What is the nature of the Saucer menace?

[Penguin]

I can see why we are so enslaved by our own predilections and why other sentient creatures might enjoy tearing off our flesh while eating us alive, just as we do to plants. They are probably just as oblivious to our anguish during the process as we are to hearing the protests of the plants and animals, as we tear of their flesh, commenting on how delicious it may be while we devour them and their born and unborn offspring.

Why else would trees produce so may fruits and plants so many seeds, but if not for a reaction to our and other creatures desire to eat them?

Why would we expect to be treated any differently by creatures suspected to be so far beyond our comprehension?

....

Enjoy your fresh-picked leaf lettuce and fruit salad. Did you even ask them for their permission? Or thank them for their sacrifice?

We should expect to be treated no differently by sentient alien creatures we comprehend less than we do of plants, should they come knocking at your door.

Indeed.

Also, Ive mentioned this before but heres the link as it seems to fit in to this discussion pretty well.
http://crfdl.org:1111/xmlui/bitstream/h ... sequence=1 "Ayahuasca Visions by Pablo Amaringo"

[8bitagent]

As much as I would love to believe this all to be a hoax, I absolutely believe the Mothman events, Westall 1966 Australia and the Ruwa school event of 1994
to be real documented events. Same with the Brazil and Canada incidents of 1996. The idea that every UFO sighting is "government black budget craft" to me is ludicrous and a way for some to make the world make more sense. We already live in a world where Ugandan children are forced to rape and murder whole families...why,adding trans-dimensional creatures to the mix...thats just too much for one human mind to take!

My guess is that a lot of this UFO stuff is meant specifically for those who happen to see it. Perhaps trickster in nature, despite often having a physical form at times. Its pretty clear by now that there is no "bigfoot", yet such creatures may in fact seem to manifest to people in even a physical form at times...for those meant to see. Like the faeries in the UK. Must be a reason Icelandic people are so serious about their little people sightings. So perhaps then too, these UFO sightings are meant to be a personal strip tease.

Several key events, like the 1952 buzz over the Capitol in DC, the "Battle of LA" in 1942, the Phoenix Lights event of 1997 definitely seems right out of science fiction. And I know people will use the War of the Worlds psyop broadcast as "proof its government psyops".

However, could there be...an occult connection? Whatever the Roswell event *was*, the fact it landed on the 33.3 degree parallel is quite...curious. My take is that whatever it was, it was intentional and esoteric in nature. And possibly even a psychic trojan horse into the military industrial complex.

The different type of anomalous craft and situations in the sky over the decades becomes increasingly bizarre.
We have the ancient Indian culture that clearly describes and even illustrates flying saucers and beings. However a century ago it was "phantom airships" and soon after "foo fighters". Hell I think even the Nazis witnessed bizarre activity in the sky when visiting Tibet.

The strangest to me are the shape shifting/folding into itself type of craft, *and* the giant white sky serpents that release hundreds of orbs. Both seem to appear in a lot of day time footage around the world, it seems to be more modern a phenomenon...yet its a topic not brought up a lot in UFO circles.

Then the four alien "races"...

The short "Greys" with big eyes
The tall beige ones with big eyes(as seen in the Communion film)
The bearded dwarve types
and the Mantis/Insectoid ones

One has to wonder, is there some sort of real life interdimentional Tatooine cantina bar or hangout where these guys share a few beers with Mothman, gnomes, faeries and bigfoot?

Also, it seems fairly obvious that the "trick" with this stuff is that it manifests in a sneaky sly way to avoid being modern day front page news, and eliciting a "gotcha!" 100% proofed aspect.
...always to leave that element of doubt. For those with eyes to see, and minds to believe.

Ive read even people who boast of making crop circle fakes saying they saw orb activity in their creations. So who knows. Ley lines? Global consciousness? The future reverberating back?

By the way, anyone seen that footage of what appears to be a white orb like object hovering around the South Tower, and then Flight 175 smashes into right where it was, only for the orb to float off? Some claim its a bird, but it seems the bird would have been blown to smithereens.

Anyways, I wouldnt be surprised if someday there really is a major no joke about it UFO event out of left field, something out of Signs. Nothing surprises me in the news anymore

[elfismiles]

For those contemplating the Entheogen/Alien connection I offer these old articles by a then-best-friend:

OFF TO SEE THE ELVES
Prelude and Trips One, Two and Three
by: Mr. Baggins
http://www.elfis.net/elfol5/e5offelf1.html
http://www.elfis.net/elfol6/e6offelf2.htm
http://www.elfis.net/elfol6/e6offelf3.htm

And his nihilistic anti-reptoid followup...

Mr. Baggins: Do We Really Want "The Truth"?
http://www.elfis.net/rd/rd9/bagg.htm

[Luther Blissett]

It is, though, entirely possible that a parallel society of persons or creatures embodying these traits co-exists with us here without our knowledge of them, and has for many eons.

That's why I believe these craft are piloted by Bigfoot.

(kidding)

There are plenty of tales that meld the bigfoot phenomena with lights in the sky and craft on the ground. Especially in the 70's.
Would explain the lack of a fossils / remains.

[Penguin]

For those contemplating the Entheogen/Alien connection I offer these old articles by a then-best-friend:

OFF TO SEE THE ELVES
Prelude and Trips One, Two and Three
by: Mr. Baggins
http://www.elfis.net/elfol5/e5offelf1.html
http://www.elfis.net/elfol6/e6offelf2.htm
http://www.elfis.net/elfol6/e6offelf3.htm

And his nihilistic anti-reptoid followup...

Mr. Baggins: Do We Really Want "The Truth"?
http://www.elfis.net/rd/rd9/bagg.htm

Thanks man, started reading the first part.
Edit: Hah, such an adventure!

[tazmic]

I can see why we are so enslaved by our own predilections and why other sentient creatures might enjoy tearing off our flesh while eating us alive, just as we do to plants. They are probably just as oblivious to our anguish during the process as we are to hearing the protests of the plants and animals, as we tear of their flesh, commenting on how delicious it may be while we devour them and their born and unborn offspring.

Why else would trees produce so may fruits and plants so many seeds, but if not for a reaction to our and other creatures desire to eat them?

I think it may have something to do with reproduction...

[Iamwhomiam]

Taz wrote:

I think it may have something to do with reproduction...

In part, of course. But why create hundreds, thousands or millions of offspring that could not possible survive, why not just half a dozen or so or less, to assure survivability of their species?

[Penguin]

Everything eats something.

[Simulist]

Everything eats something.

I just came from the Lady Gaga thread. I think I'm going to be ill.

[Stephen Morgan]

Somewhere someone said if we met aliens they might be wondering about the you-foes just like we are. I agree with that.

A remote possibility but unlikely as we, given our current ecological path, don't have much "time". "Time is running out - Now do you understand?"

"There is always more time." But nobody listen to poor Zathrus.

To much pre-MK history to be seriously considered. This idea also lends itself more to modern day Abduction stories than to the UFO phenomenon in general.

For those of use who've looked into the centuries old history of secret societies, transgressive morality and cannibal aristocrats there's no reason to believe MK began with the MK-Ultra, any more than you-foes (the original pronunciation) first arrived in 1947 when they started spilling their droppings on Fred Crisman's mate's boat.

Elves or other blue-and-orange morality non/semi-corporeal beings.

There is really no good reason that these shouldn't be synonymous with N&B's alien craft/entities. Simply interpreted within the scope of the times at which they were observed.

On the other hand there's no reason to believe they're space ships beyond our own cultural references. Once we interpreted them as elves, now as space men. Neither seems more likely to be true to me. Any magic, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from science. As any fule know.

Earth lights, geomagnetic doo-dahs, ball lighting, plasma vortexes, etc.

Ah yes, the old swamp gas explanation. If you voted for this, you don't belong here.

I don't buy it, but EMF can be created by seimic activity and can have hella effect upon human brain-stuff.

If you're willing to concede to the possibility that life exist elsewhere, and then concede that it's evolutionary path is unknown to us, then the ideas above can easily fit under the influence of the Magic of Advanced Technologies that we might have yet to imagine. And -if-, through this Magic, they can manipulate space/time and your mind, then all of the above can be made ti fit neatly into a lager holistic view. Because it can't be "Elves/Fairies" -AND- "Demons/Angels" -AND- "Hyper/Ultra Dimensional's" -AND "Cryptoterrestrials" -AND- "Aliens" -AND- etc, etc.

Can it?

~C

Life out there started here. That's my view.

I see elfis has www.elfis.net; I wonder if he has heard of the great Welsh singer Elfys Presselleu?

[8bitagent]

I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI

Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.

[Stephen Morgan]

I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI

Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.

Is it Cash Landrum?

[KeenInsight]

I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI

Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.

There is an episode covered in Unsolved Mysteries about that family that sustained severe radiation exposure after witnessing a UFO, pointblank, while it hovered over the road they were driving on. You can find it in the Unsolved Mysteries UFO Files link I posted several posts up.

After it flew off, it was followed by twin rotor helicopters according to the women (from the description, probably Boeing CH-47 Chinooks). It left a dark circle on the road after the incident, but a few weeks later, unknown individuals cut the large asphalt away, put it onto a semi, and put down new asphalt. A MUFON investigator, an older guy (who was in the same UM episode), and I forget his name, saw the area on the road where the UFO had hovered over before it was replaced with new asphalt.

Their exposure is somewhat like the case of Stephen Michalak, in 1967, known as the "The Falcon Lake Landing." In both cases, doctors confirmed that the victims had been subjected to extreme amounts of radiation.

[Nordic]

I dont know what program this is from, but I recently saw this documentary piece on these two women that recieved severe trauma and injuries from a UFO encounter in 1980 in Dayton Ohio. One of the women lost her business, got cancer and nearly died from her injuries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yh5YkmPFI

Is this a clear case of a government UFO, given the injuries? Though I have read of other severe injuries and even deaths resulting from UFO encounters.

There is an episode covered in Unsolved Mysteries about that family that sustained severe radiation exposure after witnessing a UFO, pointblank, while it hovered over the road they were driving on. You can find it in the Unsolved Mysteries UFO Files link I posted several posts up.

After it flew off, it was followed by twin rotor helicopters according to the women (from the description, probably Boeing CH-47 Chinooks). It left a dark circle on the road after the incident, but a few weeks later, unknown individuals cut the large asphalt away, put it onto a semi, and put down new asphalt. A MUFON investigator, an older guy (who was in the same UM episode), and I forget his name, saw the area on the road where the UFO had hovered over before it was replaced with new asphalt.

Their exposure is somewhat like the case of Stephen Michalak, in 1967, known as the "The Falcon Lake Landing." In both cases, doctors confirmed that the victims had been subjected to extreme amounts of radiation.

Now, when I see a story like that, I think "military project". Imagine you'd never heard of UFO,s nobody had ever seen them before, and this story hit. Knowing what we know about the military, and all the crap they do, one would just assume that this is was military in origin. In fact, there's no reason to think that this particular incident is anything but military.

IMHO.

[ShinShinKid]

I think it is surely a mix, the government is to keen on blameless crime for them not to hitch their wagon to the UFO star...

Of course, I know what I saw. I have posted about it before. Large, for lack of a better term, chrome, or electrum covered pyramid floating straight up. I was not the only witness, I made sure of that.

I think the phenomena is wrapped up by many different factors, other worldly; other dimensionally, indigenous life energy obviously expressing itself to man. I've had a friend that talked to some mushrooms while he was overdoing them...they appeared in his kitchen, right around him. He said he could feel their physical presence. They told him not to come back here, or they would kill him. He said he could smell their breath, hear them plain as day...he swore it was not a hallucination, at least not in a sense he'd ever had. It was like a bunch of burly dudes in mushroom suits showed up and were going to kick his ass. I laugh about it, not being partial to overdoing such substances.

I've had interaction in a mantid castle while under the influence of fungus...so I don't doubt a mantis energy that is very powerful on this earth.

So, many different visitors, from other worlds, dimensions, and hidden places, right here on earth.