?
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Postby tapitsbo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:22 am

No you did personally Luther Blisset.

What are your thoughts on the Mexican laws about race and immigration, man?
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Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:23 am

Sad to say but I don't know anything about them. And barely anything about Mexican law in general.
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Postby tapitsbo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:31 am

Neither do I. I've heard you need to be part of the right race to be a citizen there though. Food for thought, especially for those seeking asylum should Trump win.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:42 pm

Rabbis, Jewish leaders plan boycott of Donald Trump at AIPAC
By Tal Kopan, CNN

Updated 9:05 PM ET, Fri March 18, 2016

Rabbis, Jewish leaders plan boycott of Donald Trump at AIPAC
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/ ... index.html
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