Jani's at the mercy of her mind

[§ê¢rꆧ]

The fact that this girl has had the millstone of being "different", "sick" (in the head), and "schizophrenic" drilled into her by everyone is appalling to me.

While it's true that her development hasn't been normal, I don't agree with her present diagnosis. That's not very rigorous, but it's my intuition.

I'm with you a hundred percent. I watched the video and felt awful for January. I could relate and empathize. I had imaginary friends and behavior problems and irregular circadian rhythms. If my parents had responded differently, perhaps I wouldn't be the functioning maladusted headcase that I am, and I might really be a thorazine casualty (so sad).

There has to be more to the story here, for sure.

[Perelandra]

Interesting §ê¢rꆧ.

The more this spins around in my head, the more I think the sleep disorder is a key. My aforesaid niece has also been experiencing pretty bad insomnia.

[OP ED]

wrt: PET

I appreciate OE's point(s) but would point out that essentializing the authority of medical imaging further confounds the basic problem of prematurely assuming uni-directional cause and effect. PET scans are not at all definitive wrt bipolar/schizo disorders. I've read numerous positions in which imaging is argued to represent effect rather than cause. I know next to nothing about the specifics of this problem wrt serious mental illness but know that with ADD, PTSD and depression this has sometimes been convincingly proved to be the case.

you'll have to explain to me, or link me to someone who can, how imaging can represent a valid "cause" of bipolar and/or schizophrenic spectrum disorders. Personally, i find it highly unlikely on its face, for largely biological reasons.

I was suggesting rather that PETs do not diagnose a problem, but can effectively rule out some behavioral diagnoses, including the "american" type of schizophrenia [which is comparable to normal manias, including bipolar disorder] or else provide one with solid evidence whereby to suggest the next steps in the diagnostical processes. [usually medication or therapy depending on the results] Neuro imaging is certainly not perfect, but an inconclusive imaging result is better than not taking the time and effort to include one in the discussion. Sometimes the structural differences are more obvious, as they were when I saw my own MRI scans [which i still have] and could tell with no coaching from a doctor exactly what was abnormal in my own brain.

[they then prescribed medication that effectively dealt with the issue, which in my case was not psychosis but a literal hormonal imbalance which was further tested via my blood glucose levels in a technical manner whose exactitudes aren't relevant enough to digress into]

which is to say that the something we have is not perfect, and only the narcissistic among the professionals would ever suggest otherwise, but that it seems utterly shameful to me to not even attempt to check all the available boxes before such a severe [and rare, point] diagnosis is levelled at such a young child. it may well be that this testing was done and that i simply cannot find it online, medical privacy and all, but the article left it out if this is the case, and the psychiatric labelling used by the doctors interviewed leads me to believe this is not the case. [that this was a purely behavioral diagnosis for an illness which is not purely behavioral most of the time, and is therefore, likely grounds for malpractice suits, among other things]

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OP ED wrote:

January wrote:
Magical 61-the-Cat


reminded me of something. which is to say it is clearly recognizable twilight language [my POV] which has a very personal meaning for me, and has been used in a sentence by my Ouija board before.

Can you elaborate on that?

no.

[lightningBugout]

wrt: PET

I appreciate OE's point(s) but would point out that essentializing the authority of medical imaging further confounds the basic problem of prematurely assuming uni-directional cause and effect. PET scans are not at all definitive wrt bipolar/schizo disorders. I've read numerous positions in which imaging is argued to represent effect rather than cause. I know next to nothing about the specifics of this problem wrt serious mental illness but know that with ADD, PTSD and depression this has sometimes been convincingly proved to be the case.

you'll have to explain to me, or link me to someone who can, how imaging can represent a valid "cause" of bipolar and/or schizophrenic spectrum disorders. Personally, i find it highly unlikely on its face, for largely biological reasons.

I think we have crossed signals, if you have read my post as suggesting that a PET scan itself would cause illness. I am only pointing out that the prioritization of the image in general sometimes lends itself to the idea that that which is observed is necessarily causal or determinant rather than simply characteristic.

Try

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/155001.php

In the first study of its kind, the researchers used a novel form of brain imaging to discover that white matter in the brains of adolescents at risk of developing schizophrenia does not develop at the same rate as healthy people. Further, the extent of these alterations can be used to predict how badly patients will or will not deteriorate functionally over time.

with the point being that, for all I know, white matter might be responding to changes in behavior that are learned and trained, rather than being determinant of same behaviors.

IOW Its easy to "watch" as a monk enters a deep theta state he has disciplined himself to conjureYet his trance or deep meditation is not a clear expression of said brain waves.

it seems utterly shameful to me to not even attempt to check all the available boxes before such a severe [and rare, point] diagnosis is levelled at such a young child.

which, I assume you could see in my post, I am in total agreement with.

[Bridge It]

OP ED wrote:

Bridge It wrote:
OP ED wrote:

Quote:

January wrote:
Magical 61-the-Cat


reminded me of something. which is to say it is clearly recognizable twilight language [my POV] which has a very personal meaning for me, and has been used in a sentence by my Ouija board before.



Can you elaborate on that?


no.

you play with your "wee-gee" often. I play with mine all the time. In fact my "wee-gee" is a magical cat

[RomanyX]

[barracuda]

[justdrew]

someone could give us a brief analysis of the magical significance in various systems of the numbers I suppose. a quick think of gematria says 400 is tav, the last letter in the aleph bet, er, I mean alphabeta.

http://www.psyche.com/psyche/autiot/tav.html

[justdrew]

you play with your "wee-gee" often. I play with mine all the time. In fact my "wee-gee" is a magical cat

is it named Sammekh?

(not to side track the discussion, but I couldn't resist attempting the pun)

[compared2what?]

Calling people wounded narcissists is basically throwing steaks to angry lions. If they are narcissists you should be able to anticipate their anger and attempt at a spirited defense.

Doing so, if one assumes you can anticipate the response, suggests you are fueling the very fire you claim a distaste for.

Sorry, sweetheart. I didn't see this earlier, I had to post and run before.

I didn't mean that people here were wounded narcissists, or any kind of narcissists. "A narcissistic wound" is therapy-speak for, roughly....Hmm. It's more or less a way of referring to some aspect of the self that feels bewildered and unloved or sorta not-quite-whole. Just as the whole of the adult person to whom the self in question belongs once felt when he or she was just a sad, small child who didn't understand why his* parents were withdrawing their love. At least from his point of view. Typically in response to some action of the child's that seems natural to him. Hence the bewilderment.

I don't think it's a very formally defined term. In DSM terminology, a DSM-criteria-meeting narcissistic personality who feels hard done by has sustained "a narcissistic injury." Which IIRC, leads to "a narcissistic rage." Or some such not very helpful phraseology. And while I'm sure that the phrase "narcissistic wound" to mean "empty sadness or sad emptiness or something sort of like that, lingering, lingering in the psyche of the child who needed love he didn't get" also originated somewhere, I don't really know where. I've always thought of it as a kind of casual usage. About which I'm probably wrong.

Anyway. Just saying. Because, seriously. I really didn't mean that. And I'm terribly, terribly sorry that it felt as if I did.

*Please read "her" or "she" where appropriate. Because it would just be too herky-jerky to stumble through if I kept putting in the "or her''s and "or she"'s.

[lightningBugout]

I'm afraid I was too quick to read, and your posts are often more deliberate and crafted than, say, well, mine. If I'd slowed down I'd've picked up on the intended meaning of the term, which was actually perfectly empathetic.

Thanks for being so thoughtful c2w.

[OP ED]

I am only pointing out that the prioritization of the image in general sometimes lends itself to the idea that that which is observed is necessarily causal or determinant rather than simply characteristic.

of course. neuroplastics and all. i tend to think these things are often looped upon themselves. this is not a novel idea either.

i'm glad you clarified, because i was at a loss to comprehend your statement as originally understood by me.

you play with your "wee-gee" often.

almost every night.

it tells me things. sometimes even things about people here. but it is really off-topic and the specific things i had incidentally thought of are either much too personal for sharing or so remarkably obvious that i've either posted about them previously or assumed i did not need to.

[lightningBugout]

it tells me things. sometimes even things about people here.

That is awesome. Please try to share if you learn anything about Hugh Manatee K Dick.

[OP ED]

it says to tell him that keyword hijacking became an NSA program in the late nineteen-eighties and that he is therefore technically incorrect for blaming it on the CIA.

[lightningBugout]

I don't use LOL. If I did, it'd be a genuine report on what just happened to me.