David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Wombaticus Rex]

barracuda, Wombacticus Rex, why all the drama with/about MIB?

You have answered that yourself:

We can meta-meta MIB's intentions and how he asks the question perpetually and get mad at him because he makes some regulars have hissy fits but in the end the question remains the same, and is a simple one.

I give few fucks about his "intentions" -- it is the behavior that I have a problem with: asking the same question perpetually.

Edit: Do you want me to ask you if that's annoying for the next two weeks? Because I will if that helps.

[American Dream]

As far as I can tell AD is saying followers/fans of Icke may unwittingly be endorsing a belief system that is racist and anti-Semitic without themselves being racist or anti-Semitic. Do you understand the difference? It is like being a huge Disney fan and loving the film Aladdin. You may not be anti-Muslim/racist/or believe in anti-Arab stereotypes at all or aware you are consuming such images while watching Aladdin but by liking the film, buying it, encouraging your friends to watch it and accepting the images you view you may be endorsing passively such a worldview.

While you may disagree with AD on his interpretation of Icke's views and those who share them, he's not pulling them out of his ass. He's not the first to think Icke's views are anti-Semitic or racist so I don't think you can dismiss his reasoning. Icke has a world view that claims a minority of humans are evil non-humans that control the world. Sharing this belief is no small matter. At the most AD is saying some people haven't considered the whole content and context of Icke's message.

Yes- brekin gets it. Yay!

So why do they keep rolling out quotes from getting on 20 years ago, whilst crassly dismissing Ickes current position, which is completely anti war, completely anti racist, and homes in successfully, rather like the occupy movement, on where the real problems lie in our society?

Icke still traffics in Rothschild Zionism theory to this day...

[barracuda]

barracuda, Wombacticus Rex, why all the drama with/about MIB?

He's trolling, that's why, playing a game. When he brings something substantive to the table, let me know.

I've been pretty clear what side of this issue I'm on: David Icke's mythology is bullshit. But so is Mason I Bilderburg's schtick.

[slimmouse]

As far as I can tell AD is saying followers/fans of Icke may unwittingly be endorsing a belief system that is racist and anti-Semitic without themselves being racist or anti-Semitic. Do you understand the difference? It is like being a huge Disney fan and loving the film Aladdin. You may not be anti-Muslim/racist/or believe in anti-Arab stereotypes at all or aware you are consuming such images while watching Aladdin but by liking the film, buying it, encouraging your friends to watch it and accepting the images you view you may be endorsing passively such a worldview.

While you may disagree with AD on his interpretation of Icke's views and those who share them, he's not pulling them out of his ass. He's not the first to think Icke's views are anti-Semitic or racist so I don't think you can dismiss his reasoning. Icke has a world view that claims a minority of humans are evil non-humans that control the world. Sharing this belief is no small matter. At the most AD is saying some people haven't considered the whole content and context of Icke's message.

Yes- brekin gets it. Yay!

So why do they keep rolling out quotes from getting on 20 years ago, whilst crassly dismissing Ickes current position, which is completely anti war, completely anti racist, and homes in successfully, rather like the occupy movement, on where the real problems lie in our society?

Icke still traffics in Rothschild Zionism theory to this day...

Indeed he does, and Im still waiting for a response from yourself as to how you believe it has come to pass that 80% of the UKs leading political party are "friends of Israel".

Have you followed the money yourself ? What is going on here?

It might really help some of the racists in Ickes midst if you could clear this one up.

Because it clearly is a problem, and not discussing it openly can only create more harm than good, because, well you know, it kinda festers suspicion of the hand of "Rothschild Zionism" in all of this .

[compared2what?]

I think in some ways this may be the most important thread on RI. A brash new poster shows up and simply asks do you believe in lizard men and the whole house comes unglued. It is easier and safer to question the questioner then simply answer the question.

take the chip off your shoulder and the blinders off your eyes and you'll see that MANY people have answered the questions already. It might not be the black/white answer you or he want, but why should it? Is this the inquisition? Is this a test to see if any of us qualify for some mysterious club? What is the POINT of demanding an answer? Why are you supporting the side that has no business asking instead of the side that claims a right to abstain?

You know what else? From my perspective the board has not come unglued at all - in fact it seems very much unified at this time compared to MANY others.

And just to prove it:

I agree with all of that and was planning on saying most of it myself. Until I got to this post. I HATE when that happens. (Probably intentional too, grouse, moan, complain, bitch, etc.)

Anyway. This...

A brash new poster shows up and simply asks do you believe in lizard men and the whole house comes unglued. It is easier and safer to question the question

...is neither what happened nor the only thing that happened.

(Compromise.)

[Canadian_watcher]

That is definitely the problem, yes. You continue to antagonize people who 1) don't take it very well, 2) get disruptive as a result, and 3) have repeatedly, repeatedly explained their stance to you directly. You're not gonna change CW's mind.

It takes two to tango, and you've been calling the tune a lot here lately.

The astute reader will notice this is part of a strong pattern....

umm, WR - my mind is always open to changing. And I don't feel I've been disruptive.
I'm sorry that you have chosen my name out of the many, as I am definitely one of the people who have directly answered his questions.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

That which is is asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

But you've already introduced evidence into the discussion:

[Icke] even claims to have witnessed shapeshifting.

So could please lay out your debunkage of the evidence you've encountered for the group? Quit the fucking tap dance.

I don't really give a fuck about Icke or his mythos. I wanna know why you're conducting a witchhunt on my forum, and when and if you're going to begin posting here in good faith.

You really need to ask David Icke. He says he witnessed shapeshifting human-alien hybrids, i never saw shapeshifting human-alien hybrids.

I'll try and restructure my question into two parts to avoid another 50 pages of feigned confusion:

Do you support or have you ever supported or defended David Icke and/or his beliefs?

• If your answer is "yes," do you believe human-alien hybrids exist(ed)?
• If your answer is "no," there is no need to respond.

This should cut down on clutter responses.

[American Dream]

Okay, that is perfectly fair. My point is just that being vague on a "people" and "they" level does exactly that: casts aspersions on RI in general.

Thank you for specifically naming people so we can clarify this conversation and the problem.

Also, please note that it takes two (or more) to tangle. I post material which says that Icke has a spotty record for claiming unfounded assumptions as factual and for propagating racist/far right twaddle. It takes somebody else to heatedly deny this and/or post endless reams of crap that may serve only to distract from a coherent discussion. Have you really read this thread? There is a whole lot of garbage on there and the vast bulk of it is not from me.

That is definitely the problem, yes. You continue to antagonize people who 1) don't take it very well, 2) get disruptive as a result, and 3) have repeatedly, repeatedly explained their stance to you directly. You're not gonna change CW's mind.

It takes two to tango, and you've been calling the tune a lot here lately.

The astute reader will notice this is part of a strong pattern....

Wombat, as far as I can tell, many/most of us antagonize others here, at least sometimes.

Can you show me what I did that was particularly egregious, as compared to the three I mentioned and maybe CW too?

[Wombaticus Rex]

CW, I apologize for any offense. You have answered his questions, yeah, I don't think I said or implied otherwise, grammatically speaking.

And if you feel like you're having a constructive dialog with AD, please continue.

I was just mis-interpreting this, I guess:

Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions...

yep, that's what I've known you've meant, AD, from the very first time you flagellated me with comic strips a couple of years ago. And that's why I find this method of yours to be beyond contempt.

You are telling me and other adults that we support racism as none of us are intelligent, thoughtful or mature enough to be able to discern whether or not we are doing so. it`s putrid.

You know what? YOU are the only one supporting any sort of "ism" here. You are dividing people into a class of your own creation using your own definition and treating us all as second class humans.

fucking shame on you you self-righteous hypocrite.

[barracuda]

You really need to ask David Icke. He says he witnessed shapeshifting human-alien hybrids, i never saw shapeshifting human-alien hybrids.

So, nothing of substance, huh? You produce an entire video surrounding David Icke and his ideas, but asked a simple question have nothing to offer but this? "Ask David Icke"?

I'm asking YOU, buddy. Have you got a counter to the eyewitnesses or are you just as full of air as the balloon bouquet UFOs you so deftly debunked?

Have you got anything at all?

[brekin]

Wombaticus Rex, barracuda I feel you, thread fatigue.

But really this thread got redundant after page one because:

1. It originally was a thread about how David Icke is able to persuasively sell a crazy belief system.
2. It became apparent that some people didn't think what he was selling was crazy.

So the conversation really switches repeatedly back between those who either believe 1. or 2.
It is a logic switch that will blink on and off without end because 1 will never become 2, and vice versa.

[Canadian_watcher]

CW, I apologize for any offense. You have answered his questions, yeah, I don't think I said or implied otherwise, grammatically speaking.

And if you feel like you're having a constructive dialog with AD, please continue.

I was just mis-interpreting this, I guess:

Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions...

yep, that's what I've known you've meant, AD, from the very first time you flagellated me with comic strips a couple of years ago. And that's why I find this method of yours to be beyond contempt.

You are telling me and other adults that we support racism as none of us are intelligent, thoughtful or mature enough to be able to discern whether or not we are doing so. it`s putrid.

You know what? YOU are the only one supporting any sort of "ism" here. You are dividing people into a class of your own creation using your own definition and treating us all as second class humans.

fucking shame on you you self-righteous hypocrite.

that's a separate issue than grilling anyone about icke and changing anyone's mind.

THAT post (are you paying attention, AD) is why AD ought to be sanctioned at this point, because he is most definitely saying that a handful of posters here are so stupid that they don't know they are racists.

AND he's implied it repeatedly throughout this WHOLE thread and every other thread that has ever mentioned Icke.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Wombat, as far as I can tell, many/most of us antagonize others here, at least sometimes.

#TROOF

Can you show me what I did that was particularly egregious, as compared to the three I mentioned and maybe CW too?

You are not particularly egregious in the least, captain, and I think that's why this problem has been such a slow burn. To the contrary, you bring actual brainfood content with pretty much every post you've done. You're more of an asset than a problem.

But the problem is just this persistent acrimony jazz that's been on full display in this thread.

I have no ultimatums for anyone, I just want to see this one burn out clean. I appreciate that you would help clarify this even though we are, clearly, far afield now from forum rules about discussing concepts and not contributors.

Also, worth repeating:

And let's make sure that others understand that I have consistently supported the idea that spurious charges of anti-Semitism are used as a political weapon all the time. It has been many years that I have told how myself and my communities have been indeed targeted just this way by zionist hawks for working in solidarity with Palestinians.[/size]

[Mason I Bilderberg]

OK, I endorse David Icke.

Do you endorse Icke's belief human-alien hybrids exist(ed)? If so, what evidence supports your belief?

Enough. You can't really be asking in earnest anymore, if you ever were.

This is getting more interesting by the page - like detecting the presence of a black hole not by direct observation, but by observing the effects of the black hole on the surrounding mass.

If somebody earnestly believes, defends or supports Icke in some way, why would it be disingenuous to ask if the earnestness extends to a belief in alien-human hybrids?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Brekin: I agree.

I await page 100 with a curiously euphoric sense of dread.

Have a good Sunday, everyone, I am going. To drink.