9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?

[theeKultleeder]

Without a sense of humor, we would all go crazy. Jokes, wit really, sharpen the intellectual faculties too. All those great, funny lines in Shakespeare, even in the dramas, are the best parts. (Like when King Lear looks out into the audience and winks while delivering a sex joke!)

And people who don't get enough dream-sleep suffer dramatically. And no dreams at all make a person psychotic.

There is "tearing down," but there is also "building up," and that requires imagination beyond the boundaries of what-is, into the realms of what-could-be.

I bet Hugh can crack a good one in person, and we all know how imaginative he is...

[Seventhsonjr]

But the PURPOSE of the attack was precisely to blame those who were NOT involved (Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, the Left who are "soft" on terrorism)

So al Qaeda wasnt involved in 9/11 now? Oh my

Exploring al Qaeda's deep involvement in 9/11 is exactly how you uncover how it was done, and how the global elite pulled it off.

I tell people who call me a "9/11 conspiracy theorist", I say "of course al Qaeda was used to carry out 9/11...they were not falsely blamed, they are willing stooges, who do you think controls and funds them?"

I haven't seen any compelling/convincing evidence to support the notion that Al Qaeda was involved in planning or carrying out this operation. It may be that people who BELIEVED they were in Al Qaeda were used as patsies or who PRETENDED to be in Al Qaeda (as a cover). But to say that these were not all BFEE operatives or patsies controlled by the intel/military/BFEE is simply not facing the reality.

It is kinda like blaming Castro for JFK's death because Oswald was parading around in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Without a sense of humor, we would all go crazy. Jokes, wit really, sharpen the intellectual faculties too. .....

There is "tearing down," but there is also "building up," and that requires imagination beyond the boundaries of what-is, into the realms of what-could-be.

I bet Hugh can crack a good one in person, and we all know how imaginative he is...

Lenny Bruce, Dan Hicks, Frank Zappa...all funny social commentators.
Satire can be very revealing of injustice sustained with deception.
And it can be a palliative, too.

Offline I'm considered to be a class clown. More Dan Hicks than Robin Williams.
Demeanor can seem quite grim and earnest when dissecting crime online and give distorted impressions of the typing animal.

In another thread I'm making a case for minimizing fiction in favor of facts under emergency social conditions - global warming, Naziism, torture gulags, etc. - and I'm getting tarred with the equivalent of 'The War on Christmas' as if I hated art and creative expression.

Nuance is not for everyone.
Many brains do not understand metaphor. That's based on neuroscience and linguistics research that should make the clever monkeys on this board stop and think about how to communicate the proverbial 'revolution,' really, just social evolution to peace and justice and away from violence as a social norm.

Damn...I forgot the punchline again.


Oh oh. Back to the op.
Last night I watched Mel Gibson in the 1997 movie, 'Conspiracy Theory.'

LOTS of use of humor, fictionalization, subliminal framing, and all the tricks to discredit investigation of planned crimes.

Why 1997? That year a new trial had a jury declare the US government killed Martin Luther King.
Timing. Context.
I'll write it up on a separate thread.

[theeKultleeder]

RE: "Conspiracy Theory"

The crazed conspiracy theorist turned out to be correct, AND a victim of mind control.

And you didn't like it?

Did you ever stop and think that having that movie assimilated into the old brain matter might make minds more open to real conspiracies?

[professorpan]

In another thread I'm making a case for minimizing fiction in favor of facts under emergency social conditions - global warming, Naziism, torture gulags, etc. - and I'm getting tarred with the equivalent of 'The War on Christmas' as if I hated art and creative expression.

Nuance is not for everyone.

The irony of your statement (above) is that you are being chastised in the other thread for a lack of nuance.

But let's try to keep this thread on track.

[8bitagent]

But the PURPOSE of the attack was precisely to blame those who were NOT involved (Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, the Left who are "soft" on terrorism)

So al Qaeda wasnt involved in 9/11 now? Oh my

Exploring al Qaeda's deep involvement in 9/11 is exactly how you uncover how it was done, and how the global elite pulled it off.

I tell people who call me a "9/11 conspiracy theorist", I say "of course al Qaeda was used to carry out 9/11...they were not falsely blamed, they are willing stooges, who do you think controls and funds them?"

I haven't seen any compelling/convincing evidence to support the notion that Al Qaeda was involved in planning or carrying out this operation. It may be that people who BELIEVED they were in Al Qaeda were used as patsies or who PRETENDED to be in Al Qaeda (as a cover). But to say that these were not all BFEE operatives or patsies controlled by the intel/military/BFEE is simply not facing the reality.

It is kinda like blaming Castro for JFK's death because Oswald was parading around in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Well while "al Qaeda" did not come up with the plans for 9/11, nor
were they the ones running the show, there is NO DOUBT the global infrastructure of al Qaeda and Islamic terror cells are CONTROLLED by the elite and were used as the bullet and the gun for 9/11 and many other operations

I can prove that many of the so called "Islamic" terror attacks since 1976, at least the major famous ones, have the hand of intelligence

While many young people in Pakistan realize Osama is an nwo stooge, many sadly do look up to him and al Qaeda/Taliban.

If you want I can lay it all out how 9/11 was planned, concieved, and exactly how "al Qaeda" has been used to carry out endless terror attacks
at the behest of their globalist puppet masters. It's a Russian nesting egg doll of the most complex kind.

[Seventhsonjr]

But the PURPOSE of the attack was precisely to blame those who were NOT involved (Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, the Left who are "soft" on terrorism)

So al Qaeda wasnt involved in 9/11 now? Oh my

Exploring al Qaeda's deep involvement in 9/11 is exactly how you uncover how it was done, and how the global elite pulled it off.

I tell people who call me a "9/11 conspiracy theorist", I say "of course al Qaeda was used to carry out 9/11...they were not falsely blamed, they are willing stooges, who do you think controls and funds them?"

I haven't seen any compelling/convincing evidence to support the notion that Al Qaeda was involved in planning or carrying out this operation. It may be that people who BELIEVED they were in Al Qaeda were used as patsies or who PRETENDED to be in Al Qaeda (as a cover). But to say that these were not all BFEE operatives or patsies controlled by the intel/military/BFEE is simply not facing the reality.

It is kinda like blaming Castro for JFK's death because Oswald was parading around in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Well while "al Qaeda" did not come up with the plans for 9/11, nor
were they the ones running the show, there is NO DOUBT the global infrastructure of al Qaeda and Islamic terror cells are CONTROLLED by the elite and were used as the bullet and the gun for 9/11 and many other operations

I can prove that many of the so called "Islamic" terror attacks since 1976, at least the major famous ones, have the hand of intelligence

While many young people in Pakistan realize Osama is an nwo stooge, many sadly do look up to him and al Qaeda/Taliban.

If you want I can lay it all out how 9/11 was planned, concieved, and exactly how "al Qaeda" has been used to carry out endless terror attacks
at the behest of their globalist puppet masters. It's a Russian nesting egg doll of the most complex kind.

Cool, Lay it out for us.
Especially this: "While many young people in Pakistan realize Osama is an nwo stooge, many sadly do look up to him and al Qaeda/Taliban. "

A source for that would be useful.

I have many Paki friends and so this info would be useful to me (and many seem to have military ties but also seem fed up with the Paki gov situation).


Maybe I should not object to the word "involved" in 9-11.

But that si quite different than being the ones or one in an organization which is actually a front for a psyops and black ops plan run out of our own intel headquarters in DC and Langley.

P.S. Funny that the time travel scientist dude in The Journeyman (which i like a lot and we have not tovuhed on yet as far as I know) is named Langley. I hung out for a while with one of the actors in that show when I was doing theater and so I watch it and like it much and it hits on a lot of the subjects we skirt here. CT, time travel, other dimensional shit. It's cool.

[geogeo]

If you read the literature very carefully, you will discover that "Al Qaeda" was largely a creation of John O'Neill, the same guy who created Osama bin Laden and trotted him out every time a bomb attack happened. We have been progressively creating "Al Qaeda" since 2001, so that now it is almost absurd to talk about it as it is, a fiction that has become a reality. There is not and never was a global group of this nature, and this admitted by many around the time of the attacks. The FBI (read, O'Neill and cronies) needed a name for legal reasons. In any case, none of the bombings before 9-11, except for possibly the Khobar Towers, have ever been pinned on OBL; if anything, Ayman Al-Zawahiri is the real deal. O'Neill went running off to Yemen after the Cole to be a hero, while he was really covering up, which is why Bodine got so pissed at him. He only ever started admitting to anything in this ridiculous media productions that come out every once in a while.

The Pakistanis were, in the beginning, quite bemused by the whole thing, as it seemed that the name "Al Qaeda" meant "The Base" and referred to the mujahideen support network in Pakistan. But, eventually, enough allegations of Al Qaeda connections and you end up with a worldwide network; but I'm not even sure that any of the members of the loosely-linked groups tend to come out and say "Oh yeah, I'm with Al Qaeda", unless they are, gulp, coerced. I mean, what worth are their testimonies anyway, when we know they're tortured to get them.

But then, back when I still watched cable news, every time they talked about Al Qaeda they showed some dudes in pjs jumping over an obstacle course with rifles. Same video, over and over. Somehow, that scared Americans.

9-11 was the event that opened people's mind so wide that anything could be shoved in and brainwashing effected. Seems like what the Middle Easterners always say, the revenge of the Crusaders. All Christendom solidly hating and fearing Muslims (despite the liberals, who often protesteth too much).

[theeKultleeder]

Yeah, but Islam is very militant - always has been. I'm sure there are some who dream of re-establishing the Caliphate.

[geogeo]

There are those who dream of re-establishing the Caliphate, yes, but I would hesitate to make a statement as general equating Muslims with militancy. I have known many Muslims, most of these from sub-Saharan Africa, and they are far from militant. Islam has militant practitioners, as do all religions. There are extremists in all religions--certainly many, many in Hinduism, Judaism, and Xtianity.

[8bitagent]

If you read the literature very carefully, you will discover that "Al Qaeda" was largely a creation of John O'Neill, the same guy who created Osama bin Laden and trotted him out every time a bomb attack happened. We have been progressively creating "Al Qaeda" since 2001, so that now it is almost absurd to talk about it as it is, a fiction that has become a reality. There is not and never was a global group of this nature, and this admitted by many around the time of the attacks. The FBI (read, O'Neill and cronies) needed a name for legal reasons. In any case, none of the bombings before 9-11, except for possibly the Khobar Towers, have ever been pinned on OBL; if anything, Ayman Al-Zawahiri is the real deal. O'Neill went running off to Yemen after the Cole to be a hero, while he was really covering up, which is why Bodine got so pissed at him. He only ever started admitting to anything in this ridiculous media productions that come out every once in a while.

The Pakistanis were, in the beginning, quite bemused by the whole thing, as it seemed that the name "Al Qaeda" meant "The Base" and referred to the mujahideen support network in Pakistan. But, eventually, enough allegations of Al Qaeda connections and you end up with a worldwide network; but I'm not even sure that any of the members of the loosely-linked groups tend to come out and say "Oh yeah, I'm with Al Qaeda", unless they are, gulp, coerced. I mean, what worth are their testimonies anyway, when we know they're tortured to get them.

But then, back when I still watched cable news, every time they talked about Al Qaeda they showed some dudes in pjs jumping over an obstacle course with rifles. Same video, over and over. Somehow, that scared Americans.

9-11 was the event that opened people's mind so wide that anything could be shoved in and brainwashing effected. Seems like what the Middle Easterners always say, the revenge of the Crusaders. All Christendom solidly hating and fearing Muslims (despite the liberals, who often protesteth too much).

I'll boil it down real quick...because I agree in part with what you're saying.

The name brand of "al Qaeda(TM)" did not surface publicly until early 2001
in a New York hearing against those the government believed were involved in the 1998 African embassy bombing.
You can google, archive.org, etc and you won't find much if any mention of the name "al Qaeda/al Qaida/al Queda" before 9/11/2001.

Like the Power of Nightmares suggests, "al Qaeda" as a massive ocotopus super villain group is a hoax.

However, I will say this...from my own research.

I often say Islamic terror is a proxy force, a pretext of the ruling elite Islamic extremists claim to hate.

But I often want to make it clear what I mean by al Qaeda:

"al Qaeda" is pretty much Egyptians Ayman al Zawahiri(whose brother leads the CIA funded forces in Macedonia) and Ali Mohammed(CIA/FBI/special forces) finding Osama during the Khost pass construction era toward the dwindling of the 79-89 war, and convincing him to back away from Azzam and toward Egyptian jihad beliefs.

But...it would not be til 1993 that Osama fully succumbed to Egyptian jihad ideology in Sudan.

While John Oneil provided us all with the cute 1993-2001 legend of Osama and al Qaeda...

it was Ali Mohammed that literally created Osama, al Qaeda, the training camps, the hijacker boxcutter ledger, the training, the "planes going into buildings" meme, the "WTC as a target" meme, the WTC 1993 plot and the 1998 embassy plot.

The real truth behind the WTC 1993 plot is very simple.

Ali Mohammed "stole"(I think he was given) from Fort Bragg in 1989 high level classified documents on how to blow up high rises AND diagrams of the World Trade Center.

This same year he would train his fellow Mujahadeen CIA funded comrades in New York. CIA provocatuers Mujahadid Menepta(Lattimore)
and FBI informant Emad Salem in late 1992 would finalize the plot all orchestrated by rogue elements of the US government

But before that...in 1991 a radical Rabbi named Khahani was assassinated by a man named el-Nossair. And it was in his house, that Ali Mohammed's
blueprints to blow up the WTC, stolen from Ft Bragg, scribbled with jihadist notes("we must bring down their pilars of commerce!") were found. Of course, that lingered in a police locker conveniently til 1993.

WTC 1993 was done through the CIA setup al Kifah refugee center in Brooklyn, the very jihadist hot spot Able Danger picked up. It was ran by a CIA asset named Whalid el-Hage, Osama's personal secretary. He worked with the Blind Sheikh.

Al Kifah after WTC 1993 switched to funding the Bosnian Balkan jihadist cause a few years later, which Mohammed Atta(by then fully funded by rogue elements of the Rockefellers, US and Germany thru CDS International) was helping with

Whalid el Hage was found with phone numbers of Ali Mohammed, Osama's top financiers, and Marmoun Darkalani(one of the leaders of the Hamberg cell)

The kicker? We're told Khalid Mohammed came up with the idea of 9/11 from Ramzi Yousef's "Bojinka". WRONG! That came from Ali Mohammed and CIA provocatuers feeding them that crap. The Abu Sayaff in the Phillipines and JI in Indonesia. This ties in with the HUM, MAK, HAJI, and JEM groups the CIA/ISI/Saudis set up

Finally...everything about 9/11 and global jihad connects to a man named Hambali, a total CIA stooge along with Omar al Faruq.
Hambali formed a front company named Konsojaya in Malaysia.
This was when Yassin al Qadi formed BMI and Ptech as fronts for al Qaeda and Osama that also worked hand and glove with the US government

Hambali's partner in Konsojaya was Wali Khan Amin Shah, who helped "mastermind Bojinka". Hambali was also at the CIA setup of Yazid Sufaat(who ran Infocom)'s "9/11 meeting" in Jan 2000 in Kuala Lampar

It was FROM this guy's condo that Norman Oklahoma bound Hussein al Attas and Moussaoui, as well as Nawaf al Hamzi and Khalid al Midhar came from(those two were part of the CIA Balkans operations, Attas and Moussaoui part of the FBI sting op in San Diego and Oklahoma)

Bottom line is, it is 100% provable that the entire 1989-2001 and beyond
terror network is fully paid for, controlled and funded by the global new world order elite though Saudi Arabia, the CIA, drug money, MI6, Pakistan, Qatar, Dubai in the UAE, Sudan, Mossad, ISI, GID, and shell front companies.

From Jemaah Islamiyah to Abu Sayaff to HEM to MAK to Jundullah to EVERY splinter "al Qaeda" group...its all controlled.

And it all comes down to Ali Mohammed, John Oneil, Whalid el Hage, Yassin al Qadi, and Hambali.

Khobar towers 1996: possible Hezbollah job

1998 African Embassy: CIA man Ali Mohammed

2000 Cole Bombing: Sudan and Yemeni job, possible CIA involvement

WTC 1993: CIA/FBI job

9/11: multi layered operation using GID, ISI, MI6, Mossad, and a decade worth of criss crossing jihadist networks all glued together by shell companies and advanced AI software thru Ptech, and Israeli communications.

Osama is like Bush, a spoiled kid of a powerful family whose just a puppet of the same nwo elite.

[geogeo]

Well, yeah, I was GONNA say that...

Looking at lineages, the CIA's parent agency OSS was largely created and trained by British intelligence; MI6 and MI5 have long ties to Muslim Brotherhood (basically, they created it as a stay-behind), and many or most of the models of covert action, disinfo and etc. that we find come from Britain, just as our modern world commerce system derives from the activities in the Square Mile. Radical Islamic revival? mosques in London. World-spanning empire, greatest since Roman Empire, country without constitution and where elite get enormous special privileges and, essentially, their own House of Parliament? Country mostly responsible for bringing Western civilization to the four corners of the Earth? Country that hasn't been invaded by land in God knows how long, that hasn't been the subject of a revolution in, what, 300+ years? Anglo-American conspiracy?

I'm not Lyndon Larouche, but it often seems that most paths lead back to London. Oh yeah, I forgot, origin of Freemasonry.

[theeKultleeder]

^^^Puh-shaw! Freemosonry started in Jerusalem, or Egypt or whatever...


[BTW, green text is code for sarcasm...]

[FourthBase]

Again, my point wasn't that the psychic grid of ideas is implausible.
It's that there's no way in hell it's more plausible than an ordinary leak.

Study probability. Study historical coincidences (no need for the application of any sort of metaphysics or paranormal explanations).

Add in the fact that the meme or destroying the WTC was very much circulating, and that conspiracy writers are tapped into the subculture, and it seems not all that unusual of a coincidence.

Why would I need to study probability when I'm talking about plausibility? Is there a science to plausibility? Plausibility 101? Also, why interject with your wannabe damp blanket when the interjection wasn't relevant? The comparison was between tapping into the morphogenic/telepathic universe vs. an ordinary leak. Historical coincidences have nothing to do with that comparison. And because it was a comparison, it dealt with comparatives, i.e., I was not claiming in this thread that either was plausible by itself to any extent.

Regardless, name me another example of the commercial-airliner-crashing-into-WTC meme. Specifically that meme. Explicitly that scenario, not a vague resemblance or half-resemblance. And let's actually tally the total pre-9/11 occurences of the destroy-the-WTC meme and see how truly "not all that unusual" it really was.

[theeKultleeder]

What hack writer worth his salt couldn't come up with bombing New York City with a plane?