Coming Soon - War with Iran?

[Harvey]

It's looking like Soleimani was lured to his death by an American/Saudi ploy. Worth reading the whole thread. https://twitter.com/Mustafa_salimb/stat ... 7626431490

[Cordelia]

A red flag has been hoisted atop the largest mosque in Iran which symbolises the notion that a war will now be fought. This is not good....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFUV-O2UWM

A blood-red flag symbolizing vengeance unfurled Saturday above the dome of Jamarkaran Mosque in Qom, Iran, a day after the United States killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani and Iraqi militia leader Abu Mahdi al Muhandis.

The flag, inscribed with the words "Those who want to avenge the blood of Hussein," was hoisted above the mosque's shrine for what local reports claimed was the first time in history, according to the Daily Mail.

The grandson of Muhammad, Hussein was decapitated in A.D. 680 during the Second Islamic Civil War, when Muslims were fighting over who was the proper successor to their prophet. The act was met with bloody retaliation from Muslims who considered Hussein's death unjust and sought to avenge him.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -at-mosque

Photo of The Jamarkaran Mosque before replacing the flag:

[MacCruiskeen]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

It is not just deranged, it's depraved. Openly fascist now.

You both need reading comprehension lessons.

No, we don't. We understand perfectly well what you've written and then chosen to publish here. It is unambiguous. You are deranged. You are crazily euphoric. You are babbling. And you should realise that you are going to feel very, very depressed when that currently rushing stream of manic fascist consciousness suddenly dries up and you come down hard off your surrogate killing-high.

So go now and get the best help you can find (tranquilisers, no doubt) from that wonderful anti-commie healthcare system of yours, the envy of the civilised world, before you act out your depraved fantasies of mass murder in one of your marvellous mega-malls and then have to spend the rest of your days in secure solitary in one of your thrilling hi-tech Supermax™ dungeons, the envy of the civilised world.

[RocketMan]

FourthBase, you have posted interesting stuff, but your writing now is purely insulting, even threatening to us non-Americans, and also fascistic. I suggest cooling off. I am very sad that fantasies of mass death and violence seem to give you such joy. I hope such horrors are never visited upon you.

I have thought about what Iran might do next. Would they gamble on the US not being so insane as to do another ground invasion and tie itself in another futile counterinsurgency? And just launch major attacks on US forces? Well, whatever they do, it obviously won't even try to be deniable, which opens the door to escalating retaliations from the US, leading up to a full invasion. They could pressure the West generally by implementing a no doubt fully thought out and prepared plan to close off or severely limit passage through the Hormuz Strait. Mines.

And no ones has even mentioned nukes. The crazies in the US military have been itching to test out their newfangled doctrine of limited nuclear war and mini nukes. Jesus Fucking Christ this is anxiety-inducing.

[FourthBase]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

It is not just deranged, it's depraved. Openly fascist now.

You both need reading comprehension lessons.

No, we don't. We understand perfectly well what you've written and then chosen to publish here. It is unambiguous. You are deranged. You are crazily euphoric. You are babbling. And you should realise that you are going to feel very, very depressed when that currently rushing stream of manic fascist consciousness suddenly dries up and you come down hard off your surrogate killing-high.

So go now and get the best help you can find (tranquilisers, no doubt) from that wonderful anti-commie healthcare system of yours, the envy of the civilised world, before you act out your depraved fantasies of mass murder in one of your marvellous mega-malls and then have to spend the rest of your days in secure solitary in one of your thrilling hi-tech Supermax™ dungeons, the envy of the civilised world.

"Euphoric"?



I am none of that, but cool, whatever, thanks for trying to gaslight me. No chance of you substantively engaging with any of what I wrote, right? Of course not. Didn't occur to you that I was holding up a mirror, did it? Of course not, not even after I mentioned it. Do you really think a fascist would imagine a world where Nazis ought to have been nuked to stop the Holocaust? Of course not. You know what fascists love doing, though? Blaming Jews for everything. So, yeah, take a gander.

[Elvis]

Strike two. To stay in the game, I'd stop swinging.

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Devil's advocate you say.

[FourthBase]

FourthBase, you have posted interesting stuff, but your writing now is purely insulting, even threatening to us non-Americans, and also fascistic. I suggest cooling off. I am very sad that fantasies of mass death and violence seem to give you such joy. I hope such horrors are never visited upon you.

You, too. Reading comprehension class, urgently needed. Where in the hell did you see joy? I was flippant. There's a difference. You also failed to grasp the idea that I was mostly trying to tell you guys that you're as bad as the fascists by assuming the mirror of your toxic positions.

But yeah, I also truly am an American chauvinist. I prefer this country, this Constitution, these people. If there's ever really a choice between terrorists killing 10,000 Americans or Americans killing 100,000 non-Americans to stop those terrorists, sorry, I'm picking the latter. If a country nuked one of our cities, I would support nuking that entire country into extinction, to discourage any other country from ever nuking another American city. Those positions make me a fascist? Fine. I'm a little bit of a fascist, then. So is the majority of America. So is the majority of the world, if the tables were turned. The whole world is fascist. Wonderful. You've just normalized fascism. Congrats. Oh, sorry, in case that isn't clear: Congrats.

I have thought about what Iran might do next. Would they gamble on the US not being so insane as to do another ground invasion and tie itself in another futile counterinsurgency? And just launch major attacks on US forces? Well, whatever they do, it obviously won't even try to be deniable, which opens the door to escalating retaliations from the US, leading up to a full invasion. They could pressure the West generally by implementing a no doubt fully thought out and prepared plan to close off or severely limit passage through the Hormuz Strait. Mines.

Iraq just voted to expel US forces, right? (However binding that decision actually is or isn't.) That was probably not a surprise. Might have been part of the plan, to free up commitments. How many troops are left in Afghanistan and are they really needed? I see no reason why the US wouldn't send just about every available soldier in the world to Iran if need be. But the missiles and bombs alone would probably do the trick. I cannot imagine that the US military hasn't already out-planned every conceivable Iranian defense.

If I were Iran, and if I were a devious son of a bitch, I'd hire Sunnis as a proxy and pray to Allah that there's no proof discovered. That'd be their only hope of getting revenge without being annihilated. Unless Russia or China get involved. Which would be bad. Mostly bad for the rest of the world, because the US would still win, but very bad regardless.

And no ones has even mentioned nukes. The crazies in the US military have been itching to test out their newfangled doctrine of limited nuclear war and mini nukes. Jesus Fucking Christ this is anxiety-inducing.

Pretty sure I mentioned nukes, didn't I? It's a horrific prospect. They would only be a remotely proportional response to a nuke or a devastating biological attack, so I sure as fuck hope it doesn't go there. If Trump nukes Iran in the absence of mass death, he'd be an all-time war criminal and would deserve the rope. If there's mass American death, and Iran doesn't take credit, I'd have to assume it wasn't Iran but an inside job. But hey, maybe Iran really is that suicidal. Would very, very much prefer not to find out.

[FourthBase]

Strike two. To stay in the game, I'd stop swinging.

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Devil's advocate you say.

Excuse me? Explain the strike, please.

Did you all miss this part?

"How does that sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though."

Does being an anti-fascist board mean never being able to tell supposed anti-fascists that they resemble fascists?

[MacCruiskeen]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

It is not just deranged, it's depraved. Openly fascist now.

You both need reading comprehension lessons.

No, we don't. We understand perfectly well what you've written and then chosen to publish here. It is unambiguous. You are deranged. You are crazily euphoric. You are babbling. And you should realise that you are going to feel very, very depressed when that currently rushing stream of manic fascist consciousness suddenly dries up and you come down hard off your surrogate killing-high.

So go now and get the best help you can find (tranquilisers, no doubt) from that wonderful anti-commie healthcare system of yours, the envy of the civilised world, before you act out your depraved fantasies of mass murder in one of your marvellous mega-malls and then have to spend the rest of your days in secure solitary in one of your thrilling hi-tech Supermax™ dungeons, the envy of the civilised world.

"Euphoric"?

A LOL smiley. You are too thick to notice how you've just proven my point. You're euphoric, you're ecstatic, you're LOLing, you can hardly wait for the fun times to come. Like Master Brian Hook, you are a deranged elderly infant, cackling and capering with glee at an achieved double murder and the imminent prospect of catastrophic war.

Do you really think a fascist would imagine a world where Nazis ought to have been nuked to stop the Holocaust?

Of course he would, so of course you would (and did). That's precisely what fascists do: They fantasise about eradicating Evil and purifying the world by committing indiscriminate mass murder against the designated Bad Guys (men, women and children), and then they act on those fantasies if given the chance plus approval from above. See, for example, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where your Indispensable Nation showed the world its moral fibre, twice. So naturally your fantasies turn very quickly to "nukes" (sic), of which your Pentagon now has many thousands at its disposal.

You are a textbook example of a fascist, not least in your stupidity, and you are too thick to realise it. Wilhelm Reich had your number more than eighty years ago. Fascists like you are ten-a-penny, in any nation, in any generation, and especially in your nation and generation after nearly two decades of depraved global war. You are just one of many previously-disingenuous dumbfuck American "liberal" fascists now given license by the Great Trump Derangement to let out his innere Schweinehund without the slightest pudeur. You have become Death, the destroyer of worlds, and you're lovin' it.

You know what fascists love doing, though? Blaming Jews for everything.

Who did that? Only you. You and you alone, you self-described, self-adoring "patriot". You are an American fascist, FB, damned repeatedly by your own words, and now out & proud.

[MacCruiskeen]

[...]

Anyway, call it statecraft, because the USA has just managed to alienate and infuriate Iran and Iraq simultaneously. Whose wish was that? Who insisted on making it come true? Why? And, above all, cui bono, exactly? I am almost completely half afraid to wonder aloud.

I'm certainly not the only one asking these questions. Who decided this double murder was a good idea? Why now, exactly? And who benefits, if anyone?

Along with Kit Knightly, Catte Black is one of the OffGuardian authors who is always worth reading, and I recommend this article by her (links in the original):

Jan 4, 2020 94 comments
Soleimani murder: developing narrative

[...]

But what was the venture? What the desired outcome? No one seems to have a very satisfactory answer to that right now.

As we said yesterday, war with Iran has been the auto-erotic fixation for the hardcore war nuts in Washington for years, and imminent confrontation has been predicted regularly since at least 2005.

But it’s never become a reality because the non-crazies in Washington know the risks outweigh the benefits for US interests.

Sure, we know in recent times the Trump administration has been ramping up the tensions again. Tearing up the nuclear deal, re-imposing sanctions, sabre-rattling, making threats. But this has all been within the familiar framework that always just stops short of actual conflict.

The murder of Soleimani is orders of magnitude beyond anything they have ever risked before. Good analysts like the Saker and Moon of Alabama have pointed out that the US has basically defeated its own aims, all but destroyed itself in the region. In MoA’s words:

The U.S. has won nothing with its attack but will feel the consequences for decades to come. From now on its position in the Middle East will be severely constrained. Others will move in to take its place.

Even if this turns out too dire and sweeping a prediction, the truth still is clear that the US have apparently gained nothing from this venture and lost a great deal.

Of course both the US and Israel now have carte blanche to stage as much false flag ‘terrorism’ as they want and blame it on Iranian ‘revenge’. Whatever else happens, we can almost certainly look forward to some of that.

And, there is the bonus of being able to drive the US homeland even further toward fascism in the guise of ‘preparing’ for new waves of terror attacks. The Mayor of New York is already doing his own narrative preparation for this, claiming, per the Jerusalem Post that

We have to assume this action puts us in a de facto state of war

But all this seems small gains for massive losses. The question ‘what were you thinking?’ hangs there, currently unanswered. ...

[...]

https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/04/sol ... narrative/

[FourthBase]

A LOL smiley. You are too thick to notice how you've just proven my point. You're euphoric, you're ecstatic, you're LOLing, you can hardly wait for the fun times to come. Like Master Brian Hook, you are a deranged elderly infant, cackling and capering with glee at an achieved double murder and the imminent prospect of catastrophic war.

Nope. I'm laughing at your failure to understand me, at your wild misreading of me as being "euphoric", lol. You're ridiculous.

"Do you really think a fascist would imagine a world where Nazis ought to have been nuked to stop the Holocaust?"

Of course he would, so of course you would (and did). That's precisely what fascists do: They fantasise about eradicating Evil and purifying the world by committing indiscriminate mass murder against the designated Bad Guys (men, women and children), and then they act on those fantasies if given the chance plus approval from above. See, for example, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where your Indispensable Nation showed the world its moral fibre, twice. So naturally your fantasies turn very quickly to "nukes" (sic), of which your Pentagon now has many thousands at its disposal.

In other words, you wouldn't nuke Berlin in, say, 1941 to save, what, 50 million people? Why? (And you're saying that merely asking about that hypothetical where the obvious correct thing to do is kill the Nazis means I'm a fascist? Splendid logic.) It's not about eradicating evil or purifying the world. It'd be about destroying one Nazi city and killing 100,000 people in order to save 50 million. If the Allies could've done the same with regular old bombs and tanks, would you object? I sure hope not.

You are a textbook example of a fascist, not least in your stupidity, and you are too thick to realise it. Wilhelm Reich had your number more than eighty years ago. Fascists like you are ten-a-penny, in any nation, in any generation, and especially in your nation and generation after nearly two decades of depraved global war. You are just one of many previously-disingenuous dumbfuck American "liberal" fascists now given license by the Great Trump Derangement to let out his innere Schweinehund without the slightest pudeur. You have become Death, the destroyer of worlds, and you're lovin' it.

Uh, no. But if it makes you feel good to shadowbox and vent, more power to you. It's an anxious moment. Get it all out.

"You know what fascists love doing, though? Blaming Jews for everything."

Who did that? Only you. You and you alone, you self-described, self-adoring "patriot". You are an American fascist, FB, damned repeatedly by your own words, and now out & proud.

Me? I'm an antisemite? Only me, lol? Do you know how transparently ludicrous that is? Have you read this thread? Have you ever read this board before? Have you ever read back to yourself what you yourself write? Go ahead. Try. The part in this thread where you did the whole Dare Not Speak Their Name thing was cute. Oh my, who on earth could you have possibly meant?

[MacCruiskeen]

I will waste no more time with you, Little Boy. Never fear, you will get even more of the mass murders you crave and salivate over. Men, women and children will die horribly in their millions, just as you wish. You will see your sainted Pentagon bombing large cities. You will have that pleasure. You will watch it on TV and lol.

Until then, fuck off from this board with your cretinous smileys and your dark imaginings. (Chaucer had your number six centuries before Reich.) You are a loathsome, flamebaiting, mass-murder-fantasising, deranged and criminally-stupid 21st-century all-American fascist warmonger.


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Hiroshima:


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Nagasaki. two days later (because one mass-murder of civilians wasn't enough):


First A-bomb exhibition in 20 years in Washington, showing glimpse of horror of one of the biggest war crimes committed by U.S.

[FourthBase]

I will waste no more time with you. Just fuck off, you loathsome, flamebaiting, mass-murder-fantasising, deranged and criminally-stupid fascist prick,

Just for the record, then, in Mac's universe, even if the Allies had a nuke ready to destroy Berlin and end the Third Reich early and stop the Holocaust and save tens of millions of lives, he would refuse to use it, because...I don't know why. Aesthetics? Nah, probably because he would then be forced to admit that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were similarly justified, and that would spoil one of the left's favorite reasons to despise America. Gotta preserve that America-hatred at all costs, even if it would mean letting the Nazis murder millions of Jews. Mac's a hard man, making a hard choice. Definitely nothing like a fascist, that Mac, nope.

[kelley]

one thing is likely certain

the astonishingly beautiful building in the photo above? the jarmarkaran mosque?

rubble within a year

because some of the 52 iranian targets allegedly selected by the US for destruction include cultural sites

fucking

wonderful

happy new year

[Harvey]

It's worth having this in the thread, for context, Max Blumenthal and Jimmy Dore capably handling the mainstream discussion.