suss website

[82_28]

jeremypsyops sure has been busy the last two months and only these last two or three months. He has comments and threads in everything from boingboing to uncommonforum to psychology-forum to politicalchat.org etc etc. . .

He also only seems to stick to one thread and/or one comment only. He does not seem interested in becoming a member of any of the forums one can find him at either. He's engaged in some kind of a low profile, drive-by spam campaign -- that much is certain.

[Wombaticus Rex]

He also only seems to stick to one thread and/or one comment only. He does not seem interested in becoming a member of any of the forums one can find him at either. He's engaged in some kind of a low profile, drive-by spam campaign -- that much is certain.

Yeah, completely certain.

[82_28]

He also only seems to stick to one thread and/or one comment only. He does not seem interested in becoming a member of any of the forums one can find him at either. He's engaged in some kind of a low profile, drive-by spam campaign -- that much is certain.

Yeah, completely certain.

Dude, I've thumbed through all the jeremypsyops hits I can find. What was wrong with the second sentence in the above paragraph? It's spam for his site period -- you've been around the block a few times, wombat. What is he doing other than garnering hits for his site and not exhibiting any interest in joining the various communities other than to drive traffic his way? He is not interested in what others have to say, he's looking for hits. Am I missing something? How many other threads did he contribute to here? On the other forums and boards you can find, did he weigh in on anything other than what he drove by to toss out there? If he has, I certainly missed it. What's so difficult to understand about the "suss-iness" about the whole charade?

Maybe it's not a charade and he truly is sharing information the good people of Earth need to hear. I have already made it clear how I feel about, that even if he is legit, his campaign is irresponsible and his proofs are indistinguishable from the symptoms of schizophrenia and those predisposed to paranoia.

So yes, I am certain that all the hits one can can glean from a google search of "jeremypsyops" show that he is funneling traffic to areyoutargeted and that really is the long and the short of it. Show me now where he has contributed to any other subject than areyoutargeted and how to tell if you're schizophrenic.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I was just struck by how many of our online careers could be succinctly summed up as "some kind of a low profile, drive-by spam campaign."

[commenting]

Hi,

An into I guess - I've been reading the board for nearly 10 years. I've spoken with Jeff, years ago, about semi-personal, non-site topics. I usually read the board for a few months, then take a few months off, otherwise I start to feel...well, I'm not sure how to describe it. The best way might be to say I take, "unintentional, random, yet welcome" breaks?

I skim more than go in depth, i.e. "shit, I have so much work, and my kid has homework tonight, and I don't need to be thinking about X right now..." Over the past year or so, I've noticed Wombat more than anyone else, or, I've often found myself appreciating the info he provides, or his perspective, etc.

Which is why I guess I'm finally posting. Jeremy seems odd, and I'm not sure what you (Wombat) sees that I don't. I'm a web guy slash wanna-be, "some day established, yes...yes, I'm certain!" writer. Because Jeremy struck me as odd, I used sites/resources I'm familiar with from my job to find out more (first time I can remember that I've done this).

What's mentioned above, "he's on some kind of spamming mission" is what I believed. Though at first I thought it even odder. For instance, he has a canned, copy & paste response at the ready any time someone mentions, "tin foil hat". In those instances, on many boards, he'll jump in and reply his rote response:

---
I have a problem with your use of the term, "tin foil hat".Everyone knows that only a steel V2K Cap will protect against mind control weaponry.
http://www.backtype.com/url/areyoutargeted.com?page=4
---

Anyone that knows about SEO (and Jeremy knows a lot, and has written a bit about it) knows of this method.

I shouldn't have made this my first post, I'm really tired, however if I don't post now I never will, so oh well. Anyway...here's a few other things I find odd (there are others, but I'll see if I have the motivation to post tomorrow):

- if he's dedicated to the issue of people being targeted, do you think that he wouldn't know about this site, long ago? I mean, it's pretty well known by now, he'd have come across it previously, no? From his last response, he sure intimates this is the first time he's "stumbled" across here, no?

- if he's dedicated to his issue, and finds this site, which covers such topics in depth; in which people are speaking of/to him directly, he's not going to "stick around" because of the comments of 1 or 2 commenter's? As a guy who is obviously very familiar with the web, and of the forums that cover this topic (based on his many postings), kind of weird, no?

- knowing how complex such an issue is, and what the "normal public" thinks of such things, he sure offers some odd advice. On his "fighting back" page, he writes:

"But it does appear that your handlers are hiding behind the skirts of a very well-funded agency which operates freely within the borders of your and neighboring countries. In the United States, one such agency would be the CIA."

so, a person who believes they're being targeted might...just might want to mention this agency, wait, whats it called...oh, right, the "CIA"? So when I feel I'm being followed (as his readership does), I should say something like, "its probably an organization called the CIA! Have you heard of it? They might even have...BLACK HELICOPTERS! WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE ME!!!"

- finally, the billboard. Doesn't seem weird to you at all? The guy running cryptogon.com posts donations, the highest amount was maybe $700 one month? He ranks 36k in terms of U.S. traffic (alexa). Areyoutargeted.com ranks 250k (how much of that is from the recent billboard?), and yet people are paying to have a billboard put up pointing people to his site. Why his site? The sign itself, why use those well known, cliche "evil" cartoon eyes? Then, this newish site, run by a guy ostensibly making no money from it (yet working VERY hard to establish and promote it) posts something like this:

"The billboard wasn't my doing, but I think it's a great idea. Peter Rosenholm is collecting funds to continue running the billboard. For details, see the comments section."

Huh, really. Like, "Sure, ok, anyone else want to contribute to this, I mean, no big and all, its just a billboard in a major city I didn't have much a hand in, but yeah, if you think its helping lets gather funds and keep it going."

- people here, many of whom might turn into readers of his site, have questions. He brushes them off and leaves? With this topic, wouldn't he above all know that there are suspicions with a subject like this, i.e. "no offense, I totally understand. Let me explain..."

- Finally, he has evidence, taped evidence and yet he'll just drop that on us and take off? Despite multiple people asking for it?

You're still my favorite Wombat, but I'm having a really difficult time trying to figure out your approach on this. Any further explanations much appreciated.

BTW, just want to note, I have a very "normal" life, no major mental scars, no need for "help" motivates my coming here, I'm not being "followed", I just feel that there's a lot about this world/life we don't understand so certain topics on this site/board interest me.

ok, just my thoughts.

[IanEye]

- finally, the billboard. Doesn't seem weird to you at all? The guy running cryptogon.com posts donations, the highest amount was maybe $700 one month? He ranks 36k in terms of U.S. traffic (alexa). Areyoutargeted.com ranks 250k (how much of that is from the recent billboard?), and yet people are paying to have a billboard put up pointing people to his site. Why his site? The sign itself, why use those well known, cliche "evil" cartoon eyes? Then, this newish site, run by a guy ostensibly making no money from it (yet working VERY hard to establish and promote it) posts something like this:

"The billboard wasn't my doing, but I think it's a great idea. Peter Rosenholm is collecting funds to continue running the billboard. For details, see the comments section."

Huh, really. Like, "Sure, ok, anyone else want to contribute to this, I mean, no big and all, its just a billboard in a major city I didn't have much a hand in, but yeah, if you think its helping lets gather funds and keep it going."

Whoever made that billboard had the same kite I had as a child.



Don't fuck with Gayla Industries.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well, the biggest point I want to make upfront is that the character in question did sit down and put up with several pages of interrogation -- right here in this thread. However, I'm not defending this jeremy character so much as increasingly wary of our collective rush to sentence the guilty here. I'm not saying that's anything new...in fact it's probably a defining characteristic of this forum, really...I'm just increasingly aware of it.

We have a lot of pejorative terms for it, but this guy is principally involved in promoting a website and that's the case we've built against him here. I also think there's an even 50/50 chance his real name is Peter Rosenholm, given the behavioral profile you capably laid out already.

But really, this thread is incidental to my problem. My enemy is your certainty, our certainty, the unthinking ease with which we pass judgement on human beings based on words on screens, based on dots connected by lines we just drew ourselves. I will continue to act as a counterbalance to that in the future, because it increasingly bothers me when I see it here.

Probably the biggest reason I come here is to get my own certainties skewered and punctured by the strong minds here. Maybe this wasn't the best test case, but I also suspect that the reason Jeremy isn't here answering this questions himself is because of us, just us.

[nathan28]

Well, the biggest point I want to make upfront is that the character in question did sit down and put up with several pages of interrogation -- right here in this thread. However, I'm not defending this jeremy character so much as increasingly wary of our collective rush to sentence the guilty here. I'm not saying that's anything new...in fact it's probably a defining characteristic of this forum, really...I'm just increasingly aware of it.

We have a lot of pejorative terms for it, but this guy is principally involved in promoting a website and that's the case we've built against him here. I also think there's an even 50/50 chance his real name is Peter Rosenholm, given the behavioral profile you capably laid out already.

But really, this thread is incidental to my problem. My enemy is your certainty, our certainty, the unthinking ease with which we pass judgement on human beings based on words on screens, based on dots connected by lines we just drew ourselves. I will continue to act as a counterbalance to that in the future, because it increasingly bothers me when I see it here.

Probably the biggest reason I come here is to get my own certainties skewered and punctured by the strong minds here. Maybe this wasn't the best test case, but I also suspect that the reason Jeremy isn't here answering this questions himself is because of us, just us.

There's a couple things going on in the thread here.

First, Not to get all meta, but the same handle and the prior one appear at a couple different locations and were as unwelcome there. Maybe the dude is just a pariah. But I'm pretty aware of the collective suspicion here, and to be fair it's not unfounded. I'm not a lawyer but in at least one instance something bordering on libel or slander took place over those words on a screen here.

Second As far as website spam and if it's legit, that's a little different. It's one thing if you can contribute to, well, anything, while running an SEO campaign, it's another if you're just like "HAI GUIZ CHEK OUT MAH WEBSIGHT". Not that jeremypsyops did that. I mean if you (Wombat) spammed sites for page impressions for your sites, I think that'd be a good thing. IMO the OP site is really freaking boring and I voiced some issues...

Which brings me to the third point. But to get back on-topic I think there was some pretty legit questioning alongside some less above-board stuff. FWIW I'm wary of the "TI" thing. The OP site says in no uncertain terms that TIs display symptoms identical to classic schizophrenia, and then incorporates it into a classic paranoid delusions-of-grandeur and delusions-of-reference framework. All those things really exist. I know at least one person with a severe case of them, and yes, I've been in the freaking room when he started to hear something talking to him. So the big question is--how the hell do you diagnosis it? Worse, apparently TI also shares total overlap with MPD/DID, which has been a legit diagnosis for about thirty years (if contested). Again, how... can... you... know?

I hate to sound like the internet goon I really am, but this is really a "Pics or it didn't happen" thing. Personally I tend to lean towards C2W's concerns, which are that the TI thing looks a lot like a virulent strain of anti-psychiatry meeting with a paranoid pseudopolitical framework.

Lastly, I'm still frustrated by the term "Phoenix", which I do consider to be pretty suspect and an attempt to gain cachet through linking a questionable thing (the existence of a nationwide, or international, program of "electronic harassment" of people who have almost no reason for being targeted) with something actual (the Vietnam terror campaign). This is not, however, the first time that Phoenix has been invoked in such a way. Dave McGowan does that at the end of Programmed to Kill, and some of the old "Prophecy Club" VHS-to-.flv you can find do that as well.

I'm also a little surprised the OP site doesn't include instructions on building a Faraday or Tesla cage.

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^It sort of does, actually....treelaw45's flickr photostream was primarily pics of some basement "EM proof room" project.

Really, my whole beef comes down to the use of a single word in a single post in this thread: certainty. To be clear, I appreciate the fact this is not an open forum providing equal footing to all the poison that gets pumped into our weird little well. I don't want orgone activists here, even though I'm sympathetic to their martyred swami.

It's probably my inner hippie at work. Looking back over the last 4 pages, I find myself a little closer towards being able to state what's been bothering me here and in many other threads:

1. Let's stop the pigpiles and learn to be spectators. I am probably more guilty than anyone, so I'll just address myself here. Jesus Price, dude, why can't you just hang back and let a discussion happen? Why do you think your meta-commentary matters? When 2 people are trying to work some shit out, let them. I know we all know what I mean, though: let's have less single posts that would work out to be 4 printed pages, with sentence-by-sentence breakdowns of other people's posts. Let's have less lawyers on the f'ing courtroom floor during depositions, too. I think a little more restraint would lead to a lot more Illumination here.

2. Let's have conversations instead of a symphony of monologues. I notice a lot of people who were most hostile towards Jeremy didn't even address him -- they talked about him. They made declarative statements instead of asking questions. To each their own, but the consequences of that approach affect all of us here.

So: two sides of the same coin, and basically my last word on the subject of My Behavior In This Thread. I appreciate being called out on it. In the spirit of Christmas, one more:

3. Let's pretend we're doing something bigger here. I know this is basically a support group for post-everything omnivore burnouts, veterans of the Meme Wars, etc. I know we're all far too cynical for mere activism. I don't want to see us getting organized, I don't want to see threads full of declarations of intent, because I don't want to watch whatever little bonfire my plea could start up dying out before February 2011, which it will. I only ask that we all chew it over and keep it on the backmost back burner of your beautiful brains. Any solution that emerges will have to emerge, to be informal and probably invisible, too.

But: think about it.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This board wants to squabble and explain themselves, not actually read sources and analyze them.

All I had to do was take the time to read the areyoubeingtargeted website to find the
steaming disinfo turds meant to discredit the
entire concept of targeting and other things.

[Wombaticus Rex]

All I had to do was take the time to read the areyoubeingtargeted website to find the steaming disinfo turds meant to discredit the entire concept of targeting and other things.

I know, right? I can't even imagine how hard it is for you to be here in the mud with us pigs, Hugh, but your courage is an inspiration to us all.

May we all aspire to your levels of certainty.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Aspire to a level of research to find many examples of tactics deployed as evidence, WR.

Remember the Collier brothers who exposed election fraud in their book, 'Votescam?'

The spooks put up a disinfo site in their name claiming to question if we went to the moon.
Classic identity-hijacking into W.O.O. to discredit.
So I'm not surprised to see nonsense under a username with "psyops" in it and a barely-even-sourced Pentagon citation deployed online. What took so long?

Even Jeff Wells was falsely cited as a reporter for the MI6 fake anti-semitic site, Truthseekers.co.uk
This tactic was also used by the bogus UFO-spewing EducateYourself site. They claimed real journos as allies who wouldn't touch that trash.

Look at the identity-hijacking of the Collier brothers below.
Note the garish videogame stylizing the spooks used in the 1990s, very dated.
The style of disinfo sites has gotten much more sophisticated to match need, just like psyops tv and movies.

http://www.thule.org/moon.html

Did America really go to the Moon. . .or were
taxpayers just taken for a ride?

This 2-hour report by James Collier, author of "VOTESCAM: The Stealing of America" includes new evidence videod in the Johnson Space Center in Houston -- and questions whether NASA was guilty of spending billions of taxpayer money -- to stage the greatest theatrical hoax of all time.

This video demands answers from the U.S. Government before we go to Mars.

1) Was the hatch between the Command Module & the Lunar
Module too small for the space-suited astronauts to pass
through no matter what contortions they could go through to try?

2) Did the front hatch of the Lunar Module open inward
making it impossible for the astronauts to exit the cramped LM?

3) Was there actually no NASA manual instructing the astronauts how to get out of the LM, leaving it up to each individual to figure that out for himself? (As told on camera to Collier by Frank Hughes, Chief of Astronaut Training at NASA)

4) Was the 10-foot Rover too long to fit into the 5-foot side of the LM?

Collier challenges NASA to disprove the above in a public demonstration to American taxpayers! This investigation and that of others, including investigator Bill Kaysing, who is now suing Astronaut James Lovell for slander (jury trial, Santa Cruz, Ca., Oct. 7th), cannot be ignored.

[nathan28]

This board wants to squabble and explain themselves, not actually read sources and analyze them.

All I had to do was take the time to read the areyoubeingtargeted website to find the
steaming disinfo turds meant to discredit the
entire concept of targeting and other things.

Gosh, Manatee, that's what I've said about a dozen times in the WikiLeaks threads. I'm sorry that your lengthy list of pre-Chomsky syntagmics research went to the bottom of my reading list, but, well, you gotta prioritize.

[crikkett]

Remember the Collier brothers who exposed election fraud in their book, 'Votescam?'

The spooks put up a disinfo site in their name claiming to question if we went to the moon.
Classic identity-hijacking into W.O.O. to discredit.
So I'm not surprised to see nonsense under a username with "psyops" in it and a barely-even-sourced Pentagon citation deployed online. What took so long?

Even Jeff Wells was falsely cited as a reporter for the MI6 fake anti-semitic site, Truthseekers.co.uk
This tactic was also used by the bogus UFO-spewing EducateYourself site. They claimed real journos as allies who wouldn't touch that trash.

Hi HMW, happy holidays! :hi:
Thanks for the interesting info.

[Wombaticus Rex]

What took so long?

Well, it probably relates to the fact that so much disinformation is pushed by true believers and useful idiots, not sophisticated and semantically trained DoD/CIA agents. If there was really a government hand behind the "suss website" in question there would be a lot more billboards, forum activity and media coverage. Maybe they're being farmed and product tested on the back burner for now....stay tooned, right?