UFO filmed over Jerusalem.

[brainpanhandler]

Like seeing the end credits on a good episode of the X-Files.

Oh, there's plenty more to talk about. Like the timing can't be coincidence. May be just amateur (not altering the image before using it as a background) hoaxstering in a volatile eschatalogical/political context or maybe not.

We know what you know woo would say.

[ShrikeHammer]

So just quickly following the excellent discussion at work...are all three videos a hoax? Sorry for being daft - just want to be clear!

[barracuda]

Good question - I don't know what the relationship is between the first two and the third.

[ShrikeHammer]

Yeah - it seems to me that the third video seemed off given the fact that the flash wasn't present. Which leaves us with two questions:

1. What to make of the first two videos? Which seem qualitatively different?; and

2. Why the fake third video? Kicks? Disinformation? &c

[ShrikeHammer]

I am trying to track down an active web or traffic cam for this that might show something...do we have a time for this "event"?

[barracuda]

Allegedly 0100 hours, 28 January.

[Saurian Tail]

Yeah - it seems to me that the third video seemed off given the fact that the flash wasn't present. Which leaves us with two questions:

1. What to make of the first two videos? Which seem qualitatively different?&c

The first two videos seem entirely consistent with other "ball lightning" type recordings. Is "ball lightning" a natural plasma type event or something else?

2. Why the fake third video? Kicks? Disinformation?

The third one seems like someone just posting it for kicks. The whole ball lightning situation seems really quite common ... not sure why a disinformation campaign would be undertaken. Especially one so thrown together like this one.

-ST

[psynapz]

not sure why a disinformation campaign would be undertaken. Especially one so thrown together like this one.

The fake osama tapes look pretty thrown together too.

Maybe there's some entity with a mandate to automatically discredit any sighting video over a certain quality threshold, as part of a long-term phase of a very long-term disclosure-inoculation agenda.

[Nordic]

Well if you look at that video of ball lightning, you see similar instances of such things.

And there's one with a flash, just like the one in the vids.

OK, apologies, Nordic, I've now watched the whole thing. But are they absolutely sure that all of those films show "ball lightning"? That seems to me to be begging the question, i.e., they're assuming the truth of the proposition they purport to be proving.

"That's ball lightning!"

"Are you sure?"

"Of course! Any unexplained globular lights in the sky must be ball lightning!"

Circular reasoning.

Besides, what is ball lightning, exactly? As far as I'm aware (and I may well be underinformed) the phenomenon is as yet very far from being fully explained or understood.

Well, YES, of course!

Some of the most amazing UFO's I've ever seen videotape of are, apparently and according to this video, nothing more than "ball lightning".

But maybe that's all they are. Those incredible flying balls above Mexico City that thousands of people saw, that organized themselves into perfectly lined up constellations? Ball lightning.

Maybe that's all there is to many UFO sightings. Hell if I know.

[Metric Pringle]

Sorry if this may have been covered, have skimmed the thread... but this is my guess as to how they made it.

I would say the third video is definitely fake. As pointed out, there is is no lens flare from the light... It also looks like they have added the hand held movement afterward, but then looking again, it does look like a still image, re-filmed on a tv screen... when they zoom in, you can see the interlace lines.
So perhaps they have added the light orb in after effects, using a still image as the background... this would bypass having to motion track the hand held video... then, they have re-played through a television, and hand held filmed the TV screen, zooming in on that itself, making it look like shitty amateur video. The "oh look, a UFO" and the general laissez-faire attitude to having just seen a bizzarre glowing orb descend down, stop, hover, and then go up again, is what gives it away.


EDIT:

Skimmed to the point my comment is pointless and has been covered. Ignore!

[nathan28]

To help out my handlers at the CIA-Mossad World Bank Reptilian Authority Council with perception management:

I usually ignore YouTube clips, so on the first page of this thread I watched the third clip, "in Mississippi", first after I got to the bottom of the page, scrolling up. I then watched the second, then first clip. The result was that I assumed the story was bullshit--really, it was the "in Mississippi" part that got me, I felt offended... why not just play the banjo clip from Deliverance?--even though the first clip seems kind of believable.

[brainpanhandler]

To help out my handlers at the CIA-Mossad World Bank Reptilian Authority Council with perception management:

I usually ignore YouTube clips, so on the first page of this thread I watched the third clip, "in Mississippi", first after I got to the bottom of the page, scrolling up. I then watched the second, then first clip. The result was that I assumed the story was bullshit--really, it was the "in Mississippi" part that got me, I felt offended... why not just play the banjo clip from Deliverance?--even though the first clip seems kind of believable.

Call me gullible, but I found the mississippi part the most believable myself. The rest of the dialogue and acting was neither good nor bad. I mean how would people respond in such a situation? How would you? What would people say? What would you say?

If the makers had altered the background image substantially enough so that it was not a perfect match with the still found at Wikimedia we'd probably still be talking about this. The only dead give away was that the background was taken at precisely the same angle as the still from wikimedia. Up until that was clear nothing else was definitive.

I wanted to know if the starlike lens flares around the lights in the image should have been moving when the camera was moving as Nordic asserted but he never answered my question and no one else did either until it was clear the background was a still.

Nordic pretty much nailed the technical stuff right off the bat, which is not surprising as this is an area of expertise for him, which is why I queried him heavily. I never did get a response. Oh well.

I assume there are still many other blogs and forums going on and on about this as I write.

[Sepka]

I wanted to know if the starlike lens flares around the lights in the image should have been moving when the camera was moving as Nordic asserted but he never answered my question and no one else did either until it was clear the background was a still.

The stars should move as the camera tilts, yes. They should maintain a constant orientation to the camera, and move with regards to the scene. Those are either artifacts of an effects filter called a 'Crosstar' (or some generic version thereof), or else of a very high stopdown on the lens (unlikely when shooting video at night, possible for still work). http://www.digitalsecrets.net/ItsCanon/ideas.html discusses the concept briefly.

[crikkett]

Nordic pretty much nailed the technical stuff right off the bat, which is not surprising as this is an area of expertise for him, which is why I queried him heavily. I never did get a response. Oh well.

Don't take it personally, he probably had something to do...

[hava1]

Probably the nutjobs are planning a takeover of the Mount/Dome while the arabs are busy with mubarak...thats the only deep explanation I can come up with. Or, this fake UFO film is meant to carry just that threat...and i am being the useful idiot..

anyway, in 2000 jesus didnt show up, instead we received the devil incarnate (Sharon) in government. So, nothing interesting is coming from Jerusalem. Except of course, the end of this month, the official inauguration of the really nice trolly (kind of "Sky train"), in the JEwish parts of El Kuds (the Arabs get to watch, though, for free).