"Helicopterless" Norway & the Utøya massacre

[Nordic]

I think ......

[Nordic]

I shall stop annoying you .....

[Nordic]

Does the poster of an OP ......?

[Nordic]

..... actually own a thread?

[Burnt Hill]

My POV is not that there had to be some big conspiracy, but only that the cops fucked up and are lying through their teeth about it.

And anyone who goes to extreme lengths to justify the cops' indefensible delay simply to quell any suspicions about this event is pissing on the graves of the children who where brutally murdered during this delay, IMHO.

Well then your view could be stated in one post.

I also think you are misreading the intent of other posters on this thread.

If you start out at "the cops fucked up and are lying through their teeth about it" then what is the sense of going any further?
I understand that as an initial response. But that also leaves a lot unanswered.

But when you get to "pissing on the graves" - I dont know, that could easily be turned on to you and your insistance on placing blame on the cops.

[waugs]

My POV is not that there had to be some big conspiracy, but only that the cops fucked up and are lying through their teeth about it.

And anyone who goes to extreme lengths to justify the cops' indefensible delay simply to quell any suspicions about this event is pissing on the graves of the children who where brutally murdered during this delay, IMHO.

this is an overly dramatic statement (define "extreme lengths") and completely unfair. It seems to me that people are simply trying to arrive at the truth with the very little information out there. You, on the other hand, seem to have figured it all out and it is clearly the fault of the cops and their inability to get to a frickin' island quickly enough. and anyone who disagrees with you is an apologist for the cops.

[MacCruiskeen]

waugs, have you actually followed this thread from the start? Have you actually read the information posted here about the Readiness Troop's actual access to very numerous helicopters?

Please answer honestly, if at all. I am requesting - actually imploring - that this thread not go the way of the "Oslo" fiasco.

[barracuda]

Threads are open to all members.

Nordic, don't do that.

[waugs]

waugs, have you actually followed this thread from the start? Have you actually read the information posted here about the Readiness Troop's actual access to very numerous helicopters?

Please answer honestly, if at all. I am requesting - actually imploring - that this thread not go the way of the "Oslo" fiasco.

Nope. but that does not make his post any less dramatic and unfair.

again, people are not arriving at the same assumptions as him, and he is immediately labeling them as "cop apologists". That's BS.

[barracuda]

And anyone who goes to extreme lengths to justify the cops' indefensible delay simply to quell any suspicions about this event is pissing on the graves of the children who where brutally murdered during this delay, IMHO.

Stickdog, that kind of rhetoric is totally unacceptable here. This is a warning not to do it again.

[MacCruiskeen]

waugs, have you actually followed this thread from the start? Have you actually read the information posted here about the Readiness Troop's actual access to very numerous helicopters?

Please answer honestly, if at all. I am requesting - actually imploring - that this thread not go the way of the "Oslo" fiasco.

Nope.

Enough said. You admit you know nothing about the evidence posted here, and that you care nothing about the topic of this thread, yet you still, like a tomcat, feel compelled to leave your mark. And you have now done so. Congratulations. Everyone noticed.

- Back on topic, if humanly possible.

(It would be great if an impartial moderator would administer this thread fairly before it becomes another shameful timewasting fiasco, like the now 72-page "Huge explosion in Oslo".)

[vanlose kid]

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(It would be great if an impartial moderator would administer this thread fairly before it becomes another shameful timewasting fiasco, like the now 72-page "Huge explosion in Oslo".)

Mac, it would be equally great if you could stop casting aspersions and toned down the rhetoric. something you actually fault barracuda for.

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[waugs]

waugs, have you actually followed this thread from the start? Have you actually read the information posted here about the Readiness Troop's actual access to very numerous helicopters?

Please answer honestly, if at all. I am requesting - actually imploring - that this thread not go the way of the "Oslo" fiasco.

Nope.

Enough said. You admit you know nothing about the evidence posted here, and that you care nothing about the topic of this thread, yet you still, like a tomcat, feel compelled to leave your mark. And you have now done so. Congratulations. Everyone noticed.

- Back on topic, if humanly possible.

(It would be great if there were an impartial moderator around to administer this thread fairly before it becomes yet another fiasco.)

This is totally uncalled for and I find it extremely rude that you're addressing me this way.

I'm glad that you know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject and can only enlighten the rest of us.

and what would make this thread a non-fiasco? When everyone agrees with you?

F-ing unbelievable the childishness around here sometimes. No wonder I hardly ever post.

[barracuda]

The published text message article said that the girl told her mom about the ongoing shooting at 17:10.

When I asked if you had a source, I was asking for a link. Do you have one?

Let's give her one minute further to get through to 911. So subtract 4 minutes throughout if you wish. I'm pretty sure that the police were informed multiple times within this 4 minutes (twitter accounts were), but I'll give you these 4 minutes. They make no difference to anything I have said.

The earliest timeline for police notification I've seen is the Guardian Live feed 22/07/2011, which says 17:16. I'll split the difference with you, and say the first calls went out at 17:13 or 14, while the timeline say the local police were informed within 13 minutes of that. So why the discrepancy? I don't know. Either the police are lying, and actually knew by at least 17:16, or the timelines are incorrect. Judging by the fact that I've now seen several irreconcilable timelines, I feel it could go either way, the cops or the reportage.

(It would be great if an impartial moderator would administer this thread fairly before it becomes another shameful timewasting fiasco, like the now 72-page "Huge explosion in Oslo".)

I've flagged several posts here for Jeff to see, and I'll happily pm him that he ought to take a look at this thread.

[MacCruiskeen]

Thank you, barracuda. All is not lost, or at least not yet.