Air France flight missing over Atlantic

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Postby Jeff » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:58 am

Debris recovered so far from Air France flight 447 seems to indicate the jet plunged suddenly into the Atlantic Ocean and did not explode in the sky, Brazilian experts say.


Though now:


Autopsies suggest jet broke apart in the sky


Jun 17, 2009 07:58 PM
Emma Vandore,Stan Lehman
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SAO PAULO–Autopsies have revealed fractures in the legs, hips and arms of Air France disaster victims, injuries that – along with the large pieces of wreckage pulled from the Atlantic – strongly suggest the plane broke up in the air, experts said Wednesday.

With more than 400 bits of debris recovered from the ocean's surface, the top French investigator expressed optimism about discovering what brought down Flight 447, but he also called the conditions – far from land in very deep waters – "one of the worst situations ever known in an accident investigation."

French investigators are beginning to form "an image that is progressively less fuzzy," Paul-Louis Arslanian, who runs the French air accident investigation agency BEA, told a news conference outside Paris.

"We are in a situation that is a bit more favourable than the first days," Arslanian said. "We can say there is a little less uncertainty, so there is a little more optimism. ... (but) it is premature for the time being to say what happened."

A spokesman for Brazilian medical examiners told The Associated Press on Wednesday that fractures were found in autopsies on an undisclosed number of the 50 bodies recovered so far. The official spoke on condition he not be named due to department rules.

"Typically, if you see intact bodies and multiple fractures – arm, leg, hip fractures – it's a good indicator of a midflight break up," said Frank Ciacco, a former forensic expert at the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "Especially if you're seeing large pieces of aircraft as well."

The pattern of fractures was first reported Wednesday by Brazil's O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, which cited unnamed investigators. The paper also reported that some victims were found with little or no clothing, and had no signs of burns.

That lack of clothing could be significant, said Jack Casey, an aviation safety consultant in Washington, D.C., who is a former accident investigator. "In an in-air break up like we are supposing here, the clothes are just torn away."

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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/652035


Difference between Brazilian and French assessments? If it plunged suddenly, intact, then cause is more likely pilot error or mechanical issue (French problem). If it broke up mid-air, then bombing can't be ruled out (security issue, so a Brazilian problem).
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Postby MinM » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:56 am

"Air France 447 did not break up in flight, but "went straight down, almost vertically,"

Air France plane crashed intact - report - CNN.com
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BN: CBC News Alerts - Air France plane plunged vertically into ocean: investigators.
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Postby smiths » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:06 pm

France's accident investigation agency has opened an inquiry into an Air France flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris which ran into difficulties last month just miles from where another of its planes vanished in June with 228 people on board.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/de ... yday-alert

so, whats going around there ... bearing in mind that the Air France crash sequence was said to be very similar to a Qantas incident where they almost lost the plane just off the west australian coast right near ...

the most powerful transmission station in the Southern hemisphere, US naval communications station Harold E Holt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Comm ... ld_E._Holt

http://news.smh.com.au/national/40-inju ... -4vpy.html


for those that dont know, Prime Minister Harold E Holt went swimming one day and never came back
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby Gouda » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:53 am

Air France jet hits trouble near AF447 crash site

Paris, France (CNN) -- French investigators said they are looking into problems encountered by an Air France jet last month in nearly the same spot over the Atlantic where another Air France jet mysteriously crashed in June.

Air France flight 445 was flying from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Paris, France, the night of Nov. 29 when it encountered the problems, the French accident investigation agency, BEA, said in a news release this week.

It is the same route taken by Air France flight 447 when it went down in the Atlantic Ocean in stormy weather June 1, killing all 228 people aboard. The investigation agency has not established the cause of the crash, and large parts of the plane -- including both flight recorders -- have never been found.

"The analysis of what happened could lead to complementary explanations about the accident of flight AF 447," the investigation agency said.

Flight 445 encountered "severe turbulence" about four hours after takeoff on Nov. 29, forcing the pilots to descend, Air France said in a statement after the flight.

The crew sent out an emergency radio message to indicate it had left its flight level, Air France said.

The flight, with 215 people aboard, "continued normally" after half an hour of moderate to severe turbulence, the airline said.

Air France declined to comment on the investigation agency's statement this week.

The BEA said the November flight was an Airbus A330-203, the same model involved in the June crash, but Air France said the November incident involved an Airbus A330-200.

While French authorities have not yet determined what caused the June crash, tests have brought into question the performance of pitot tubes, which are used to measure the pressure exerted on the plane as it flies through the air, and are part of a system used to determine air speed.

Flight 447 sent out 24 automated error messages before it crashed that suggested the plane may have been flying too fast or too slow through the thunderstorms, officials have said.

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) issued a directive in late August requiring airlines to replace pitot tubes manufactured by Thales Avionics on Airbus A330s and A340s. It said airlines should replace them with other Thales tubes and those manufactured by Goodrich.
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Postby Blue » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:29 am

Could the South Atlantic Anomaly cause these crashes?

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/961004.html

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The South Atlantic Anomaly is of great significance to astronomical satellites and other spacecraft that orbit the Earth at several hundred kilometers altitude; these orbits take satellites through the anomaly periodically, exposing them to several minutes of strong radiation, caused by the trapped protons in the inner Van Allen belt, each time. The International Space Station, orbiting with an inclination of 51.6°, requires extra shielding to deal with this problem. The Hubble Space Telescope does not take observations while passing through the SAA.[3] Astronauts are also affected by this region which is said to be the cause of peculiar 'shooting stars' seen in the visual field of astronauts.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly
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Debris from downed 2009 Air France jet found

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