Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[MacCruiskeen]

Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...

... and although the whole front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is clearly visible throughout - from before the first set of single shots to after the first burst of loud rapid fire - at no time is there any sign of a muzzle flash from anywhere in that building.

That`s the second video I`ve seen that clearly shows the relevant side of the hotel, including the whole of the 32nd floor, while sustained loud gunfire is audible -- and there is no muzzle flash to be seen at any time. Not the faintest flicker. Not the slightest indication that anyone is firing from the Mandalay.

[elfismiles]

Thanks for reposting this Willow.

I've downloaded for posterity.

Those "pops" sound quite different than on other recordings and don't sound like firecrackers to me.

Just FYI, there is a FB video I linked to up thread, no visual, just audio. It records the beginning of shooting during the second to last song, popping sounds, someone screaming, and his buddy asks him why he is ducking. Then there's more screaming and yelling to stay down before the last song starts.

Around 4:10:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 1613063982

[elfismiles]

Yeah, I've done a cursory YouTube search for AR15 nighttime muzzle flash vids but haven't found any specific to that kind of distance.

Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...

... and although the whole front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is clearly visible throughout - from before the first set of single shots to after the first burst of loud rapid fire - at no time is there any sign of a muzzle flash from anywhere in that building.

That`s the second video I`ve seen that clearly shows the relevant side of the hotel, including the whole of the 32nd floor, while sustained loud gunfire is audible -- and there is no muzzle flash to be seen at any time. Not the faintest flicker. Not the slightest indication that anyone is firing from the Mandalay.

[MacCruiskeen]

Yeah, I've done a cursory YouTube search for AR15 nighttime muzzle flash vids but haven't found any specific to that kind of distance.

Surely this would have been visible from a very long way away?

[stickdog99]

Is the stock trading thing true? How does one check?

It's 100% confirmed. Insiders have to declare their stock trades with SEC, and they become public knowledge.

[stickdog99]

They know who booked the room adjacent to Paddock, approximately when each of the windows in the two rooms were broken, and whether they were broken from the inside or the outside.

The room adjacent to Paddock's suite is just a bedroom with a connecting door to the suite. My understanding is that they don't let those on their own, and that Paddock had the whole suite plus that bedroom.

Your understanding is not accurate. The adjoining room has it's own room number and it;'s own door. Check out any published layout, like the one in the NY Times.

[SonicG]

Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...

... and although the whole front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is clearly visible throughout - from before the first set of single shots to after the first burst of loud rapid fire - at no time is there any sign of a muzzle flash from anywhere in that building.

That`s the second video I`ve seen that clearly shows the relevant side of the hotel, including the whole of the 32nd floor, while sustained loud gunfire is audible -- and there is no muzzle flash to be seen at any time. Not the faintest flicker. Not the slightest indication that anyone is firing from the Mandalay.

Yes - 100% agreed...I intended to mention that as I looked for muzzle flashes also...

[Brentos]

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But Gios' girfriend said the smoke from what they at first thought were fireworks was going down, not up like it would from firecrackers, and that's when they realized they were gunshots.

Ok, that might be the case, but my point was to say they he definitely said fireworks were let off before any gunshots, and saw and heard them, including the guy who let them off. Which the multiple pops in that video could possibly be verifying. Gio also said that the fireworks startled and shocked people, but the people running didn't start until the actual gunfire started not long after. Again, people do not seem to be fleeing when the initial pops are going off, based on that rather rough video footage.

edit: The FB audio posted above, I hear something maybe at 3:54, then at 3:59 that repeats a few times. Havent listened enough to determine, but these do sound like the initial pops in the youtube video. From the FB audio, it does sound less like fireworks, since there sounds like a velocity to them. They dont sound like the repeated shots that come after either, perhaps a different gun, and maybe Gio was mistaking fireworks for gun fire.

edit 2: In his original manuscript testimony Gio seemed confident that they were firecrackers and I thought I remember him saying that someone right next to him lit them, but after looking at his video again, he seems to think they are indeed gunfire now.

[Brentos]

fwiw, Not sure that I trust this guy's inside sources, but he has some alleged inside information on Jose Campos from someone at Mandalay Bay:
He waffles a lot before getting to the evidence...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVpbCf ... .be&t=3865

also,
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3560378

[elfismiles]

@ABC has obtained this photo of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos (2nd from right) receiving an award from SPFPA on Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/WashNews/status/918872943265923074

fwiw, Not sure that I trust this guy's inside sources, but he has some alleged inside information on Jose Campos from someone at Mandalay Bay:
He waffles a lot before getting to the evidence...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVpbCf ... .be&t=3865

also,
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3560378

[brekin]

Could anybody believe this is in any way legit? Like suddenly Charlie Sheen on his worst day is ghostwriting press releases for Robert Downey Jr. now?
Fuck, if you believe the below then you will believe anything.
Which I guess then this is the right thread to be in.

Again, fake opinion >> fake news
I posted it for its entertainment value, which I personally judged extremely high. I thought some of you folks would enjoy it as well.
Are you concerned about Robert Downey Jr.'s reputation as someone far too sane and sensible to be say something so outlandish? If so, why?

One wonders what else you have posted for its purely entertainment value.

I find stuff I consider interesting and post it here for comment or simply to save it for posterity. Some of what I post is very suspect, especially anything from the New York Times or Washington Post. In retrospect, the RDJ story should have contained a disclaimer, but I thought the bolded text would get the point across.

Good lord. That's like saying, "Yeah, you know I talk a lot of nonsense sometimes. Purely for entertainment you know."
By your name we shall know you.
stickdog999 = "Some of what I post is very suspect"

[Elvis]

A cursory check on SPFPA indicates the union has been accused of aggressive propaganda against other security unions, taking them over, robbing their treasuries and other mob-like behaviors. Seems there are conflicts among these unions—as with the individual companies—going on for years. It might be worth sorting out further, if anyone has the time (it's my busy season at work). Interesting that the SPFPA and similar unions include both security guards and police, making them all brothers.


Random find...he says the "camaraderie" is better at SPFPA than at UGSOA...can't go wrong...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECkjC6E26k

[Brentos]

RE: The campos photo & SPFPA, a comment on the twitter link:

"David Hickey on his [Campos] right SPFPA Labor boss who’s house was raided in 2012 by FEDS. SPFPA also donated $5K to #JesusCampos Rodriguez Gofundme"

[Burnt Hill]

Those first pops just sound like maybe some initial single shots...maybe trying to gauge the range...

... and although the whole front of the Mandalay Bay Hotel is clearly visible throughout - from before the first set of single shots to after the first burst of loud rapid fire - at no time is there any sign of a muzzle flash from anywhere in that building.

That`s the second video I`ve seen that clearly shows the relevant side of the hotel, including the whole of the 32nd floor, while sustained loud gunfire is audible -- and there is no muzzle flash to be seen at any time. Not the faintest flicker. Not the slightest indication that anyone is firing from the Mandalay.

Yes - 100% agreed...I intended to mention that as I looked for muzzle flashes also...

Well there are no visible muzzle flashes anywhere.
And lots of focus did go towards Mandalay.
We do agree a shooting happened?

I read somewhere that muzzle flash isn't visible past 200 yards.
I think the venue was over 400 yards away.

[stickdog99]

Could anybody believe this is in any way legit? Like suddenly Charlie Sheen on his worst day is ghostwriting press releases for Robert Downey Jr. now?
Fuck, if you believe the below then you will believe anything.
Which I guess then this is the right thread to be in.

Again, fake opinion >> fake news
I posted it for its entertainment value, which I personally judged extremely high. I thought some of you folks would enjoy it as well.
Are you concerned about Robert Downey Jr.'s reputation as someone far too sane and sensible to be say something so outlandish? If so, why?

One wonders what else you have posted for its purely entertainment value.

I find stuff I consider interesting and post it here for comment or simply to save it for posterity. Some of what I post is very suspect, especially anything from the New York Times or Washington Post. In retrospect, the RDJ story should have contained a disclaimer, but I thought the bolded text would get the point across.

Good lord. That's like saying, "Yeah, you know I talk a lot of nonsense sometimes. Purely for entertainment you know."
By your name we shall know you.
stickdog999 = "Some of what I post is very suspect"

guilty as charged. sompletely unlike you, of course