OSAMA BIN LADEN ANNOUNCED DEAD BY OBAMA (renamed thread)

[DoYouEverWonder]

Aw come on Jack. Let the fools have their fairytale happy ending. We know they can't handle the truth.

[Canadian_watcher]

But what's visible is this: Many media outlets now have access to 253,000 State Department files originally released by Wikileaks, which means that what gets published is no longer under Wikileaks' control (as was the case in the earlier releases, when they just put out everything they had so that no one could pick and choose). Assange supposedly chose the slow-drip strategy with the State Department cables to minimize accusations that Wikileaks was dumping the names of people who would end up harmed, and to allow the many stories to come out gradually, rather than all at once (in which case many important stories would go lost). This has worked as far as those aims are concerned.
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There's a May 2, 2011 interview with Assange wherein he states his objection to the way that the media outlets are using the material; redacting & selective editing in particular. He says that the agreement he had struck with them was that the material must be published in entirety if used with the sole exception being the threat of immediate person harm to someone involved.

Not sure if this is already posted here somewhere, can't remember where I first saw it but the vid can be found here.

[norton ash]

JRiddler:

And of course we've got the non-conspiratorial new Official Conspiracy Theory in place, that conspirators in the Pakistani state must have collaborated to harbor OBL for years, but that no one among the Good Guys collaborated with them -- certainly not the nice Americans who naively send money to the Pakistani state.

Thanks, Jack, for the conspiracy-dunce roundup.

Which begs the question, how the fuck can any collaboration between intelligence agencies, compromised operatives, self-interested informers, government press bureaus and a media that is duty-bound to simply repeat press releases and chase red herrings not be a conspiracy in the first place?

Disinfo world, where no-one can believe a goddamn word anymore. Sorry, Captain Obvious here... and the Captain's getting really tired.

[Canadian_watcher]

I thought this headline from yesterday's Globe and Mail (Canada's National Newspaper) was kind of interesting.. screenshot here:

[Canadian_watcher]

Disinfo world, where no-one can believe a goddamn word anymore. Sorry, Captain Obvious here... and the Captain's getting really tired.

I think that maybe you're on to the real point behind this whole OBL death exercise. No one will be able to believe anything anymore so where does that leave us? I really don't have an answer for that. I don't see how it can help anyone achieve anything.. but it seems to me that we're hitting a point of no return regarding the extinction of truth.

[norton ash]

the extinction of truth.

Word to yo mutha. And happy mutha's day.

[Canadian_watcher]

the extinction of truth.

Word to yo mutha. And happy mutha's day.

thanks!

[ninakat]

Well, of course, the title of the video and the question raised by Paul Jay (RealNews) presupposes and implies clearly that they had a choice about when the big bad wolf would be captured/killed. Not much else in this report worth anything, IMO... especially the discussion of what the Obama administration wants in terms of drawdown of troops in the various war theatres. Hasn't Gareth Porter learned by now that What They Say isn't the same as What They Do?

[2012 Countdown]

Well, this completes the circle I think. SNL weighs in with a skit in regard to OBL's 'burial at sea'.
We conspiracy theorists are represented as the 'manta-ray' character.

Well worth a watch for social commentary, imo-

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ ... id/1325765

[tazmic]

"The release of video footage seized from Osama bin Laden's compound in northern Pakistan was part of the continuing effort by the US to convince doubters that the al-Qaeda leader was killed in last Monday's raid.

But people in Abbottabad seem sceptical about the authenticity of the films, as Orla Guerin discovered when she took to the streets of the town where bin Laden was said to have been hiding."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13329078

[Crow]

...currently carrying a mixed-race child.

CONGRATULATIONS AND hAPPY mOTHER'S dAY!

(dog in lap,sorry)

Thank you! I don't feel like I've done much for him yet other than avoid alcohol, take fish oil capsules (which cause nasty-tasting burps), and sit still for a few shots. Oh, and sleep a lot. But by this time next year maybe I'll feel like I've really earned the title.

[8bitagent]

LULZ...preachers at the pulpit around the country are "conflicted" over whether to indulge their flock in the celebration, though they can "understand it" and "justice was served"...
but many can agree who bin Laden really worked for!

"OSAMA BIN LADEN, SATAN AND THE FINAL VICTORY OF JESUS," read the marquee outside Brook Baptist Church, publicizing the sermon Howard started writing hours after he heard that a team of Navy SEALs based in Virginia Beach killed the al-Qaida leader.

There is no equivocating in his message: Howard has no doubt that bin Laden was an instrument of Satan who was brought to justice with the aid of God, who answered the prayers of millions. "We should pray for bad people, evil people, that when we pray to God he will change their lives. But if he won't change their lives, especially those who have a lot of power to hurt a lot of people, you pray for their end because they're causing so much pain," he said. "You pray somehow God will take them out. The Bible is very clear that God is in control and every person in power is because God put them there. He can put them there, he can keep them there or he can take them out. That's his prerogative."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42948897/ns/us_news-life/


Yeah...if the devil exists, the GOVERNMENT you idiots worships is the Satanic agenda. And while bin Laden would simply be a proxy marrionette of this, Praising SEALS is the same as praising al Qaeda, they both work for the same Qlippothic forces in the meta-universe. This is why Christianity and a lot of the Abrahamic faith stuff ends up being a paradoxial joke. There needs to be a shirt or bumper sticker that says "Job Was An Inside Job". Or "God and the Devil=BFF"

[8bitagent]

If one agrees that THAT is the final goal of certain factions, then it could be argued that the engineered financial collapse, the kajillion dollar "defense" budgets, the overextending of the U.S. military, and this OBL kabuki theater have all been orchestrated to bring us to THIS moment where "reasonable" voices begin to bubble up, suggesting that the U.S. have a bunch of its incisors extracted. Perhaps they feel that enough financial damage has already been done to make America's collapse irreversible and they want to de-fang the dying lion so that it goes quietly and can't muck up their plans.

And note that I said certain factions, because I do realize that there's no monoloithic Powers That Be pulling every string. It does seem though, as if we're being guided by some force towards somebody's twisted version of the end times.

Well if there are such globalist groups, there is definitely a fractured split going on. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other "NWO goons" are running away from the US in part and going to Russia and China.
I've always thought there was outside forces manipulating all sides to fight eachother in WW1 and WW2. I wonder if even these "globalist suit and ties" are aware of the level of high level manipulation going on.
We're told bin Laden "did 9/11" to trap America and draw them into protracted wars. Even if even remotely true, than he was simply working for the very globalists who control America and want to sink it. I mean look at Iraq...what did the US gain from that ultimately? Everything seems designed to sink America into the ocean. So yeah, maybe internally they're realizing how far America is sinking...but I can guarantee these outside forces(whatever they are or be) won't stop til America is in ruins.

[8bitagent]

Well we can all sleep well now! Pakistan is totally innocent! *whew*

"US Gov Says No Evidence Pakistan Knew OBL Was Hiding"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42948377/ns/world_news/

Oh, you crack me up...

[Ben D]

'Bin Laden dead long before US raid'

Sun May 8, 2011 4:33PM

Iran's intelligence minister says the country has reliable information that former head of the al-Qaeda terrorist group Osama bin Laden died of disease some time ago.

“We have accurate information that bin Laden died of illness some time ago,” Heidar Moslehi told reporters on the sidelines of a Cabinet meeting on Sunday.

He questioned Washington's claim that bin Laden was killed by American troops in a hiding compound in Pakistan on May 1.

“If the US military and intelligence apparatus have really arrested or killed bin Laden, why don't they show him (his dead body) why have they thrown his corpse into the sea?” Moslehi asked.

“When we apprehended [former Jundallah ringleader Abdul Malik] Rigi, we showed him and also aired his interview,” ISNA quoted the intelligence chief as saying.

By releasing such false news, he said, the White House seeks to overshadow regional awakening.

Moslehi said US officials resort to such PR campaigns to divert attention from their domestic problems as well as their “fragile” economic situation.

US President Barack Obama claimed that Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces on May 1 in a hiding compound in Pakistan.

A US official later announced that bin Laden's body was abruptly buried at sea, falsely boasting that his hasty burial was in accordance with the Islamic law, requiring burial within 24 hours of death.

However, burial at sea is not an Islamic practice and Islam does not have a timeframe for burial.

US officials also claimed their decision for a sea burial was made because no country would accept bin Laden's remains, without elaborating on which countries were actually contacted on the matter.

Analysts, however, have raised serious questions as to why US officials did not allow for the application of a DNA test to officially confirm the identity of the corpse before its hasty burial.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/178898.html

An oldie from 2009....Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?

I want to see the long form Death Certificate.

From WRH's Osama Dead page (not going to link):

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633



"News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago"

Islamabad -
A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. In the farewell ceremony to his final rest guns were fired in the air. The official stated that it is difficult to pinpoint the burial location of bin Laden because according to the Wahhabi tradition no mark is left by the grave. He stressed that it is unlikely that the American forces would ever uncover any traces of bin Laden.

Grab it before it falls down the memory hole: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."

Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said "no." Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of "pagans" against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, "I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished."

and the NY Times too: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/11TAHE.html?ex=1089432000&en=373a282aeff2716a&ei=5070&todaysheadlines

The Death of bin Ladenism

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.

With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?

Even if he is still in the world, bin Ladenism has left for good. Mr. bin Laden was the public face of a brand of politics that committed suicide in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, killing thousands of innocent people in the process.

What were the key elements of that politics?

The first was a cynical misinterpretation of Islam that began decades ago with such anti-Western ideologues as Maulana Maudoodi of Pakistan and Sayyid Qutb of Egypt. Although Mr. Maudoodi and Mr. Qutb were not serious thinkers, they could at least offer a coherent ideology based on a narrow reading of Islamic texts. Their ideas about Western barbarism and Muslim revival, distilled down to bin Ladenism, became mere slogans designed to incite zealots to murder.

People like Mr. Maudoodi and Mr. Qutb could catch the ball and run largely because most Muslim intellectuals of their generation (and later) had no interest in continuing the work of Muslim philosophers. Our intellectuals were too busy learning Western ideologies of one kind or another -- and they left the newly urbanized Muslim masses to the half-baked ideas of men like Mr. Maudoodi and Mr. Qutb and eventually Mr. bin Laden.

Now, however, many Muslim intellectuals are returning home, so to speak. They are rediscovering the philosophical heritage of Islam and the challenges of Muslim political thought. And Maudoodi-Qutbism is now being seen as a pseudo-Islamic version of Western fascism.

The second element that made Mr. bin Laden possible was easy money, largely from wealthy individuals in the Persian Gulf area who believed that they were buying a place in the hereafter while protecting themselves against political opposition in this world. Some paid because they believed they were helping poor and oppressed Muslims. Others paid so militants would go and spend their energies far away from home.

That easy money is no longer available, at least not in large quantities. Many donors have realized they were financing terrorists. Some have been forced to choose between the West, where they have the bulk of their wealth, and the troglodyte mujahedeen of the Hindu Kush.

The third element that made bin Ladenist terror possible was the encouraging, or at least complacent, attitude of several governments. The Taliban in Afghanistan began by hosting Mr. bin Laden and ended up becoming his life-and-death buddies. The Pakistanis were also supportive because they wanted to dominate Afghanistan and make life hard for the Indians by sending holy warriors to Kashmir. The Sudanese government was sympathetic, if not actually supportive, and offered at least a safe haven. This was also the case in Yemen, where in November 2000 I accidentally ran into a crowd of Qaeda militants who had flown in from Pakistan for a gathering.

We now know that Qaeda cells operated, often quite openly, in Muslim countries from Indonesia and Malaysia to Morocco and Tunisia, without being bothered by anyone. The fall of the Taliban means the gang no longer has a secure base. All the other countries are also closed, and in some cases even hostile.

The fourth element was the mistaken practice of many Western powers that sheltered the terrorists in the name of freedom of expression and dissent. We now know that London was a critical haven for Al Qaeda. The murder of the Afghan resistance leader Ahmed Shah Massoud was planned in London. Qaeda militants operated in Germany, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain and Italy without significant restraint.

The fifth element that made bin Ladenism possible was the West's, especially America's, perceived weakness if not actual cowardice. A joke going around militant Islamist circles until last year was that the only thing the Americans would do if attacked was to sue. That perception no longer exists. The Americans, supported by one of the largest coalitions in history, have shown they will use force against their enemies even if that means a long and difficult war.

The sixth element of bin Ladenism was the illusion in most Western nations that they could somehow remain unaffected by the violence unleashed by fanatical terrorists against so many Muslim nations from Indonesia to Algeria.

Mr. bin Laden could survive and prosper only in a world in which these elements existed. That world is gone. Mr. bin Laden's ghost may linger on -- perhaps because Washington and Islamabad will find it useful. President Bush's party has a crucial election to win and Pervez Musharraf is keen to keep Pakistan in the limelight as long as possible.

But the truth is that Osama bin Laden is dead.