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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:06 am

Here's a weird article, but it has some info that is quite interesting.

http://rt.com/usa/news/trayvon-zimmerma ... acist-902/

The Zimmerman phonogram: NBC edits phone call to portray Trayvon Martin’s killer as racist?


NBC appears to have edited an excerpt of a phone call made by Trayvon Martin’s killer to portray him as a racist. The edited George Zimmerman says he thinks Martin is ‘up to no good’ just because he was black – but that’s not what he really said.

On Tuesday, NBC’s Today Show hosted by Ron Allen ran a segment of a phone conversation Zimmerman had with police shortly before killing Martin, as reported by Fox’s Hannity Show. NBC’s version of the phone call allegedly had Zimmerman say the following about Martin: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

But in reality the two sentences were separated by a question the 911 dispatcher asked. The original phone call transcript ran like this:

Zimmerman: "We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about."

911 Dispatcher: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

If one compares the NBC version with the original transcript, it appears the channel jettisoned Zimmerman’s real explanation on why he thought Martin looked suspicious, and also got rid of the dispatcher’s question.



Now here's where it gets a little weird:

There is other evidence to show that the media is trying to portray this case as an archetypical hero-and-villain battle. The photos of Martin and Zimmerman that the media uses are actually dated and create a wrong impression of how both men looked at the time of their encounter. Martin’s picture, in which he appears to be an innocuous-looking smiling teenager, was taken several years ago. At the time of his death, Martin was a 6-foot tall teen with gold teeth who had been suspended from his school for carrying marijuana.

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Zimmerman is also not the sturdy-looking man in an orange-colored jail uniform. That mugshot is seven years old, taken when Zimmerman was charged with assaulting an officer, though that charge was dropped. In a much more recent photo, Zimmerman appears leaner and sports a tie and a suit.

Betsi Grabe, a professor at Indiana University-Bloomington who has studied the effects of news images on public opinion, said the media instinctively tries to assign a distinct victim and aggressor in its stories.
“At the center of most stories we tell in our society, cross-culturally and across the centuries, is the struggle between good and evil,” she noted. “If the ingredients are there, that is what journalists will grab onto and present.”

Martin was killed by Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida on February 26. Zimmerman, a community watch coordinator, followed Martin, who he says appeared suspicious. Zimmerman claims that he was attacked by Martin and was forced to shoot him in self defense. Police officers took Zimmerman to the police station but then let him go, saying they did not find evidence that contradicted his assertion of self defense.
Martin’s parents and lawyers contend that the murder was racially motivated, and blame the police for not arresting Zimmerman. The case gained national media attention in March. Martin’s supporters have held rallies in both Sanford and New York.

A number of big names including Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey have also commented on the case. Winfrey said it was a shame that police made no arrests, while Obama, mentioning that he had to be careful about what he said so as to not hamper the investigation, stated that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon.


So ..... Trayvon was a big, scary looking black dude, and Zimmerman was a guy who'd lost some weight and looks good in a suit?? WTF.

Okay, so he's making a point about the media coverage, but still that's a bit odd.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby wordspeak2 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:58 am

The absolute sickest, most asinine, shit I've seen on all this has come from no other than Alex Jones:
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Simulist » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:21 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:The absolute sickest, most asinine, shit I've seen on all this has come from no other than Alex Jones:


Alex Jones is one of the trashier pieces of human garbage in possession of a microphone (and a bullhorn).
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:05 pm

Nordic wrote:So ..... Trayvon was a big, scary looking black dude, and Zimmerman was a guy who'd lost some weight and looks good in a suit?? WTF.

Okay, so he's making a point about the media coverage, but still that's a bit odd.


It's more than odd: a 17-year old kid is dead, and the man who killed him lied about shooting him in self-defense. The police haven't followed basic police investigative procedures. They haven't even interviewed the girl who was on the phone with the victim when he was attacked. They didn't arrest the killer. This is bullshit, and it undermines the rule of law.

The NBC thing seems designed to fuel right-wing paranoia about the "liberal media".
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:47 pm

Agreed, Alice. Its so bizarre to me how these irrelevant details are considered relevant in the media. It seems deliberate to me. The facts are basic and true, and I don't care if Trayvon looked like an angry Mike Tyson, that doesn't change the facts. Its one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen, unless you were to travel back in time 50 or 60 years when it would have been normal in the american south. But this is 2012 last I checked.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:19 am

Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say
5:38 p.m. EST, March 31, 2012|

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story.

'Scientific certainty'

On a rainy night in late February, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford community, Retreat at Twin Lakes.

Though several of her neighbors eventually called authorities, she phoned early enough for dispatchers to hear the panicked cries and the gunshot that took Trayvon Martin's life.

George Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, shot Trayvon, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a one-on-one confrontation Feb. 26.

Before the shot, one of them can be heard screaming for help.

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.

Forensic voice identification is not a new or novel concept; in fact, a recent U.S. Department of Justice committee report notes that federal interest in the technology "has a history of nearly 70 years."

In the post 9-11 world, Owen says, voice identification is "the main biometric tool" used to track international criminals, as well as terrorists.

"These people don't leave fingerprints, but they do still need to talk to one another," he says.

'The home run'

Though the term "biometric analysis" may sound futuristic, it basically just means using personal characteristics for identification. A fingerprint scanner is an example of a biometric device.

Much as the ridges of a human hand produce a fingerprint, each human voice has unique, distinguishable traits, Owen says. "They're all particular to the individual."

Another benefit of modern biometric analysis, Owen said, is it doesn't require an "in context" comparison. In other words, Owen didn't need a sample of Zimmerman screaming in order to compare his voice to the call.

The technology Owen used to analyze the Zimmerman tape has a wide range of applications, including national security and international policing, he said. A recently as January, Owen used the same technology to identify accused murderer Sheila Davalloo in a 911 call made almost a decade ago.

Owen testified that it was Davalloo, accused of stabbing another woman nine times in a condo in Shippan, Conn., who reported the killing to police from a pay phone in November 2002.

Davalloo was convicted, according to news reports.

Owen says the audio from Zimmerman's call is much better quality than the 911 call in the Davalloo case. Voice identification experts judge the quality based on a signal-to-noise ratio; in other words, comparing the usable audio in a clip to the environmental noises that make a match difficult.

And the call on which the screams are heard is better quality than is necessary, Owen says.

"In our world, that's the home run," he says.

Not all experts rely on biometrics. Ed Primeau, a Michigan-based audio engineer and forensics expert, is not a believer in the technology's use in courtroom settings.

He relies instead on audio enhancement and human analysis based on forensic experience. After listening closely to the 911 tape on which the screams are heard, Primeau also has a strong opinion.

"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:30 am

CounterPunch Diary
You Really Think the Killers of Trayvon Martin and Those 16 Afghan Villagers Will Ever Do Time?
by ALEXANDER COCKBURN


I’d say the chances of George Zimmerman spending time behind bars for killing Trayvon Martin are about the same as Sergeant Robert Bales doing time for killing those 16 Afghan villagers the night of March 11. Zero.

Like most things that happen in America these days, the Trayvon Martin case is turning into yet another hearse trundling the Republican Party to its doom in November.

A brief outline of the facts. It’s February 26. Trayvon Martin is a 17-year old black kid watching a big basketball game in the home of his father’s fiancée in Sanford, a small-town outlier of Orlando, Florida. Sanford has a population of 55,000, about a third black. The fiancée lives in a mixed-race, gated community. At halftime Martin goes to the corner store and buys an iced tea and a bag of Skittles.

It’s raining and Martin has his hoodie up over his head and is talking to his girl friend on his cell phone. On his way back he is spotted by 28-year old George Zimmerman, a cop wannabe, self-appointed neighborhood crime watcher. Apparently he has pestered the police station for months with reports of “suspicious 12-year-olds” walking through the neighborhood. Zimmerman – white dad, Latina mother — is wearing a red jacket and blue jeans. In his pocket is a Kel-Tec 9 mm automatic pistol.

Zimmerman calls the local station and says he’s following a suspicious character. He describes Martin as black and says he’s acting strangely and could be on drugs. The teenager starts to run, Zimmerman says. A 911 dispatcher asks Zimmerman whether he’s following Martin, and Zimmerman says he is. The dispatcher says clearly that Zimmerman doesn’t need to do that.

There’s a lull in the transmission and you can hear Zimmerman mutter clearly to himself , “These assholes .. . They always get away.” On other calls between Zimmerman and the 9/11 dispatcher he refers to “fucking coons.” CNN says the words are indistinct, which they aren’t. CNN also says the case is “complicated”, which it isn’t.

Later the Martin family lawyer relays Trayvon’s girlfriend’s account of her last call with him. She says he told her that he was being followed. She says: “Run.” He says, “I’m not going to run, I’m just going to walk fast. The girl later heard Martin say, “Why are you following me?” and then another man – Zimmmerman – saying, “What are you doing around here?” The girl thinks she heard a scuffle because his voice changes like something interrupted his speech.

Mary Cutcher was in her kitchen making coffee that night with her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla. The window was open, she said. “We heard a whining. Not like a crying, boohoo, but like a whining, someone in distress, and then the gunshot,” she tells Anderson Cooper on CNN’s 360.

They looked out the window but saw nothing. It was dark.

They ran out the sliding glass door, and within seconds, they saw Zimmerman.

“Zimmerman was standing over the body with — basically straddling the body with his hands on Trayvon’s back,” Cutcher said. “And it didn’t seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way. I didn’t hear any struggle prior to the gunshot. And I feel like it was Trayvon Martin that was crying out, because the minute that the gunshot went off, the whining stopped.”

The two women said they could not see whether Zimmerman was bruised or hurt. It was too dark.

“Selma asked him three times, ‘what’s going on over there?’ ” Cutcher said. “He looks back and doesn’t say anything. She asks him again, “Everything OK? What’s going on?’ Same thing: looked at us, looked back. Finally, the third time, he said, ‘just call the police.’ ”

The women, one white and one Latina, tell Anderson Cooper flatly they don’t believe Zimmerman’s story of how Martin had suddenly attacked him, punched him in the face, broke his nose — and that when Zimmerman –larger than Martin – feels he’s being overpowered he pulls out the gun and shoots Martin through the chest. (Later Zimmerman declined medical attention.)

Zimmerman stakes his defense on Chapter 7776.013 of the Florida criminal statute on home protection and the use of deadline force. Para 3 states “A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

This is what’s colloquially known as the Stand Your Ground law. Thirty states, including my own state of California, have versions of this old English legal concept of My Home is My Castle. Since I live in a remote rural area inhabited by well-armed people, not all of them on the side of the angels, I’ve read our statute from time to time trying to determine what exactly would be the circumstances under which — if an armed individual was heading for my house, 10 yards from the deck and showing no signs of slowing after my challenges — I could shoot justifiably shoot him with my 12-gauge shotgun. It’s always struck me as a really hard call. The state may have a Stand Your Ground law, but it really doesn’t want people using it as legal shelter.

Not so in Sanford, Florida. Zimmerman, the son of a former local magistrate judge, is not charged and walks away free. Though the Sanford cops leak to the press the news that he was once suspended from school as having been in possession of an empty bag that had once contained marijuana, Trayvon Martin had a clean record. On the other hand, Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for battery on a cop. A former co-worker tells the New York Daily News Zimmerman was fired in 2005 from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive…. Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.” In 2007 an injunction was issued as a result of a domestic battery complaint by Zimmerman’s then girlfriend. He files a similar injunction against her.

Outrage about the case built across the first two weeks of March. By the third week it was a national scandal. Black columnists described how they warn their sons not to run in any crisis situation, always be polite to the cops no matter how provoked. The Rev Al Sharpton covers the case full volume on MSNBC. The usual litter of deadly cop shootings of blacks are exhumed from recent Florida police records. Protest demonstrations are held in Sanford.

There are the obvious questions. If Martin had wrestled the gun away from Zimmerman and shot him, would he have been allowed to walk away free? No, Sir. Political pressure forces the appointment of Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, to determine whether to charge Zimmerman. If she does so, it will probably be for second-degree manslaughter.

President Obama speaks on March 23 about the killing of Trayvon, saying “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon…I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

Two Republican candidates for their party’s nomination to the presidency promptly bring out the hearse, most decently deployed to freight denounciations of women’s right to birth control. Newt Gingrich states that Obama’s comments are “disgraceful” and that “Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified, no matter what the ethnic background. Is the president suggesting that, if it had been a white who’d been shot, that would be OK, because it wouldn’t look like him? That’s just nonsense.”

Then Rick Santorum chimes in, stating that Obama should “not use these types of horrible and tragic individual cases to try to drive a wedge in America.” This unleashes Rush Limbaugh who says that Obama is using the case as a “political opportunity.” Geraldo Rivera suggests Martin brought it on himself by wearing a hoodie.At which point the conservative columnist William Tucker has had enough.

In the hard-right American Spectator, under the headline : “Count Me Out On Trayvon Martin: Why Gingrich, Santorum, and many conservatives are dead wrong on this one” he writes, “Republicans have no reason to intervene in this fight. Seventy-five percent of the public thinks Zimmerman should be charged with something…. Personally, I can’t wait until Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum get offstage so we can start running a presidential campaign that isn’t based on trying to alienate the vast majority of Americans over irrelevant issues.”What is it that prompts Republicans to try so hard to alienate women, blacks, Hispanics, independents and all those millions and millions of Americans to the left of the Tea Party they’ll need to beat Obama? Maybe they feel it’s their last throw. All the demographics look unfavorable for any future Republican majority. So there is a desperate effort to get everything they can right now. Conning working class whites with racism, sexism, anti-gay/ anti-immigrant rhetoric, etc has worked so well since Nixon that it’s become an addiction. Link
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:38 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:......
The NBC thing seems designed to fuel right-wing paranoia about the "liberal media".

Precisely.
Since CIA-run and MI6-run media have been documented recently, the need to hide state-controlled media has skyrocketed in western media.

Asymmetrical polarization strategies serve to mollify the political Left and agitate the political Right.
And the control of perceptions about racial 'minorities' go back to domestic counterinsurgency doctrines in place as a result of urban riots of the early and mid-1960s....according to US military papers on the subject.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby General Patton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:50 pm

Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html

City of Sanford's page with police report/911 calls/video footage:
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:53 pm

General Patton wrote:Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html



That could be anything. Could be a scar. Who knows?

It doesn't matter anyway, I hope Trayvon beat the crap out of him before he was fucking murdered.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby wordspeak2 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:23 pm

I don't know... could be anything, I guess, or maybe there was a scuffle. Nothing changes the fact that he chased after Trayvon unprovoked. And the audio analysis shows that it was Trayvon screaming, not Zimmerman.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby beeline » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:33 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:I don't know... could be anything, I guess, or maybe there was a scuffle. Nothing changes the fact that he chased after Trayvon unprovoked. And the audio analysis shows that it was Trayvon screaming, not Zimmerman.


The audio analysis shows only that it was not Zimmerman screaming, not that it was Trayvon screaming per se. They don't have a sample of Trayvon speaking to compare the audio. A small yet important distinction in this thorny case.

I have a bad feeling that if this goes to trial, Zimmerman is charged with manslaughter, and is acquitted. This is the same state that let Casey Anthony walk free after (at least in my opinion) the prosecution presented a pretty clear indictment for murder.
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby General Patton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:43 pm

Nordic wrote:
General Patton wrote:Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html



That could be anything. Could be a scar. Who knows?

It doesn't matter anyway, I hope Trayvon beat the crap out of him before he was fucking murdered.


Have you read the police report? Sanford Fire Department medics cleaned him up before the booking video. It specifically said he was treated on site. Which means that in the event of a trial the medics can testify, along with several of the officers, who could be seen inspecting his head in the booking videos.


The audio analysis is complex, the phone was inside of a house and the act of screaming reduces the ability to create a perfect match, especially in light of there being no sample of Trayvon to compare it too. Only one of the audio experts actually used software, the one that his company created.

His credentials: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... an/c479na7
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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:47 pm

Nordic wrote:What's so weird about this is how the entire story is being given the faux "vetting" treatment by the media and the public.

It's just bizarre. It's subverting the legal system and letting us all have our public carnival where we all get to play detective.

It's one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. Just arrest the lying murdering piece of shit already and let's get on with our lives.


Yeah but, then they wouldn't be able to ratchet up and stoke the anger, fear, paranoia and polarization effect.

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Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:54 pm

General Patton wrote:
Nordic wrote:
General Patton wrote:Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html



That could be anything. Could be a scar. Who knows?

It doesn't matter anyway, I hope Trayvon beat the crap out of him before he was fucking murdered.


Have you read the police report? Sanford Fire Department medics cleaned him up before the booking video. It specifically said he was treated on site. Which means that in the event of a trial the medics can testify, along with several of the officers, who could be seen inspecting his head in the booking videos.


The audio analysis is complex, the phone was inside of a house and the act of screaming reduces the ability to create a perfect match, especially in light of there being no sample of Trayvon to compare it too. Only one of the audio experts actually used software, the one that his company created.


Either way, just from what Martin's girlfriend said and from Zimmerman and the 911 operator's own dialogue exchange we've all heard, it was Trayvon who had the "stand your ground" right away.

Just speculating on all this is what they want, when we have a court of law for such things. Zimmerman's lawyers can say the jury was tainted as he was convicted in the public's mind.

We've reached this point where even the President of the United states can have American citizens 'taken care of' if he doesn't like them. Used to be they wouldn't announce stuff like that, and they'd just wetwork or 'accident/suicide/random crime victim' someone. President doesn't like someone's "extremist youtube vlogs", he'll order a missile down their chimney like that New Mexican cleric. Like bin Laden, they coulda arrested him, but no they blew his head off, dumped him off the side of the boat and told noone to question it.

The ONE thing I agree with tho, with the right wing media..is what about all the other endless black teens gunned down, often in black on black crime. The media has made such a polarizing racial issue out of this Trayvon case, but Im also sad about all of the young black men whose lives are cut short by killings, hopelessness, drugs, or the prison gulag system.

Democracy Now is highlighting this tragic case in November, where a 68 year old black man was shot and killed in his home by a cop
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/29/k ... _plains_ny
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