OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

[8bitagent]

The above photos are from the article below in the Daily Mail. Yeah, I know, but there are AP copyrights on the photos (if that means anything). So, do yourself a favor, stop at the two pics above.... trust me, it gets worse.... I don't think I've been this disgusted since Bush appeared in front of that Mission Accomplished banner in his non-civilian crotch-enhanced jump suit.

The first lady said:

'Just imagine, a small group of brave men, dropped by helicopter, half a world away in the dead of night, into unknown danger inside the lair of the most wanted man in the world.


'Their families were back here, with no idea of their mission or whether their loved ones would ever come home.'

What that SHOULD have read was "Just imagine, drone strikes ordered by my husband and joysticked by gullible young people in a cushy Virginia office half a world away, blow up innocent Pakistani villages in the name of fighting al Qaeda. Their families cheer and support them, no idea of the endless amounts of Muslim innocents they slaughter, as our brave video game pilots get to go back home to their netflix and xbox live"

Did I ever mention this government is starting to sicken me more than Bush, just in that now it's evil being packaged as hip and clean and "totally rad, man" instead of pandering to braindead conservatives.
So now smarmy yuppy fucks at Whole Foods and snot nosed college kids twesting every second of the day can feel patriotic too.



SEIG HEIL!



Hey hold up, this one's going on my facebook profile!



Saw prez 2nite. He reignited my passion 2 kill dem ay-rabs. OOH AH! hashtag/patriot#



mission accomplished, drinks are on me.

[8bitagent]

Just going back through some older posts here, because I'm bored, and I found this, posted by Justdrew:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 36#p400636

Whoa! This went right by us whenever it was posted!

But it fits right into this narrative.

Those of us who believe (such as myself, at least the hopeful version of myself) that perhaps this particular bit of theater was brought about by the PTB to keep the economy from completely collapsing, i.e. realizing they HAVE to cut way back on the military budget, will find this, well, hopeful.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... -paper-say

Joint Chiefs Staffers Issue Paper Saying America Has Overreacted To Islamic Extremism

Hmm. As I was just saying recently, imagine if we as a country defined national security as the health, well-being, education and gainful employment of our citizens, and not as the ability to deliver bombs on targets.

I'm not surprised that someone else came to the same obvious conclusion -- only that it's two members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying so:

On Friday, April 8, as members of the U.S. Congress engaged in a last-minute game of chicken over the federal budget, the Pentagon quietly issued a report that received little initial attention: "A National Strategic Narrative." The report was issued under the pseudonym of "Mr. Y," a takeoff on George Kennan's 1946 "Long Telegram" from Moscow (published under the name "X" the following year in Foreign Affairs) that helped set containment as the cornerstone of U.S. strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union.

The piece was written by two senior members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CAPT Wayne Porter, USN and Col Mark "Puck" Mykleby) in a "personal" capacity, but it is clear that it would not have seen the light of day without a measure of official approval. Its findings are revelatory, and they deserve to be read and appreciated not only by every lawmaker in Congress, but by every American citizen.

The narrative argues that the United States is fundamentally getting it wrong when it comes to setting its priorities, particularly with regard to the budget and how Americans as a nation use their resources more broadly. The report says Americans are overreacting to Islamic extremism, underinvesting in their youth, and failing to embrace the sense of competition and opportunity that made America a world power. The United States has been increasingly consumed by seeing the world through the lens of threat, while failing to understand that influence, competitiveness, and innovation are the key to advancing American interests in the modern world.

Courageously, the authors make the case that America continues to rely far too heavily on its military as the primary tool for how it engages the world. Instead of simply pumping more and more dollars into defense, the narrative argues:

By investing energy, talent, and dollars now in the education and training of young Americans -- the scientists, statesmen, industrialists, farmers, inventors, educators, clergy, artists, service members, and parents, of tomorrow -- we are truly investing in our ability to successfully compete in, and influence, the strategic environment of the future. Our first investment priority, then, is intellectual capital and a sustainable infrastructure of education, health and social services to provide for the continuing development and growth of America's youth.

It's snowing in hell right now.

The PTB seeing the error of their ways? The PTB drawing down, wanting to curb back the war machine? Well I'll say, as soon as this happens...we're going to be hit hard, so they can say "see, we tried to be mr nice guy liberal peacenik...and look what happened...them al Kayduhs took out a city or two"

[Crow]

My girl is african american, and I know what you are saying, that you cant experience exactly what someone is feeling/experiencing without living in their flesh. Yet, from experience, I think its ok not to have fear to talk and have dialogue. Its impotent to think you can never relate properly to minorities on certain levels, since that in itself is racist, and not empathic.

I wasn't saying "don't talk." I was pointing out a common misconception long after its sell-by date. It's like the "if we're all really equal, then why do blacks have lower IQs then?" thing: it no longer needs to be part of the general dialogue. Those still struggling with such questions should go home and educate themselves.

I don't think there's anything racist about saying, "You're not black, you don't know, maybe you should settle down." I do not know the lived experience of being black, but I do know white people, and most of us could stand some practice in the art of listening.

Empathy is good, but it has its limits, and is severely blunted by privilege. The privileged folks are absolutely blind to their own ignorance. For instance, I have never met a man who gets what it's like to be a woman. Not even close. But there are plenty with loud opinions about what women should do, wear, act, and so on. Occasionally, I will find a man who will recognize a woman's authority [!] on the topic of what it's like to be a woman, but that's rare. Look at the damned misogyny thread for evidence.

Using the words of black people about another black person on issues of race is also...a good thing to stay away from[/i]' <= this will not wash with non-anti-racists, quite the opposite. If you think about it, your remarks are... racist. and I dont mean to flame.

No flame taken. But I think you might have misunderstood me? A white person saying "Obama is not acting the way a black person ought to act! Even Jesse Jackson thinks Obama is a bad black person!" is problematic. (For evidence of the wrongness of this, note how often Rush Limbaugh and company use this trick as a disingenuous excuse to rag on certain specific black people, in the supposed name of black liberation.) Unless you're black, leave it to black people to decide among themselves what it means to be a "good" black person, if there even is such a thing.

Dialogue is good. Free speech is good. But supporting free and open discourse does not mean we have to encourage people to spew out whatever racist tosh they've got mouldering in their brain stems so that the rest of us can parse it out for them every day, forever.

[Disclaimer: Above discussion has gone theoretical. None of this post intended as a commentary on 8bit's words or 8bit.]

[seemslikeadream]

Here was the very first paragraph uttered by lead Nuremberg prosecutor Robert Jackson when he stood up to deliver his Opening Statement:

The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.

And here was the last thing he said:

Civilization asks whether law is so laggard as to be utterly helpless to deal with crimes of this magnitude by criminals of this order of importance. It does not expect that you can make war impossible. It does expect that your juridical action will put the forces of international law, its precepts, its prohibitions and, most of all, its sanctions, on the side of peace, so that men and women of good will, in all countries, may have "leave to live by no man's leave, underneath the law."

I actually believe in those precepts. And if those principles were good enough for those responsible for Nazi atrocities, they are good enough for the likes of Osama bin Laden. It's possible they weren't applicable here; if he couldn't be safely captured because of his attempted resistence, then capturing him wasn't a reasonable possibility. But it seems increasingly clear that the objective here was to kill, not capture him, no matter what his conduct was. That, at the very least, raises a whole host of important questions about what we endorse and who we are that deserves serious examination -- much more than has been prompted by this celebrated killing.

[justdrew]

Fox News reports OBL death a few days too early

According to this Tweeter, she saw the Fox News ticker report that Osama bin-Laden was dead on April 28. So either she got into Twitter and hacked her account to change the date stamp, had a psychic premonition, or this is for real.

http://twitter.com/#!/megneverlands

[8bitagent]

:shrug:

Fox News reports OBL death a few days too early

According to this Tweeter, she saw the Fox News ticker report that Osama bin-Laden was dead on April 28. So either she got into Twitter and hacked her account to change the date stamp, had a psychic premonition, or this is for real.

http://twitter.com/#!/megneverlands

direct link:
http://twitter.com/#!/megneverlands/sta ... 8995408896

Can time stamps on twitter be at all changed by a hack? You can't edit a tweet at all: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_ed ... itter_post

The only headline that comes close was the one around the 25th that was something like "nuclear hellstorm by al Qaeda if bin Laden is caught or killed". Maybe it's a variation of that?

To me it's not as bizarre as premonitions or predictions of 9/11 around the time of the attacks. Even I was saying as late as April and as early as 2008 that the ptb were going to wrap up their bin Laden saga in a big way. I even mention this in my Trump thread, and a number of times awhile back said bin Laden was probably in an ISI protected safehouse as I always assumed Zawahiri to be.

Why was it all this wikileaks bin Laden stuff was coming out days before his supposed death from the raid? Is wikileaks really sticking it to the man...or is something else going on here?

[JackRiddler]

Why was it all this wikileaks bin Laden stuff was coming out days before his supposed death from the raid? Is wikileaks really sticking it to the man...or is something else going on here?

Wikileaks is no longer in control of what gets released out of the stuff they've allowed other news media to access. This is a consequence of the decision not to publish all of the State Department cables instantaneously, as they had done with the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs. There were reasons for that we can debate, but the upshot is that the full State Department cables (and more, perhaps) are in the hands of about a dozen different media orgs and they search out items based on the news cycle and prepare packages of "Wikileaks files" (State Department cables). So the sudden OBL noise wouldn't have been a Wikileaks decision, go see instead who published that. The State cables remains a very rich vein, at this point about 13,000 files have been published at wikileaks.ch (most of these also by other pubs) out of the 253,000 total in the cache.

The Wikileaks release of the Guantanamo files was preempted by a government release of the same files (since it was known these were coming anyway) to the New York Times. Thus the NYT published files with strategic redactions agreed upon with its USG sources on the same day that Wikileaks put out the unredacted versions. Differences in how these files are redacted can be quite revealing; go to the Black Box OBL thread and see the article by Shamir for Counterpunch detailing these, e.g. how the NYT/WP version redacts the fact that Zubaydah (the perpetual fount) was the source for "Bin Ladin's courier" and what that signifies. The rules of the game keep changing. One couldn't have expected them to forever catch the USG by surprise with every thing they put out.

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[8bitagent]

Why was it all this wikileaks bin Laden stuff was coming out days before his supposed death from the raid? Is wikileaks really sticking it to the man...or is something else going on here?

Wikileaks is no longer in control of what gets released out of the stuff they've allowed other news media to access. This is a consequence of the decision not to publish all of the State Department cables instantaneously, as they had done with the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs. There were reasons for that we can debate, but the upshot is that the full State Department cables (and more, perhaps) are in the hands of about a dozen different media orgs and they search out items based on the news cycle and prepare packages of "Wikileaks files" (State Department cables). So the sudden OBL noise wouldn't have been a Wikileaks decision, go see instead who published that. The State cables remains a very rich vein, at this point about 13,000 files have been published at wikileaks.ch (most of these also by other pubs) out of the 253,000 total in the cache.

The Wikileaks release of the Guantanamo files was preempted by a government release of the same files (since it was known these were coming anyway) to the New York Times. Thus the NYT published files with strategic redactions agreed upon with its USG sources on the same day that Wikileaks put out the unredacted versions. Differences in how these files are redacted can be quite revealing; go to the Black Box OBL thread and see the article by Shamir for Counterpunch detailing these, e.g. how the NYT/WP version redacts the fact that Zubaydah (the perpetual fount) was the source for "Bin Ladin's courier" and what that signifies. The rules of the game keep changing. One couldn't have expected them to forever catch the USG by surprise with every thing they put out.

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So it's possible, if perhaps likely that "wikileaks" has been coopted? And the USG and Pentagon can push to the news media "wikileaks: ---insert propaganda here---" reports?
Correct me if I'm not reading you correctly.

I'm surprised there isn't more news about wikileaks exposing the courier angle, upsetting the official narrative.

Btw, remember when "Geraldo came out for WTC7 truth"?

hahahahahah...

"This is the greatest night of my career"



Apparently, exposing the nightmarish horror happening to hundreds of handicap/mentally challenged youngsters isnt anything to reporting on USG psyops propaganda.

Geraldo, what a two faced thug.

[kenoma]

In Howth, Co. Dublin, a mass is being offered in remembrance of Osama:



[For non-Catholics: mass intentions are when a mass is 'offered' for the benefit of one or more persons specifically named in the Eucharistic prayer: usually someone recently deceased, or on the anniversary of their death (though it could be offered to someone undergoing surgery, doing an exam or recently married etc.). They are easy to get: you just buy a mass card for a few quid, fill in the name and send it to the parish.]

Causing a ruckus, but I think it's an appropriate gesture personally.

[JackRiddler]

So it's possible, if perhaps likely that "wikileaks" has been coopted? And the USG and Pentagon can push to the news media "wikileaks: ---insert propaganda here---" reports?
Correct me if I'm not reading you correctly.

Anything's possible, including the no-evidence scenarios some people jumped to from the beginning (i.e., that Wikileaks has always been a front for a secret agency, etc.).

But what's visible is this: Many media outlets now have access to 253,000 State Department files originally released by Wikileaks, which means that what gets published is no longer under Wikileaks' control (as was the case in the earlier releases, when they just put out everything they had so that no one could pick and choose). Assange supposedly chose the slow-drip strategy with the State Department cables to minimize accusations that Wikileaks was dumping the names of people who would end up harmed, and to allow the many stories to come out gradually, rather than all at once (in which case many important stories would go lost). This has worked as far as those aims are concerned.

This does not mean that media who have the files can just make up shit, or take other government files and present these as "Wikileaks," since they all have the same cache to draw from, and each can check its own copy to see if a file is really from the same cache. It does mean that Wikileaks does not have control over what gets published out of the State Department cache. (They do have the "nuclear option" of releasing the encryption password that would then open the files to 100,000 or more people who have downloaded the encrypted version of the full cache, which they have reserved for the case of a crackdown on Wikileaks. I don't know if a possible Assange extradition to the US would trigger that.)

I'm surprised there isn't more news about wikileaks exposing the courier angle, upsetting the official narrative.

It illustrates the problem that the slow-release strategy was supposed to address, but cannot solve (because there is no solution). The first thing out gets the most attention and each subsequent revelation seems less significant. If the Gitmo files had come out first (before "Collateral Murder") last year, they would have been the biggest story in the world. Last year. (If they had come out while Bush was still president, it would have caused international diplomatic upheavals.) After the dramatic WL releases since, these seem less significant than they are.

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[Gouda]

...a senior intelligence official said on Saturday as he released videos showing bin Laden watching himself on tape and rehearsing speeches.

(...)

The videos were released without sound.

The intelligence official said the sound had been stripped because the United States did not want to transmit bin Laden's propaganda. He said they contained the usual message "condemning U.S. policy and denigrating capitalism."

Bin Laden remained active in targeting U.S.: official
Reuters, May 7, 2011
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110507/ts_ ... telligence

[Bruce Dazzling]

Just going back through some older posts here, because I'm bored, and I found this, posted by Justdrew:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 36#p400636

Whoa! This went right by us whenever it was posted!

But it fits right into this narrative.

Those of us who believe (such as myself, at least the hopeful version of myself) that perhaps this particular bit of theater was brought about by the PTB to keep the economy from completely collapsing, i.e. realizing they HAVE to cut way back on the military budget, will find this, well, hopeful.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/ ... -paper-say

Joint Chiefs Staffers Issue Paper Saying America Has Overreacted To Islamic Extremism

Hmm. As I was just saying recently, imagine if we as a country defined national security as the health, well-being, education and gainful employment of our citizens, and not as the ability to deliver bombs on targets.

I'm not surprised that someone else came to the same obvious conclusion -- only that it's two members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying so:

On Friday, April 8, as members of the U.S. Congress engaged in a last-minute game of chicken over the federal budget, the Pentagon quietly issued a report that received little initial attention: "A National Strategic Narrative." The report was issued under the pseudonym of "Mr. Y," a takeoff on George Kennan's 1946 "Long Telegram" from Moscow (published under the name "X" the following year in Foreign Affairs) that helped set containment as the cornerstone of U.S. strategy for dealing with the Soviet Union.

The piece was written by two senior members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CAPT Wayne Porter, USN and Col Mark "Puck" Mykleby) in a "personal" capacity, but it is clear that it would not have seen the light of day without a measure of official approval. Its findings are revelatory, and they deserve to be read and appreciated not only by every lawmaker in Congress, but by every American citizen.

The narrative argues that the United States is fundamentally getting it wrong when it comes to setting its priorities, particularly with regard to the budget and how Americans as a nation use their resources more broadly. The report says Americans are overreacting to Islamic extremism, underinvesting in their youth, and failing to embrace the sense of competition and opportunity that made America a world power. The United States has been increasingly consumed by seeing the world through the lens of threat, while failing to understand that influence, competitiveness, and innovation are the key to advancing American interests in the modern world.

Courageously, the authors make the case that America continues to rely far too heavily on its military as the primary tool for how it engages the world. Instead of simply pumping more and more dollars into defense, the narrative argues:

By investing energy, talent, and dollars now in the education and training of young Americans -- the scientists, statesmen, industrialists, farmers, inventors, educators, clergy, artists, service members, and parents, of tomorrow -- we are truly investing in our ability to successfully compete in, and influence, the strategic environment of the future. Our first investment priority, then, is intellectual capital and a sustainable infrastructure of education, health and social services to provide for the continuing development and growth of America's youth.

It's snowing in hell right now.

Well, at the risk of being "that guy," I'll mention here that at a certain point an all-powerful United States becomes an impediment to the creation of the fabled one-world fascist corporate super state.

If one agrees that THAT is the final goal of certain factions, then it could be argued that the engineered financial collapse, the kajillion dollar "defense" budgets, the overextending of the U.S. military, and this OBL kabuki theater have all been orchestrated to bring us to THIS moment where "reasonable" voices begin to bubble up, suggesting that the U.S. have a bunch of its incisors extracted. Perhaps they feel that enough financial damage has already been done to make America's collapse irreversible and they want to de-fang the dying lion so that it goes quietly and can't muck up their plans.

And note that I said certain factions, because I do realize that there's no monoloithic Powers That Be pulling every string. It does seem though, as if we're being guided by some force towards somebody's twisted version of the end times.

[crikkett]

No photoshopped soldiers in that image, it seems

[crikkett]

...currently carrying a mixed-race child.

CONGRATULATIONS AND hAPPY mOTHER'S dAY!

(dog in lap,sorry)

[JackRiddler]

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Here's a compilation of very stupid critiques of mostly stupid statements, thanks to Gareth Newnham posting at Truth Action. He calls it,

"Conspiratorial thinking/doubts/mindsets/impulses/tweets etc from the last week in the MSM"
http://truthaction.org/forum/login.php? ... te&p=43775

Iranian officials reacted to the death of Osama bin Laden with a mix of political spin and conspiratorial thinking. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ath-mixed/

Nor was the al-Qaeda leader the only deceased figurehead whose lack of a shrine fuelled such suspicions - speculation about the fate of Hitler, in particular, being one especially resilient conspiratorial sub-genre. Times columnist David Aaronovitch, who dedicated himself to debunking such accounts in his book Voodoo Histories, believes this phenomenon stems from a deep-rooted human proclivity. "As soon as I heard the news, I knew, as sure as eggs are eggs, there would be conspiracy theories saying it isn't him," he says. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13264959

Russia Today, the Russian government's international news and, often, raw propaganda channel has conspiracy peddler Alex Jones on as a guest. And he does reflect a level of conspiratorial thinking present in the upper echelons of a Russia, whose history has, after all, been characterized by horrifying conspiracies by the security services. "They may have thrown a ham sandwich in the Arabian Sea," says Jones. "Most of the people in Pakistan think it's fake." http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... Today.html

Napolitano then asked, without a photo of Bin Laden’s body, how do we know he’s dead? Beck replied “you don’t . . . but I believe in this particular case he’s dead,” and then smartly suggested people who doubt Bin Laden’s death would never be satisfied with a picture anyway since they would claim it was doctored. Just when it seemed like Beck escaped the segment without contributing to Napolitano’s increasing conspiratorial tone, Napolitano repeated one last time his question of whether Beck thinks this assassination may have been “politically timed.” - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-q ... ith-obama/

By now, I'm sure you've heard the gist of the latest Mendenhall postings on Twitter, where Pittsburgh's lead running back shared his thoughts on the death on Osama bin Laden, his reaction to the public's reaction to the news, and his conspiratorial doubts about what really happened on 9/11. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... endenhall/

Following the decision of the US authorities to consign the corpse of Osama bin Laden to the waters of the Arabian Gulf, some folk with a conspiratorial cast of mind have questioned the disposition of the body, asking if some kind of "cover-up" was intended. I consider such ruminations trivial. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... mic-burial

On a more philosophic level, the increased circulation of doctored images on the Internet, a space where images do not readily disappear, only muddles the difficult attempt to arrive at an agreed-upon version of events. Evidence that is not evidence of anything but deception feeds into the conspiratorial mind-set. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 85266.html

In another variation of this line of conspiratorial thinking, the death is acknowledged, but it is recast in romantic terms -to make the sacrifice seem more poignant or symbolic. http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/col ... story.html

Turzanski recalls that when the U.S. killed Uday and Qusay Hussein, sons of the former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, their bodies were held for 11 days before being released for burial. And the administration even summoned international media to take photographs, so that it could be established that the two were, in fact, dead. Bin Laden’s burial, he says, should have been handled the same way. “The problem with the conspiratorial mind,” says Turzanski, “is that lack of proof is, in fact, proof.” http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/07/why- ... im-at-sea/

Mendenhall then took it somewhere Douglas-Roberts did not, raising the exhaustively debunked conspiratorial doubts about the events of 9/11, tweeting: “I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition.” This caused Sports Illustrated senior football writer Don Banks to write a piece titled, “Mendenhall just the latest NFL player to spout utter nonsense.” http://sfbayview.com/2011/shut-up-and-p ... ee-speech/

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), also speaking on the "Early Show," countered that Americans should trust Mr. Obama's judgment - and that showing the photos would not necessarily do much to convince skeptics of bin Laden's death. "I think at some point we have to trust the president and trust the military leaders to say, you know, these photos won't add anything," he said. "This notion that we're going to end some kind of conspiratorial debate, I think we've learned in recent years that conspiracies have a life of their own. There are still crazies who stand outside this site and claim that president Bush knocked down the twin towers. So I don't think it does anything to end any kind of conspiracy." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html

Osama bin Laden is dead, but we won’t know what his death will mean for months, years or — as the protracted nature of the "War on Terror" shows — decades. News of President Barack Obama’s upcoming Sunday night press conference began percolating around Twitter that evening, evoking conspiratorial tweets about the president trying to co-opt Donald Trump’s TV time. http://www.mndaily.com/2011/05/03/there ... -end-sight

One part of the legacy has a sure future. Terrorism as a tactic will remain alluring to the weak, the hateful, the murderous and the misguided. Its legitimacy will continue to be upheld by injustice, by false appeals to religion, and by deep embedding in conspiratorial thinking. There is always a conspiracy to be fought against — bin Laden’s genius was in redefining it as the conspiracy of the “Jews and Crusaders.” http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/La ... story.html

However, admitting to full complicity in that hunt - which led to the killing of a mass murderer but also one of the world's most famous Muslims - would leave the country exposed to greater terror threats. If this all sounds conspiratorial, then welcome to Pakistan - the heartland of conspiracy theories. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6051368139

And it's time to move on. I mean, I just think that we're going to do more harm than good and I wouldn't lose the life of one soldier because some conspiratorial theorist person out there doesn't believe it until they release a photo that they're not going to believe in anyway. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 09776.html

Who can ever forget -- other than Mendenhall -- the glee behind his wiggling fingertips as he explained and pantomimed on video the collapse of the World Trade Center, the object of his own conspiratorial slaughter of nearly 3,000 Americans? http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11124/1143869-150-0.stm

"We have a couple of factors already that are coming out that naturally fuel the conspiratorial impulse," Donovan said. “Apparently there is no body, he was buried at sea. The conspiratorial mindset will glom onto that."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/ ... 9004.shtml

"We need to get those conspiratorial theorists out of the way and say, 'Look, the guy's really dead,'" http://www.10news.com/news/27766325/detail.html

This afternoon, Brown's office released a statement that "The photo that I saw and that a lot of other people saw is not authentic." (This was a very poor choice of words; that quote is already going viral among the conspiratorial-minded misinterpreting it as the Senator claiming that the photos being shown to Senators by the White House are doctored.) http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpoli ... -dupe.aspx

Similarly, today the truthers, those who believe that the 9/11 attacks were the work of the U.S. government or Israel or some other insane conspiratorial theory, are disputing the death of Osama Bin Laden. Crackpot leftists such as Cindy Sheehan and talker Alex Jones are denying bin Laden’s death and asserting that this so-called hoax is merely a prelude to another war or perhaps, as some posters on Sheehan’s Facebook message stream say, another “faked” terrorist attack on our shores. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/ ... treatment/

And of course we've got the non-conspiratorial new Official Conspiracy Theory in place, that conspirators in the Pakistani state must have collaborated to harbor OBL for years, but that no one among the Good Guys collaborated with them -- certainly not the nice Americans who naively send money to the Pakistani state.

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