Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[alwyn]

https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_ ... n/11938173 This is a fascinating article that backs up what the Dr. in the vid above was talking about with the novel corona virus, and the difference between it and Acute respiratory disease syndrome...

COVID-19: Attacks the 1-Beta Chain of Hemoglobin and Captures the Porphyrin to Inhibit Human Heme Metabolism
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revised on 27.03.2020, 17:33 and posted on 30.03.2020, 01:53 by liu wenzhong Li hualan

The novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) is an infectious acute respiratory infection caused by the novel coronavirus. The virus is a positive-strand RNA virus with high homology to bat coronavirus. In this study, conserved domain analysis, homology modeling, and molecular docking were used to compare the biological roles of certain proteins of the novel coronavirus. The results showed the ORF8 and surface glycoprotein could bind to the porphyrin, respectively. At the same time, orf1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a proteins could coordinate attack the heme on the 1-beta chain of hemoglobin to dissociate the iron to form the porphyrin. The attack will cause less and less hemoglobin that can carry oxygen and carbon dioxide. The lung cells have extremely intense poisoning and inflammatory due to the inability to exchange carbon dioxide and oxygen frequently, which eventually results in ground-glass-like lung images. The mechanism also interfered with the normal heme anabolic pathway of the human body, is expected to result in human disease. According to the validation analysis of these finds, chloroquine could prevent orf1ab, ORF3a, and ORF10 to attack the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8 and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of respiratory distress. Favipiravir could inhibit the envelope protein and ORF7a protein bind to porphyrin, prevent the virus from entering host cells, and catching free porphyrins. Because the novel coronavirus is dependent on porphyrins, it may originate from an ancient virus. Therefore, this research is of high value to contemporary biological experiments, disease prevention, and clinical treatment.

[8bitagent]

It was spooky checking out both Alex Jones and Michael Moores new vlogs. There was no video, just 15 minutes of audio. Two blowhard sirens against the "elite" who are diametrically opposed within 24 hours dropping all their signature ranty voice shit and plainly and calmly saying last night that...this is it. THIS is the fascist end game. The elite wants to kill us and control us all. Alex Jones. Michael Moore. Both having the same fucking tone in their short 15 minute audio transmissions. Listening back to back even tho there audiences dont listen to the other guy(but I do!)...it was like Cambodian, Egyptian and Aztec cultures all making the same pyamids around the same time moment.

Ive checked out Alex Jones semi regularly since the late 90s, thru the Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump era. Less, when Alex Jones became more far right/anti left. And Michael Moore Ive always loved. But just listen to them tonight, its scary. Even Alex Jones is saying Trump may be compromised and a puppet. BOTH saying the corporate elite want to kill us all.

Michael Moore this morning(15-20 minutes)
https://radiopublic.com/rumble-with-mic ... J/s1!3d37a

Alex Jones this morning(about 15 minutes)


They sound almost exactly the same. Maybe both the so called fringe right, left, "progressives", libertarians, 3rd position, justice dems, etc realize that FUCKING BERNIE, TRUMP and BIDEN WONT SAVE YOU.

Let Jimmy Dore last night spell out what a capitulated fraud Bernie has turned out recently


Theres THOUSANDS OF FUCKING DEAD BLACK PEOPLE wrapped in plastic in New York City and Chicago alone, and these yuppy lefty Whole Foods Yoga Wine Moms and Tik Tok Trendy Fucks doing goofy dances...while MASS GRAVES and thousands of military are positioning mass graves for countless black and latino and vulnerable bus drivers, MTA subway, etc. We've gone so sideways in the last few days that the confirmation bias of all sides isnt seeing whats happening in America

[8bitagent]

MAJORITY of American Covid deaths are black, with some latino, elderly whites. All working class and poor. The white rich liberal "progressive" idiot fucks love how multi generational Puerto Ricans got kicked out of their homes to make way for artisinal craft brew hipster bars and yoga studios DONT GIVE A SHIT and are just as guilty as these big pharma bloated Republican fucks. Same fucks who loved Obama who deported millions of Latinos, created kids and cages and created more wars than Bush. Fucking Cuomo gutted the health system in NY, kicked people off care yet hes the liberal savior? Forget maggot bloated avatar Trump. Geezus. WTF is Bernie doing? Why dont we have an organized mass general strike, rent freeze, emergency medicare for all? We went from a recession to talking head wonks on CNN sounding like conspiracy guys talking about possible new Great Depression, World War 3 and collapse of society the last 48 hours. Maybe the ItsGoingDown alt community planners and rent freeze folks in the bay and coast in America know what the fuck is up more than idiot Cuomo, Inslee, Trump, and feckless senile Biden or Joe or even savior Warren and AOC? Wheres Pelosi?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Jones sounds croaky. Has he got the plague

[alloneword]

Two days in a row, 600 dead in New York City. That is four times the average number of deaths in a day, a variation that could never just happen. There is no precedent in the last century that did not involve collapsing towers or other major disasters.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask... Where are those figure from?

The NYC data I'm seeing has the daily number of deaths peaking at 258 on 31st March, and declining since.

Right above the chart it says:

Due to delays in reporting,
recent data are incomplete.

So if the wide discrepancy between the figures Cuomo is quoting and the figures published on the nyc.gov website is due to 'delays in reporting', where are Cuomo's figures are actually coming from? No.

Saturday-Sunday-Monday deaths in New York City were reported as 630-594-599 by New York State at Cuomo's press conference. (No, I don't think they make up death numbers, but there are those who will.) Average deaths per day in recent years has been on the order of 150. (Which, as you know, puzzles me for reasons I described in the other thread.) My sources (real human friends) near major treatment centers in Brooklyn and Queens report the noisiest siren days by far.

ON EDIT: I expect discrepancy is because the nyc.gov data is after they've determined Covid as cause, whereas the NYS numbers from the Cuomo conferences seem to be total deaths in NYC. So 4x normal, but then something like 1/4 of that is still the normal?

I think the discrepancy is because Cuomo is quoting figures for New York State, not New York City.

Yes, it's not made very clear in his press conferences, but watch again and you'll see it .



https://youtu.be/_mziwN4fjG0?t=1146

Cultural question: He does refer to 'New Yorkers' - does this term usually refer to residents of just the City, or is it commonly used to refer to residents of the State?

The crude average number of deaths per day in New York State for 2017 was ~436, so yes, the daily 'covid' figures look to be < 40% (not 400%!) up on the crude (non-seasonally adjusted) average on the peak days, something not unseen during bad 'flu years here in the UK.

The total number of 'flu deaths' in NYS that year (not the worst year) is reckoned to be 4,517, so not far from the cumulative 'covid deaths' figure Cuomo is quoting here - although of course that figure includes deaths 'with' Covid, not just 'from'.

Now, so much more than ever, we need to be very careful to check what we're being told - or what we think we're being told. That's easy to say, but not easy to do in a climate of fear, bordering hysteria. But do it we must. Or we really, really are utterly fucked.

[kelley]

in february i looked out of the fourth floor windows of my shop and took in the highest concentration of public housing in the US all around me

it was clear this pandemic scenario wasn't going to be good

and when i now walk the dog along the mostly empty streets of my residential neighborhood exactly five miles to the west it's pretty clear the majority of the 9% have no clue what's in store for them

the levels of artifice can fall apart and the artifice can be seen as artifice and yet we're still fucked

all of us

because : artifice

the unreality of these events still have not become real for most citizens

[Belligerent Savant]

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Now, so much more than ever, we need to be very careful to check what we're being told - or what we think we're being told. That's easy to say, but not easy to do in a climate of fear, bordering hysteria. But do it we must. Or we really, really are utterly fucked.

YES.

Indeed.

[kelley]

also

will encourage everyone everywhere but especially in NYC to assist healthcare workers in any way possible with whatever means you might have

this includes guaranteeing they're fed

twelve hours shifts and limited access to food are real issues each day

many hospitals are accommodating GoFundMe initiatives and the like during these times

[Blue]

The Earth Is Telling Us We Must Rethink Our Growth Society
Why COVID-19 previews a larger crash. What we must do to save ourselves.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/04/06/ ... h-Society/

We are using nature’s goods and life-support services faster than ecosystems can regenerate. There are simply too many people consuming too much stuff. Even at current global average levels of consumption (about a third of the Canadian average) the human population far exceeds the long-term carrying capacity of Earth. We’d need almost five Earth-like planets to support just the present world population indefinitely at Canadian average material standards. Gaian theory tells us that life continuously creates the conditions necessary for life. Yet humanity has gone rogue, rapidly destroying those conditions.

When will the media call on systems ecologists to explain what’s really going on? If they did, we might learn the following:

That the current pandemic is an inevitable consequence of human populations everywhere expanding into the habitats of other species with which we have had little previous contact (Homosapiens is the most invasive of “invasive species.”)

That the pandemic results from sometimes desperately impoverished people eating bushmeat, the flesh of wild species carrying potentially dangerous pathogens.

That contagious disease is readily propagated because of densification and urbanization — think Wuhan or New York — but particularly (as we may soon see) because of the severe overcrowding of vulnerable people in the burgeoning slums and barrios of the developing world.

That the coronavirus thrives because three billion people still lack basic hand-washing facilities and more than four billion lack adequate sanitation services.

A population ecologist might even dare explain that, even when it comes to human numbers, whatever goes up must come down.

None of this is visible through our current economic lens that assumes a perpetually growing, globalized market economy.

Prevailing myth notwithstanding, nothing in nature can grow forever.

When, under especially favourable conditions any species’ population balloons, it is always deflated by one or several forms of negative feedback — disease, inadequate habitat, self-pollution, food shortages, resource scarcity, conflict over what’s left (war), etc. All of these various countervailing forces are triggered by excess population itself.

The problem is that Earth is a finite planet, on which the seven-fold increase in human numbers, vastly augmented by a 100-fold increase in consumption, is systematically destroying prospects for continued civilized existence. Over-harvesting is depleting non-renewable resources; land degradation, pollution and global warming are destroying entire ecosystems; biophysical life support functions are beginning to fail.

With increasing real scarcity, growing extraction costs and burgeoning human demand, the prices for non-renewable metal and mineral resources have been rising for 20 years (from historic lows at the turn of the century). Meanwhile, petroleum may have peaked in 2018 signalling the pending implosion of the oil industry (abetted by falling demand and prices resulting from the COVID-19 recession).

These are all signs of resurgent negative feedback. The explosion of human consumption is beginning to resemble the plague phase of what may turn out to be a one-off human population cycle. If we don’t manage a controlled contraction, chaotic collapse is inevitable.

more at link

[operator kos]

I see people saying that COVID-19 is hardly worse than the flu, and 99% of people are fine, so we shouldn't be making such a big deal about this. The fact is, of people who have tested positive for COVID-19, 5.6% have died. Another 19% suffer severe or critical symptoms. The dangers of this virus need to be taken seriously.

sources:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2762130

I see people posting videos of seemingly empty hospitals as "proof" that there's actually no pandemic. Yeah, many areas of hospitals are empty these days. People aren't going to the emergency room for things that aren't genuine emergencies. And there are less genuine emergencies since, for example, far fewer people are driving and getting into car crashes these days. Operating rooms are pretty quiet too. All non-essential surgeries have been put on hold. Ortho wing? Again, people aren't getting that knee replaced right now. The waiting rooms? Oh, yeah, empty. Few if any visitors allowed anywhere. But ICUs? You can bet your ass that they are packed to capacity right now in most hospitals. People putting out videos like these are either A) ignorant of how hospitals work and promoting dangerous misinformation or B) are perfectly aware of how hospitals work and are intentionally promoting dangerous disinformation.

The virus is not a hoax. The orders to stay home are not an overreaction. The REAL conspiracy is that billionaires want us to get back to work even if it costs us our lives. Factory owners can't make money if nobody's on the assembly line. Banks can't make money if nobody's taking out loans. Landlords can't make money if nobody can pay rent. I know that this shutdown is a financial hardship for so many people in America. But that really is not even a result of the virus or the shutdown response. It is a result of billionaires crushing any sort of social safety net programs in our country. It is a result of billionaires refusing to let us have a sensible healthcare system like every other first world country. It is a result of billionaires writing this bailout that gives ordinary people a paltry $1200 while they get billions in aid. It is class warfare in the truest sense, where ordinary people are being literally sacrificed for corporate greed. So do something about THAT if you're angry about the current situation.

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[alloneword]

The fact is, of people who have tested positive for COVID-19, 5.6% have died. Another 19% suffer severe or critical symptoms.

Could you walk me through your maths here (with exact sources), please?

[operator kos]

The fact is, of people who have tested positive for COVID-19, 5.6% have died. Another 19% suffer severe or critical symptoms.

Could you walk me through your maths here (with exact sources), please?

I provided you with the exact sources in my post. Did you... read it?

[alloneword]

Yes. Hence my asking.

[operator kos]

Yes. Hence my asking.

79,091 deaths / 1,390,511 cases = 5.69% mortality rate. It's right there in big red and white numbers at the top of the first link, so I'm not sure what the confusion is.

Severe: 14% (6168 cases)

Critical: 5% (2087 cases)

It's right under "Key Findings" near the top of the second link, so I'm not sure what the confusion is.