#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:53 pm

Yesterday's general assembly in Washington Square Park was awe-inspiring.

The crowd went so deep that the human microphone chain needed to repeat itself four times in order for the people in the back to hear. It's not very efficient, but it certainly lends an incredible air of drama!

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The most important aspect of it was that individual group leaders (Press, Sanitation, Direct Action, etc.) were introduced and people were informed that they could meet with the group directors following the assembly in order to learn and volunteer. Many people took them up on this.

Many more photos here:

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby ninakat » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:17 pm

Derrick Jensen Speaks To DC via Skype
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:21 pm

Occupy Atlanta Turns Down Congressman John Lewis' Request to Speak

Curious about the Occupy movement that started with Occupy Wall Street in September? These videos show what happened when Congressman Lewis attempted to speak to the group.



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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:32 pm

Thanks Willow for the great pics and the beer (hic) :thumbsup.

It was exhilarating to see to see people of all stripes assembled together like that, although I certainly agree with Willow's assessment of the organization-or lack thereof as evidenced by the leadership of the event. I'm pretty much an anarchist myself but I wanted to smack the guy who was trying to hijack the march and get people off the sidewalk. He was interesting- mid to late twenties, surrounded pied-piper-like by what were apparently teens, not suspicious at all :hrumph .

I had the most surreal bus ride home, first talking down a agitated gulf war vet, then nearly getting into it with a very angry young man who was screaming 'get a job' at protesters who were heading home. He liked his cheap electronics and he didn't give a shit who died so he could have them, or so he said. God forbid the hippies crash the economy, you know. :eeyaa He kept staring at me and commenting throughout the bus trip home and I found myself making escape plans and wishing I was carrying my work knives because he was making me quite nervous. Luckily, he didn't follow me off the bus and I got home in one piece.

What I have found weirdest about what I've seen so far this season- the absolute seething anger of certain individuals I've encountered who disapprove somehow about the protests. They could only appear more unhinged if their heads started rotating 360 degrees on their necks and started puking pea soup. Somehow, we (a bunch of working-class schleps) are going to be responsible in their eyes if the system collapses and the bankers and corporations withdraw whatever largess trickles down to them. :shrug: Fortunately, these people have been few and far between, but their rage strikes me as the kind that could be channelled into violent acts against protesters and supporters of the movement in general. They have a panicked vibe and a disassociation from reality that feels quite dangerous.


Once again, thanks Willow, it was great meeting you. I fear I will have to wait to meet the others- standing on concrete for so long has set off whatever the hell is wrong with my foot and I need to prop it up for awhile so I can get thru my lovely work shifts next week. Next weekend perhaps! Cheers!
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby ninakat » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:33 pm

What's up with the Occupy protests - for a sustainable culture?
by Jan Lundberg, Culture Change
04 October 2011

As I observe the Occupy Wall Street protest and its manifestations elsewhere, I have wondered about my own excitement over the phenomenon. I have been slow to say to myself, "This is it! I've been advocating nonviolent civil disobedience in the streets, and now it's here!" I'm glad and supportive, but to get involved right now by traveling to NYC was hardly thinkable.

But in my town, Santa Cruz, California, 200 people showed up tonight (Tuesday) downtown and resolved to begin the indefinite Occupy encampment on Oct. 6 by the court house at San Lorenzo Park.

I have a full plate of other projects, so I have until now cheered on others getting in the trenches in New York and Washington, D.C. I admit I doubted there would be a groundswell and that other cities' protests would sprout up fast, as they are. Or, I assumed they would be small and peter out soon. I've been in the trenches so long it's a lifestyle, and one gets jaded. I've been wrong before: I thought the World Trade Organization protest in Seattle, 1999 would not be a big deal. But I was amazed at the power of masses of engaged citizens, and I reveled in helping to shut down the WTO. One really ought to witness phalanxes of robocops attacking peacefully assembled citizens.

Until now I've looked hesitantly at the bright development of the Occupy movement. I was also glad to see nonviolent resistance and arrests at the White House over the tar sands pipeline, but I wasn't sure I had to go there to get arrested for what I believe in. (What I believe in is not a "clean energy economy" when it could also be mega-corporate, even if petrocollapse could allow for a whole new infrastructure.) One reason for not altering my plans is a previous commitment: I persevere with the Wrongful Death Complaint in Santa Barbara Superior Court regarding my abused mother, a victim of oil money.

Too many people for the ecosystem, and cheap, abundant oil is gone

To march in the streets and chant does not appeal much to me if mere reformism is the idea. The prevalent critique of the system is superficial and pulls punches. Commentators and critics seem to be unconsciousness about our culture, such that root issues are unmentioned. Physical realities such as biology are ignored: we have vast overpopulation, yes in the U.S. too, and with too many people comes strife and the starker effects of extreme greed. This is an unpopular view, particularly among those who believe the already stressed global ecosystem can be managed for several billion people indefinitely. But the means to replace cheap petroleum across the board, when it grew the economy and the population, are not at hand, although renewable energy can and will be used for small-scale, decentralized applications.

It is more commonly agreed that we have vast income disparity and, less often pointed out, outrageous theft of the commons by the violent elite. To back up this unfair and (self)destructive system, institutions such as church, state and the entertainment media tell us that material wealth is okay, and that working hard while being a polite, religious person supportive of the right to vote is all that is required of a citizen. Meanwhile, wars continue, global warming is a byproduct of industrialism that we assume we need, and overcrowding is ignored. The myths of progress, science as god, and beneficent civilization have served to confuse people in order to keep them in check. Do you think that any "representative" government like the U.S. corporate state is going to enact population stabilization or reduction measures, when the dominant philosophy is endless growth on our finite planet? -- perhaps, when it is too late for orderly, compassionate and fair policies that the majority of citizens could possibly have supported.

The majority of protesters against Wall Street, like the ones at Tahrir Square, have not to my knowledge spoken about overpopulation or civilization, but instead rail mainly about material deprivation and the absurd monetary wealth of the greedclass. This is healthy, but when demands are too narrow, and they are even possibly met, where are we? Back to the same underlying causes of our conflicts as we face extinction. One reason for confusion and misplaced goals is that oil and energy are poorly understood. The cost of oil is several times higher than the nominal price because of huge subsidies. So the cost is met by paying more for most other products and services. The Egyptians, Tunisians and other Arabs protesting their regimes had been faced with grinding food costs elevated by higher oil prices.

Collapse is a far greater force today than social movements. Nevertheless it is vital to resist extinction, greed, war, materialism, etc. with our bodies and minds. But to imagine we can cure our ills piecemeal or evade collapse is absurd. The system needs to be abandoned, not fixed when it is unfixable. For example, many of the protesters who are unemployed want jobs, jobs that are suspected of being withheld by greedy banksters or Republicans. But even if more jobs can be generated -- requiring economic growth that is impossible since the demise of cheap, ample oil supply -- why work for The Man?

The real alternative is community economics. This means local food production, making clothes and shelter from local materials sustainably, and doing without the vast consumption of energy that both fossil fools and technofix-environmentalists assume we need. Through bartering and mutual aid, we can dispense with the corporate economy and have better models such as alternative currency, more land trusts (residential and conservation), and rely on credit unions if necessary.

Do we need jobs, or subsistence in community?

Losing jobs is a good historical development when suddenly-jobless people see that material comfort is fleeting and needs to be re-evaluated for what is truly necessary: people drive less, begin to share more, and look to their useful skills such as gardening to avoid buying costly food unnecessarily. But being jobless also enables people to get out in the streets to protest. Unfortunately, the common sentiment is that more money or a "better job" will actually solve individuals' long-term problems. This is not the 1950s, '60s or '70s when The American Dream appeared so reasonable (unless you were a hippie dreamer).

The crucial question is what people are actually protesting. What is their vision for society? No doubt there is great diversity of answers among the protesters. Most of them share the less-often stated priorities of ending the wars and curbing global warming. But are the aims and dreams of the majority of the protesters really up to the task? Fortunately, many realize that individualism is passé.

Number one must be a sustainable culture that recognizes the overdue priority of harmony with nature and restoring the ravaged ecosystem. Only then can social justice be achieved and long lasting. To assume that righting wrongs -- struggling over the shrinking pie -- will allow us to finally treat Mother Nature right, is folly. Part of the problem is that "green" people define for themselves a convenient limit for change. Consumer society, which means all modern peoples, is shot through with a sense of privilege for enjoying technological conveniences. One Green Party activist in northern California told me, after we had worked together a while on and off campus, and we respected each other's work, "I'm not gonna live in a fuckin' teepee." I was disappointed to hear her say that, not because I wanted her to live in a teepee with me, but because she wanted to keep her relatively high-energy-consuming, suburban lifestyle. This would be okay if there were only a tiny fraction of consumers in existence. But with high population size, her sense of privilege flies in the face of indigenous, traditional ways that tread lightly on the land for uncounted millennia.

It comes down to these questions:
• What are we really willing to change?
• Can we question our way of life and imagine living very simply?
• Do we recognize other species' right to flourish, or do we believe we can and should grow and grow -- to become 10 million benign vegans in a less biodiverse people-farm?" (Not that this is achievable anyway, but it's a common misconception.)

If we aren't considering those questions as we demonstrate in the streets, write letters-to-the-editor, blog or comment on blogs, etc., we might "not know what we're fighting" ("Now there's revolution, but they don't know what they're fighting" - Jethro Tull's song Living In The Past, 1969).
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:48 pm

Twyla LaSarc wrote:Thanks Willow for the great pics and the beer (hic) :thumbsup.

Once again, thanks Willow, it was great meeting you. I fear I will have to wait to meet the others- standing on concrete for so long has set off whatever the hell is wrong with my foot and I need to prop it up for awhile so I can get thru my lovely work shifts next week. Next weekend perhaps! Cheers!


It was fun to hang out with you! Come on down to the Square anytime. Hope your foot feels better soon.

Elvis, I will have my phone on me, I'll see you later.

Plu, I agree, thanks for the encouragement!

The Washington Square action looks amazing. I spent some time in that park last year.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:02 pm

ninakat wrote:Derrick Jensen Speaks To DC via Skype
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17736902 ... ght/207254


Thanks for that nina!

ALL of the excess of wealth is from what has been stolen and exploited. Amen.

Project Willow wrote:Plu, I agree, thanks for the encouragement!
All it takes is a handful of audacious, resourceful people. Gamers have a one-up on us old-timers. They have trained themselves through gaming to get together in small groups, set themselves outrageous goals, identify and utilize individual skill-sets and acquire skills or resources as needed, then they storm the Bastille. For the Win. It can be done. We are seeing it happen right now.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:17 pm

Plutonia wrote:
ninakat wrote:Derrick Jensen Speaks To DC via Skype
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17736902 ... ght/207254


Thanks for that nina!

ALL of the excess of wealth is from what has been stolen and exploited. Amen.

Project Willow wrote:Plu, I agree, thanks for the encouragement!
All it takes is a handful of audacious, resourceful people. Gamers have a one-up on us old-timers. They have trained themselves through gaming to get together in small groups, set themselves outrageous goals, identify and utilize individual skill-sets and acquire skills or resources as needed, then they storm the Bastille. For the Win. It can be done. We are seeing it happen right now.

:wink:


The thing about this that I'm most struck by is the utter simplicity of it. I've often said that the difference between people who do things and people who don't is simply that the doers DO.

Unfortunately, it never occurred to me that that simple concept could apply to something this big. Two months ago, the thought that thousands of people in cities across the US could be rallied together based on many of the principles we discuss here on a daily basis seemed impossible due to the scope.

Thankfully, there were a few people who didn't see it that way and just fucking DID it.

This is for them:

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 2012 Countdown » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:32 pm

BD, I was going throught your photo album and saw this one. I don't think you posted it here, so I am because I found it amusing-

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Here, King is trying to scare people away from OWS as he and his like did the very things FOR the teabagging gun toters...and because they fostered and indulged the Tbaggers, they did indeed effect policy.
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Peter King Disapproves of Occupy Wall Street
King called on Americans to condemn the marches.

“We have to be careful not to allow this to get any legitimacy,” he said, adding “I’m taking this seriously in that I’m old enough to remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can’t allow that to happen.”


http://www.politickerny.com/2011/10/07/ ... ll-street/

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DC Protest Pepper Spray Incident Incited By Agent Provocateurs
October 9th, 2011

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It appears that one of the two in the confrontation with the security officer is Patrick Howley, Assistant Editor of The American Spectator. [See the following photograph in which Howley's Facebook Profile Photo is side-by-side with the person pictured at the Air and Space Museum]

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Immediately after the incident began hitting the newswires Howley published a “Breaking News” story with The American Spectator online in which he reveals that he had consciously infiltrated the group on Friday with the intent to discredit the movement. He states that “as far as anyone knew I was part of this cause — a cause that I had infiltrated the day before in order to mock and undermine in the pages of The American Spectator — and I wasn’t giving up before I had my story.” [read full report]

http://ampedstatus.org/dc-protest-peppe ... vocateurs/

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Published on Sunday, October 9, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
The Wall Street Occupiers and the Democratic Party

by Robert Reich

Will the Wall Street Occupiers morph into a movement that has as much impact on the Democratic Party as the Tea Party has had on the GOP? Maybe. But there are reasons for doubting it.

Tea Partiers have been a mixed blessing for the GOP establishment – a source of new ground troops and energy but also a pain in the assets with regard to attracting independent voters. As Rick Perry and Mitt Romney square off, that pain will become more evident.

So far the Wall Street Occupiers have helped the Democratic Party. Their inchoate demand that the rich pay their fair share is tailor-made for the Democrats’ new plan for a 5.6 percent tax on millionaires, as well as the President’s push to end the Bush tax cut for people with incomes over $250,000 and to limit deductions at the top.

And the Occupiers give the President a potential campaign theme. “These days, a lot of folks who are doing the right thing aren’t rewarded and a lot of folks who aren’t doing the right thing are rewarded,” he said at his news conference this week, predicting that the frustration fueling the Occupiers will “express itself politically in 2012 and beyond until people feel like once again we’re getting back to some old-fashioned American values.”

But if Occupy Wall Street coalesces into something like a real movement, the Democratic Party may have more difficulty digesting it than the GOP has had with the Tea Party.

After all, a big share of both parties’ campaign funds comes from the Street and corporate board rooms. The Street and corporate America also have hordes of public-relations flacks and armies of lobbyists to do their bidding – not to mention the unfathomably deep pockets of the Koch Brothers and Dick Armey’s and Karl Rove’s SuperPACs. Even if the Occupiers have access to some union money, it’s hardly a match.

Yet the real difficulty lies deeper. A little history is helpful here.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:42 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:52 pm

The power of the human microphone.

From Bruce's perspective:

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:28 pm

2012 Countdown wrote:BD, I was going through your photo album and saw this one. I don't think you posted it here, so I am because I found it amusing-

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Yeah, theere's a certain awesome Mystery Science Theater 3000 quality to a protest sign that makes a relatively obscure Fight Club reference.

I love the protester's sly smile, too. He's all like "90% of you don't even know what the fuck I'm on about, and most of the rest of you think I'm talking about the ex-Secretary of the Treasury."

:fawked:
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:47 pm

Can't remember if this has already been posted. If so please forgive the repeat.

Reportedly this is the Chicago Board of Trade building in New York. Pretty blatant way of saying "go screw yourself"...


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:54 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
2012 Countdown wrote:BD, I was going through your photo album and saw this one. I don't think you posted it here, so I am because I found it amusing-

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Yeah, theere's a certain awesome Mystery Science Theater 3000 quality to a protest sign that makes a relatively obscure Fight Club reference.

I love the protester's sly smile, too. He's all like "90% of you don't even know what the fuck I'm on about, and most of the rest of you think I'm talking about the ex-Secretary of the Treasury."

:fawked:


Obscure? Really?

Good. What's the first rule again?

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By the way, it's nice we don't have anyone here telling us how the CIA (or Bilderbergs, "globalists," etc.) engineered these protests. Guess that crap only appeals (to some) when you're defaming furrners.

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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:42 pm

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