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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:55 am

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Link to the Telegraph story on State Department cables detailing FBI training for Egyptian torturers...
WikiLeaks: Egyptian 'torturers' trained by FBI 09 Feb 2011
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... y-FBI.html

At the moment Telegraph are the only ones in the Anglosphere corporate media who seem to be publishing stories from the cables. What a revolting development.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gaza.html

Wikileaks: Suleiman told Israel he would 'cleanse' Sinai of arms runners to Gaza

Omar Suleiman, the new vice-president of Egypt, told the Israelis he wanted to start “cleansing the Sinai” of Palestinian arms smugglers, according to leaked cables.

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Suleiman promised personally to take responsibility for 'cleansing the Sinai' Photo: REUTERS
By Christopher Hope 9:00PM GMT 09 Feb 2011


The news is more evidence of the close ties between Israel, the United States and Mr Suleiman, who is tipped to replace Hosni Mubarak as Egypt’s president.

The close relationship has emerged from American diplomatic cables leaked to the WikiLeaks website and passed to The Daily Telegraph.

Mr Suleiman is Israel’s preferred candidate to replace 82-year-old Mr Mubarak. A secret hotline between Mr Suleiman and the Israelis was said to be “in daily use”, according to US diplomatic cables.

The pledge to cleanse Sinai was made by Mr Suleiman to Yuval Diskin of the Israeli Security Agency (ISA) after he complained about the smuggling of weapons across the border with Gaza. According to a cable sent in November, 2007, Mr Diskin met Rob Danin, the US deputy assistant secretary of state, and Mark Kimmitt, the deputy assistant defence secretary, in Tel Aviv and told them that the Sinai peninsula had now become a “weapons and explosives warehouse” for operations in Gaza, Egypt and Israel.

The cable said: “Diskin told Danin and Kimmit [sic] that the ISA had, on several occasions provided Omar Suleiman, chief of Egypt’s intelligence services, with detailed intelligence on the names of smugglers.

“In 2005, Diskin said he met personally with Suleiman in Egypt, at which time Suleiman promised personally to take responsibility for 'cleansing the Sinai’.”

The cable continued: “Despite these promises and Israeli offers to initiate joint operations, Diskin said Egypt has not acted to eliminate the smuggling networks. In Diskin’s view, there is a core policy problem in that the Egyptians saw themselves as the primary mediator between the Israelis and Palestinians, and are careful not to alienate either side.”

Mr Suleiman worked hard to position himself as the main Egyptian link with Israel. According to the cable, he was blocking attempts by the Israelis to form links with other members of the Cairo government.

This was, according to Mr Diskin, because of Mr Suleiman’s “desire to remain the sole point of contact for foreign intelligence”.

The efforts paid off. In 2008, Mr Suleiman was named as Israel’s preferred successor to Mr Mubarak and the new secret direct hotline was in daily use. By early 2009, Dan Harel, deputy chief of staff at the Israel Defence Staff, was reporting that “on the intelligence side under Suleiman co-operation is good”.

A cable reported: “Co-operation against smuggling is better with Egyptian Intelligence Chief Omar Suleiman than it is with Egyptian Military Commander Field Marshall Tantawi.”

In May, 2009, in a meeting with the Americans, Mr Suleiman was telling them of how Egypt had made the border with Gaza more secure. This included “destroying tunnels, and erecting underground metal barricades”, although he “acknowledged that the smuggling could never be fully stopped”.

Mr Suleiman has already won the backing of Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, to lead the “transition” to democracy after nearly three weeks of demonstrations calling for Mr Mubarak to resign.

Earlier this week, David Cameron spoke to Mr Suleiman and urged him to take “bold and credible steps” to show the world that Egypt was embarking on an “irreversible, urgent and real” transition to democracy.

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Are the departure of Suleiman along with Mubarak and the soonest possible (real) election of a constituent assembly to create a new constitution high among the protest demands? Because it seems these would be the most important two guarantees that a transition to a democratic system happen.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:59 am

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Protests, strikes and media shift intensify pressure on Mubarak government

By Craig Whitlock and Leila Fadel
Washington Post Foreign Service

Thursday, February 10, 2011


CAIRO - An array of new developments turned against President Hosni Mubarak on Wednesday as Egypt moved closer to a full rupture between its autocratic government and a growing popular rebellion.

In Cairo, masses of demonstrators succeeded in blockading the parliament building, after spilling over from Tahrir Square, the epicenter of the protests. Elsewhere in the country, labor unrest spread, as thousands of textile, steel and hospital workers staged strikes. In a further break with the government, state-run television and newspapers changed their tone virtually overnight and began reporting favorably about the demonstrations.

For its part, the government adopted a harder line in its rhetoric, issuing dark warnings and an ultimatum. Vice President Omar Suleiman, in remarks carried by the official Middle East News Agency, said protesters had a choice - either commit to a "dialogue" with the government or face the likelihood of a "coup."

The Mubarak government also had harsh words Wednesday for the United States, a longtime ally. In an interview with "PBS NewsHour," Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said he was "often angry" and "infuriated" with the White House for its criticism of the Egyptian government's response in the early days of the crisis.

He also said Mubarak would not budge on his refusal to resign before his term ends in September. "He thinks it would entail chaos and it would entail violence," Aboul Gheit said.

In Washington, the White House repeated its call for Egypt to take "immediate" steps, including an end to violence and suppression of opposition figures and journalists, the lifting of long-standing emergency laws that restrict civil rights, and a broadening of the government's dialogue with the opposition.

White House officials declined to say what action, if any, the administration would take if the Egyptian government continued to reject its entreaties.

"The Egyptian people are going to be the drivers of the process," said deputy national security adviser Benjamin J. Rhodes. "Our ability to dictate outcomes, that's not something we're able to do. But we are able to make very clear what we expect and what we stand for."

Egypt's opposition leaders met with Suleiman on Sunday, but they have refused to join in further talks, despite a pledge by the vice president to set up committees to study possible constitutional changes. The negotiations will go nowhere, the opposition leaders say, unless Mubarak quits or acts more decisively to meet their demands.

"What is taking place on the ground is a conflict of wills," said Mohammed Mursi, a senior figure with the Muslim Brotherhood, a fundamentalist movement that seeks to impose religious rule. "The steadfastness of the people is confronting the stubbornness of the man who heads the regime."

The size of the crowd in Tahrir Square on Wednesday was modest compared with the unprecedented numbers that packed the city center the day before, but organizers were calling for another huge turnout Friday, the start of the Muslim weekend.

Among those joining in the labor unrest were 2,500 textile and steel workers who staged a strike in Suez, following 6,000 workers in the canal zone who had walked out the day before. In towns across the Nile Delta, about 1,500 nurses held a sit-in at a hospital, 800 workers went on strike at a bottling plant and 2,000 more stopped work at steel factories, according to state media reports.

In the industrial city of Mahala, about 24,000 textile factory workers were planning a strike Thursday, said Kamal Abbas, head of the Center for Trade Unions and Workers Services. "These are spontaneous," he said.

Fresh demonstrations erupted in remote corners of the country, including one that led to a confrontation between security police and about 3,000 protesters in the New Valley region, in Egypt's western desert. At least three protesters were killed, state television reported. In Assiut province, about 8,000 protesters blocked the main highway and railroad to Cairo with burning palm trees, then pelted the provincial governor's vehicle with rocks when he tried to talk to them.

Mubarak has refused calls from Washington and European capitals to lift the 30-year-old emergency law and to order the security services to stop harassing activists and journalists. Suleiman also has made clear in recent public statements that the government thinks it has done enough to accommodate protesters.

Any acts of civil disobedience, the vice president said Wednesday, would be "very dangerous for society, and we can't put up with this at all."

Although Suleiman has been the government's public face in talks with opposition factions, Mubarak remains fully in charge, said a Western diplomat in Cairo, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid antagonizing Egyptian officials. Mubarak has ignored calls to cede power to a transition council while elections are prepared.

Opposition leaders and Western diplomats said it is unclear when or if negotiations will resume. Suleiman "doesn't want to give people any hope that the government will give further inducements," said the diplomat in Cairo. But so far, the diplomat said, "it's not working for them."

"The ball is in their court," Essam el-Erian, a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, said of the government.

One complicating factor, the diplomats said, is that the opposition is highly decentralized. No figure has emerged who can speak for a majority of the demonstrators, many of whom have been spurred on by a coterie of young, well-educated Egyptians who have had no previous involvement in politics.

"It's the challenge of dealing with this leaderless phenomenon," said the Western diplomat in Cairo. "These are names, we have to say, that we don't know who they are. And they could be the next leaders of Egypt."

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Special correspondent Samuel Sockol in Cairo and staff writer Karen DeYoung in Washington contributed to this report.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby chump » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:31 am

Amazing interview with Wael Ghonim last night
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/ ... w.cnn?iref

Report on Al Jaz live now: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
"All the protesters' demands will be met ..."-
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Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:36 am

The shaping of a New World Order
If the revolutions of 2011 succeed, they will force the creation of a very different regional and world system.
Mark LeVine Last Modified: 06 Feb 2011 15:07 GMT

I remember the images well, even though I was too young to understand their political significance. But they were visceral, those photos in the New York Times from Tehran in the midst of its revolutionary moment in late 1978 and early 1979. Not merely exuberance jumped from the page, but also anger; anger fuelled by an intensity of religious fervour that seemed so alien as to emanate from another planet to a "normal" pre-teen American boy being shown the newspaper by his father over breakfast.

Many commentators are comparing Egypt to Iran of 32 years ago, mostly to warn of the risks of the country descending into some sort of Islamist dictatorship that would tear up the peace treaty with Israel, engage in anti-American policies, and deprive women and minorities of their rights (as if they had so many rights under the Mubarak dictatorship).

I write this on February 2, the precise anniversary of Khomeini's return to Tehran from exile. It's clear that, while religion is a crucial foundation of Egyptian identity and Mubarak's level of corruption and brutality could give the Shah a run for his money, the situations are radically different on the ground.

A most modern and insane revolt

The following description, I believe, sums up what Egypt faces today as well as, if not better, than most:

"It is not a revolution, not in the literal sense of the term, not a way of standing up and straightening things out. It is the insurrection of men with bare hands who want to lift the fearful weight, the weight of the entire world order that bears down on each of us - but more specifically on them, these ... workers and peasants at the frontiers of empires. It is perhaps the first great insurrection against global systems, the form of revolt that is the most modern and the most insane.

One can understand the difficulties facing the politicians. They outline solutions, which are easier to find than people say ... All of them are based on the elimination of the [president]. What is it that the people want? Do they really want nothing more? Everybody is quite aware that they want something completely different. This is why the politicians hesitate to offer them simply that, which is why the situation is at an impasse. Indeed, what place can be given, within the calculations of politics, to such a movement, to a movement through which blows the breath of a religion that speaks less of the hereafter than of the transfiguration of this world?"


The thing is, it was offered not by some astute commentator of the current moment, but rather by the legendary French philosopher Michel Foucault, after his return from Iran, where he witnessed firsthand the intensity of the revolution which, in late 1978, before Khomeini's return, really did seem to herald the dawn of a new era.

Foucault was roundly criticised by many people after Khomeini hijacked the revolution for not seeing the writing on the wall. But the reality was that, in those heady days where the shackles of oppression were literally being shattered, the writing was not on the wall. Foucault understood that it was precisely a form of "insanity" that was necessary to risk everything for freedom, not just against one's government, but against the global system that has nuzzled him in its bosom for so long.

What was clear, however, was that the powers that most supported the Shah, including the US, dawdled on throwing their support behind the masses who were toppling him. While this is by no means the principal reason for Khomeini's successful hijacking of the revolution, it certainly played an important role in the rise of a militantly anti-American government social force, with disastrous results.

While Obama's rhetoric moved more quickly towards the Egyptian people than did President Carter's towards Iranians three decades ago, his refusal to call for Mubarak's immediate resignation raises suspicion that, in the end, the US would be satisfied if Mubarak was able to ride out the protests and engineer a "democratic" transition that left American interests largely intact.

The breath of religion

Foucault was also right to assign such a powerful role to religion in the burgeoning revolutionary moment - and he experienced what he called a "political spirituality", But, of course, religion can be defined in so many ways. The protestant theologian Paul Tillich wonderfully described it as encompassing whatever was of "ultimate concern" to a person or people. And today, clearly, most every Egyptian has gotten religion from this perspective.

So many people, including Egypt's leaders, have used the threat of a Muslim Brotherhood takeover to justify continued dictatorship, with Iran as the historical example to justify such arguments. But the comparison is plagued by historical differences. The Brotherhood has no leader of Khomeini's stature and foreswore violence decades ago. Nor is there a culture of violent martyrdom ready to be actualised by legions of young men, as occurred with the Islamic Revolution. Rather than trying to take over the movement, which clearly would never have been accepted - even if its leaders wanted to seize the moment, the Brotherhood is very much playing catch up with the evolving situation and has so far worked within the rather ad hoc leadership of the protests.

But it is equally clear that religion is a crucial component of the unfolding dynamic. Indeed, perhaps the iconic photo of the revolution is one of throngs of people in Tahrir Square bowed in prayers, literally surrounding a group of tanks sent there to assert the government's authority.

This is a radically different image of Islam than most people - in the Muslim world as much as in the West - are used to seeing: Islam taking on state violence through militant peaceful protest; peaceful jihad (although it is one that has occurred innumerable times around the Muslim world, just at a smaller scale and without the world's press there to capture it).

Such imagery, and its significance, is a natural extension of the symbolism of Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation, an act of jihad that profoundly challenges the extroverted violence of the jihadis and militants who for decades, and especially since 9/11, have dominated the public perception of Islam as a form of political spirituality.

Needless to say, the latest images - of civil war inside Tahrir Square - will immediately displace these other images. Moreover, if the violence continues and some Egyptian protesters lose their discipline and start engaging in their own premeditated violence against the regime and its many tentacles, there is little doubt their doing so will be offered as "proof" that the protests are both violent and organised by the Muslim Brotherhood or other "Islamists".

A greater threat than al-Qa'eda

As this dynamic of nonviolent resistance against entrenched regime violence plays out, it is worth noting that so far, Osama bin Laden and his Egyptian deputy, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, have had little - if anything - of substance to say about the revolution in Egypt. What they've failed to ignite with an ideology of a return to a mythical and pure beginning - and a strategy of human bombs, IEDs, and planes turned into missiles - a disciplined, forward-thinking yet amorphous group of young activists and their more experienced comrades, "secular" and "religious" together (to the extent these terms are even relevant anymore), have succeeded in setting a fire with a universal discourse of freedom, democracy and human values - and a strategy of increasingly calibrated chaos aimed at uprooting one of the world's longest serving dictators.

As one chant in Egypt put it succinctly, playing on the longstanding chants of Islamists that "Islam is the solution", with protesters shouting: "Tunisia is the solution."

For those who don't understand why President Obama and his European allies are having such a hard time siding with Egypt's forces of democracy, the reason is that the amalgam of social and political forces behind the revolutions in Tunisia, Egypt today - and who knows where tomorrow - actually constitute a far greater threat to the "global system" al-Qa'eda has pledged to destroy than the jihadis roaming the badlands of Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen.

Mad as hell

Whether Islamist or secularist, any government of "of the people" will turn against the neoliberal economic policies that have enriched regional elites while forcing half or more of the population to live below the $2 per day poverty line. They will refuse to follow the US or Europe's lead in the war on terror if it means the continued large scale presence of foreign troops on the region's soil. They will no longer turn a blind eye, or even support, Israel's occupation and siege across the Occupied Palestinian territories. They will most likely shirk from spending a huge percentage of their national income on bloated militaries and weapons systems that serve to enrich western defence companies and prop up autocratic governments, rather than bringing stability and peace to their countries - and the region as a whole.

They will seek, as China, India and other emerging powers have done, to move the centre of global economic gravity towards their region, whose educated and cheap work forces will further challenge the more expensive but equally stressed workforces of Europe and the United States.

In short, if the revolutions of 2011 succeed, they will force the creation of a very different regional and world system than the one that has dominated the global political economy for decades, especially since the fall of communism.

This system could bring the peace and relative equality that has so long been missing globally - but it will do so in good measure by further eroding the position of the United States and other "developed" or "mature" economies. If Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and their colleagues don't figure out a way to live with this scenario, while supporting the political and human rights of the peoples of the Middle East and North Africa, they will wind up with an adversary far more cunning and powerful than al-Qa'eda could ever hope to be: more than 300 million newly empowered Arabs who are mad as hell and are not going to take it any more.

Mark LeVine is a professor of history at UC Irvine and senior visiting researcher at the Centre for Middle Eastern Studies at Lund University in Sweden. His most recent books are Heavy Metal Islam (Random House) and Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989 (Zed Books).

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:45 am

chump wrote:Amazing interview with Wael Ghonim last night
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/ ... w.cnn?iref

Report on Al Jaz live now: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
"All the protesters' demands will be met ..."-
senior army commander

meeting of the supreme council of armed forces

"AP reporting that Hosni Mubarek will meets the demands of the protesters."

good news???


Army discusses Mubarak's future
Army and ruling party officials suggest that President Hosni Mubarak may 'meet protesters demands'.
Last Modified: 10 Feb 2011 15:36 GMT


The Supreme Council of Egyptian Armed Forces has met to discuss the ongoing protests against the government of Hosni Mubarak, the president.

Hassan al-Roweni, an Egyptian army commander, told protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Thursday that "Everything you want will be realised".
Protesters have demanded that Hosni Mubarak stand down as president.

Hassam Badrawi, the secretary general of the ruling National Democratic Party, told the BBC and Channel 4 News on Thursday that he expected Mubarak to hand over his powers to Omar Suleiman, the vice-president.

Ahmed Shafiq, the country's prime minister, told the BBC that the president may step down on Thursday evening, and that the situation would be "clarified soon".

The Egyptian army statement on state television was met with a roar of approval from protesters in Tahrir Square, our correspondent reported.

Labour union strikes

The developments come as the 17th day of pro-democracy protests continued across the country on Thursday, with labour unions joining pro-democracy protesters.

Egyptian labour unions have held nationwide strikes for a second day, adding momentum to the pro-democracy demonstrations in Cairo and other cities.

The move comes as demonstrations calling for the immediate resignation of Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, entered their 17th day on Thursday.

Al Jazeera correspondents in Cairo reported that thousands of doctors, medical students and lawyers, the doctors dressed in white coats and the lawyers in black robes, marched in central Cairo and were hailed by pro-democracy protesters as they entered Tahrir [Liberation] Square.

The artists syndicate and public transport workers, including bus drivers, also joined the strikes
, our correspondents reported.

"It's certainly increasing the pressure on the government here," Al Jazeera's Steffanie Dekker, reporting from Cairo, said.

"I think it's worth making the distinction that the strikes going on are more of an economic nature, they are not necessarily jumping on the bandwagon of the protesters in Tahrir Square.

"Many of them are not actually calling for the president to step down, but fighting for better wages, for better working conditions."

Pro-democracy supporters across the country have meanwhile called for a ten-million strong demonstration to take place after this week's Friday prayers.

Hoda Hamid, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo, said that the mood in Liberation Square was "one of defiance, and if we judge by what is happening today, then I think ... many more people will heed that call and turn up".

Al Jazeera's Ayman Mohyeldin in Cairo reported that at least five government buildings, including the governor's office and the office for public housing, were set alight in two straight days of riots in the northeastern town of Port Said. The situation in the city had calmed by Thursday evening, he said.

Protest investigation

Meanwhile, an immediate investigation has been launched and possible criminal charges could be brought against the senior officer who ordered the firing on protesters during protests on January 28 protests, Moyheldin said.

The ministry of interior also announced the sacking of the head of security in the New Valley governorate, Moyheldin said.

Also on Thursday, Mahmoud Wagdy, the interior minister, announced that the police were back at work on the streets of the capital.

Meanwhile, Omar Suleiman, the country's vice-president, said on Thursday that his comments to American television station ABC had been taken out of context.

In his interview, Suleiman suggested that Egyptians were "not ready" for democracy. He had also earlier said that if protesters did not enter into dialogue with the Mubarak government, the army may be forced into carrying out a coup.

According to a statement released to a government news agency, Suleiman "emphasised that some sentences in his remarks ... were understood in the wrong way, especially his remarks regarding democratic transition in Egypt".

On Wednesday, Gaber Asfour, the recently appointed culture minister, resigned from Mubarak's cabinet for health reasons, a member of his family told Reuters.

The website of Egypt's main daily newspaper Al-Ahram said Asfour, a writer, was under pressure from literary colleagues to leave the post.

Asfour was sworn in on January 31 and at the time he had believed it would be a national unity government, al-Ahram said.

International element

There has been a renewed international element to the demonstrations, with Egyptians from abroad returning to join the pro-democracy camp. An internet campaign is currently under way to mobilise expatriates to return and support the uprising.

Protesters are "more emboldened by the day and more determined by the day", Ahmad Salah, an Egyptian activist, told Al Jazeera from Cairo. "This is a growing movement, it's not shrinking."

Meanwhile, 34 political prisoners, including members of the banned Muslim Brotherhood opposition group, are reported to have been released over the past two days.

There are still an unknown number of people missing, including activists thought to be detained during the recent unrest. Rights groups have alleged that the Egyptian army is involved in illegally detaining and sometimes torturing pro-democracy protesters.

Human Rights Watch said the death toll has reached 302 since January 28.

Egypt's health ministry has denied the figures, saying official statistics would be released shortly
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:41 pm

4.31pm: From my colleague Peter Beaumont:

So Egypt's military council statement is communique number 1 of er how many? getting a definite coup-y type vibe
less than a minute ago via web
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4.29pm: The White House has said the situation in Egypt is "fluid" and they do not know anything about Mubarak's plans.

4.25pm: The prime minister, Ahmed Shafiq, says Mubarak is still in power and no decisions have been taken that would change that. Shafiq said:

He is in his position. No decisions have been passed on from the president. Everything is normal. Everything is still in the hands of the president. The supreme leader [Mubarak] is informed of everything going on inside the Higher Military Council.


4.24pm: Al-Arabiya television is reporting that Mubarak has travelled to the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh with his army chief of staff.

4.22pm: My colleague Alexandra Topping has filed a story on the resignation rumours.

4.20pm: Hossam Badrawi, the secretary general of Mubarak's NDP party, has reiterated to the BBC that he wants the president to step down, and said that is the position of the whole of the NDP. Badrawi told the BBC what he wanted Mubarak to say to Egypt:

That he has fulfilled his promises to the people, he respects the requests of the young people in the street, and he is doing the right step to keep the country intact and hand the power to the vice-president.


4.15pm: Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, was not at the army council meeting either, the Associated Press reports.

4.14pm: The Associated Press notes that the army council's statement was labeled "communique number one", which the news agency says is "a phrasing that suggests a military coup".

4.13pm: This is the quote from Leon Panetta, the head of the CIA:

There's a strong likelihood that Mubarak may step down this evening, which would be significant in terms of where the, hopefully, orderly transition in Egypt takes place.


4.12pm: More unverified accounts of what is happening in Egypt. Mubarak is still in negotiations over whether to hand power to Suleiman, according to Reuters. An Egyptian official told the news agency: "It is not decided yet ... It is still in negotiation."

4.10pm: Some contradiction of these reports from Egypt's information minister, Anas el-Fekky, according to Reuters. He said:

The president is still in power and he is not stepping down. The president is not stepping down and everything you heard in the media is a rumour.


4.09pm: Blogger Sandmonkey has been sending some vivid tweets on the situation:

I am going to tahrir. It started there and will end there tonite. #jan25

Thousands are headin to tahrir carrying flags. :) #jan25

Thousand chanting that mubarak should wake up coz tonte is the last night. #jan25


4.01pm: Reuters is reporting a CIA official as saying that Mubarak is strongly likely to step down tonight.

An Egyptian official has told the news agency Mubarak's fate will be decided in a matter of hours and "most probably" he will step down.

Here is Reuters's translation of the state news agency Mena's statement on the army council meeting:

The Higher Army Council held a meeting today under Hussein Tantawi the head of the armed forces and minister of defence to discuss the necessary measures and preparations to protect the nation, its gains and the aspirations of the people. The council decided to remain in continuous session to discuss measures that can be taken in this regard.


3.59pm: I have just been speaking to my colleague Chris McGreal, who confirms there has been a sudden change in the atmosphere since the news from the military in the last half an hour. The feeling now in Cairo is "Boom: this changes everything", he said.

3.52pm: Here is a translation of the main question in the BBC's interview with Ahmed Shafiq, the Egyptian prime minister:

Interviewer: "Wasn't the protesters' message clear for President Mubarak to step down and pass his responsibilities to vice-president Omar Suleiman?"

Shafiq: "What you say is being discussed now. Whether it is positive or negative, this will be clarified soon."


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:55 pm

Mubarak is almost certainly standing down tonight. The fact that he was not present at the Military Council is incredibly significant, as is the fact that Suleiman was not present either. The wording of the communique suggests an army coup.

We're speculating that the scenario that happened in Tunisia is being reproduced here: Suleiman ordered the army to move against the people and the army refused.

The army's statement suggests that it has aligned itself with the objectives of the revolution.

The roads to Cairo International Airport have been closed, suggesting that Mubarak is on his way out of the country.

Before he left, he would have recorded his parting speech.

We are all waiting with bated breath: 3 million Egyptians in Tahrir Square alone.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:01 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:Mubarak is almost certainly standing down tonight. The fact that he was not present at the Military Council is incredibly significant, as is the fact that Suleiman was not present either. The wording of the communique suggests an army coup.

We're speculating that the scenario that happened in Tunisia is being reproduced here: Suleiman ordered the army to move against the people and the army refused.

The army's statement suggests that it has aligned itself with the objectives of the revolution.

The roads to Cairo International Airport have been closed, suggesting that Mubarak is on his way out of the country.

Before he left, he would have recorded his parting speech.

We are all waiting with bated breath: 3 million Egyptians in Tahrir Square alone.


might that mean that Suleiman's words in that interview yesterday weren't so much his threat of a coup as his fear of one?

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:06 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:We're speculating that the scenario that happened in Tunisia is being reproduced here: Suleiman ordered the army to move against the people and the army refused.


Thanks, that's the best analysis I've found. I'm surprised I haven't heard conjecture yet from Al Jazeera about the absence of Suleiman from the Military Council.

What a great day. Here's to many more.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:19 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote:Mubarak is almost certainly standing down tonight. The fact that he was not present at the Military Council is incredibly significant, as is the fact that Suleiman was not present either. The wording of the communique suggests an army coup.

We're speculating that the scenario that happened in Tunisia is being reproduced here: Suleiman ordered the army to move against the people and the army refused.

The army's statement suggests that it has aligned itself with the objectives of the revolution.

The roads to Cairo International Airport have been closed, suggesting that Mubarak is on his way out of the country.

Before he left, he would have recorded his parting speech.

We are all waiting with bated breath: 3 million Egyptians in Tahrir Square alone.


might that mean that Suleiman's words in that interview yesterday weren't so much his threat of a coup as his fear of one?

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But let's see where this leads first. The first step was taken, now, well, what happens now?

Suleiman ordered the army to move against the people and the army refused.


I kinda think we will see how much glossing over the global corporate hegemony mafia is willing to do at this point to assuage the protesters and kinda contain it or they will up the ante in some obscure form which will initiate more distress upon which they can capitalize for a greater piece of the pie. Maybe it's just because I'm a jaded American idealist, but something just seems to smack of "Yo bro, the liberals won! We got our first black prez!" I understand "ousting" a president is different than "electing" one in two very different societies. But, there has got to be a method to their madness, as well as "contingency plans". This could all very well be Hegelian.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:08 pm

Don't break out the champagne yet. It's not over till it's over. But this sure looks like the beginning of the end.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:14 pm

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Fuck! Now the word from the Egyptian Info Ministry as of 13:11 EST is that Mubarak is not, repeat NOT resigning in his reportedly imminent speech.

Could be a tug of war happening on the inside. How will the people react? If he remains in office, however nominally, there's no way this doesn't turn into big on-the-street brinkmanship tomorrow, if not tonight.

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