The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:02 pm

AD...
".Let's fight against Settler Colonialism...."


Who are " the "colonizing authority" (the imperial power) with regard to Israel.?

I have been against "Settler Colonialism" in Ireland for years.
Whether by the British Establishment, Europe, International Bankers or by Cultural Marxists.
I'm no lover of the Muslim Botherhood, or the Wahabists.

And...

Irish radio presenter suspended after anti-Israeli comments aired on show
Ireland’s Broadcasting Authority upholds Israeli embassy complaint
By Patrick Counihan


An Irish radio presenter has been suspended from broadcasting after a row with a government body about Israel’s occupation of the Gaza Strip.

Peter Kearney
, presenter of the International Politics show on Dublin’s Near FM, had ridiculed Ireland’s Broadcasting Authority after a complaint from the Israeli embassy was upheld.

The Sunday Times reports that Kearney has been suspended and told by station management that his actions ‘were not acceptable.’

Kearney had interviewed a number of people last March about their experiences in Gaza in the aftermath of Israeli military action in 2008 and 2009.

The paper reports that during his program, he described Gaza as an ‘open-air prison,’ endorsing a term used by one interviewee.

The presenter also said on air that Israel did not want to share the waters off the coast of Gaza with Palestinians because of their potential gas and oil reserves.

Boaz Modai, Israel’s ambassador to Ireland, then complained to the Broadcasting Authority that the program was a ‘propaganda platform’ for Gaza Action Ireland as there were no neutral guests or advocates of Israel’s position.

The authority’s compliance committee ruled that the show was not ‘fair, objective and impartial’ as current affairs programs are required to be.

After Near FM broadcast the BAI’s ruling before an episode of International Politics, Kearney discussed the ruling with Azizi, a comic character who is the creation of Sami Moukaddem, a Lebanese musician.

On the program Azizi described the BAI ruling as ‘the garbage that we just smelt,’ He said it had ‘stank the whole office.’

The paper says that Kearney then said that the ‘I’ in BAI stood for Ireland and not Israel and said if he had endorsed the opinions of the interviewees he wasn’t going too far wrong.

He said: “Shock, horror, I allowed their opinions to be expressed.”

Azizi added on air that, historically, people who tried to expose human rights abuses were vilified.

The comic said: “There is not enough toilet paper in this building to clean me of the vibe of what we just heard.”

The report says that Azizi then mocked the BAI committee for upholding the embassy’s complaint. He said: “Give us this shit, let us expose you. They keep on exposing themselves.”

He also said that the complaint exposed the Israelis ‘as bullies of just about everything, small and big.’

Kearney then took to the program’s Facebook page where he claimed the BAI had supported an Israeli embassy attack on his show. He wrote: “This is an attack on community volunteers.”

The station apologised to both the BAI and Israeli embassy after the Sunday Times investigated the program.


http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish- ... 69541.html
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:13 pm

I am a long time supporter of SUSTAIN (Stop U.S. Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now)
what's that costing you $50 a month?
as a US citizen
well well well. we finally flushed the space lizard out. so you are a tax evader then? or is a little palestinan blood worth the cost of prescription drugs for our seniors?
It's not just Israel- it's not even mostly Israel- that is a racist myth...
you can keep your racism. according to the money it is mostly israel.
Let's fight against Settler Colonialism. neo-Imperialism etc.- in Palestine/Israel and all over the Earth.
bring it
Let's clearly repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too- against Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others...
i'm for apple pie...
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:19 pm

bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:02 pm wrote:AD...
".Let's fight against Settler Colonialism...."


Who are " the "colonizing authority" (the imperial power) with regard to Israel.?


Israel is a settler colonialist state, which is notably backed by the United States ("my" country). The Israeli State is part of a vast web of political and economic relationships in which it is neither solely client nor puppet master.

One can oppose the crimes of that State- as those of Canada, the United States, Australia etc. and "repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too- against Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others".

Don't you think so, too?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:23 pm

Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:13 pm wrote:
Let's clearly repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too- against Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others...

i'm for apple pie...


What's that supposed to mean?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Here you go.....

[b]Canadian PM ( well paid whore) affirms support for Israel, announces visit in January

In staunchly pro-Israel speech at Toronto fundraiser, Harper says ‘shared civilization depends on survival of Jewish homeland’; hundreds protest Bedouin Prawer Plan outside event

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Sunday that he would make an official visit to Israel in January.

Harper, a staunch supporter of Israel, made the announcement at a JNF-KKL fundraising event in Toronto held in his honor Sunday evening, where it was also revealed that a bird sanctuary in the Hula Valley would be named after the prime minister.

“I am honored by this particular gift…I value it [because] it is where it is. It is in that homeland of the Jewish people and that light of freedom and democracy in what is otherwise a region of darkness — the State of Israel,” Harper said in his opening remarks.

“These are dark days,” the prime minister went on, explaining that Ottawa and Jerusalem share common values but also common threats.

“In the world of diplomacy, we know how easy it is to drift away from Israel. We understand that the future of our country and of our shared civilization depends on the survival and the thriving of that free and democratic homeland of the Jewish people in the Middle East.”

“Israel will always have Canada as a friend in the world,” Harper vowed, before performing with his band at the event as his show of appreciation.

“This official trip is an important indicator of the dynamic relationship that exists between two great countries, which has grown and strengthened under the prime minister’s leadership. This visit will provide Israelis with an opportunity to thank the prime minister for his steadfast friendship and support over many years, ” said David Koschitzky, the chairman of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), following the speech.

The CEO of the JNF-KKL’s Canada branch, Josh Cooper, said Sunday that Harper had “raised the bar of what is considered to be a true friend of Israel.”

Meanwhile, a protest outside the Toronto event against Israel’s controversial Bedouin resettlement plan in the Negev attracted hundreds of people, including persons from the local Jewish community, according to reports.

The protest came a day after demonstrations marking the International Day of Rage against the Prawer Plan held in cities across Israel, the West Bank and Europe Saturday turned violent.

Police and protesters clash at a rally where around 1,200 demonstrators gathered in the southern Israeli town of Hura during a protest against the government's plan to resettle some 30,000 Bedouin residents of the Negev desert Saturday. (photo credit: David Buimovitch/Flash90)
Police and protesters clash at a rally where around 1,200 demonstrators gathered in the southern Israeli town of Hura during a protest against the government’s plan to resettle some 30,000 Bedouin residents of the Negev desert Saturday. (photo credit: David Buimovitch/Flash90)

At least 40 people were arrested and 15 police officers were injured Saturday during clashes that broke out at a demonstration at Hura junction in the Negev against the plan.

Demonstrators threw stones at the security forces deployed to the organized protest, which attracted over 1,500 people Saturday. Police responded with stun grenades and water cannon to disperse the demonstration.

Israeli officials and opponents of the plan each indicated that they would not be backing down from their stances Sunday.

Bedouin leaders promised that the violence was just the start of their campaign against the plan.

Israeli soldiers clash with Palestinian protesters outside the Jewish settlement of Beit El, near the West Bank city of Ramallah, during a demonstration against the Israeli government's plan to resettle some 30,000 Bedouin residents of the Negev desert. The demonstrations were organized as part of an International Day of Rage against the Law for Arranging Bedouin Settlement in the Negev, known as the Prawer-Begin Plan. November 30, 2013. (Photo credit: Issam RImawi/ FLASH90)
Israeli soldiers clash with Palestinian protesters outside the Jewish settlement of Beit El, near the West Bank city of Ramallah, during a demonstration against the Israeli government’s plan to resettle some 30,000 Bedouin residents of the Negev desert. (Photo credit: Issam RImawi/ FLASH90)

The Bill on the Arrangement of Bedouin Settlement in the Negev, also known as the Prawer-Begin Plan, calls for Israel to officially recognize and register the vast majority of Bedouin settlements throughout the south, and compensate the residents of 35 unrecognized villages — some 30,000 to 40,000 people — who are to be moved off state-owned land into towns built for them.

The government says the plan will give the Bedouin the services and economic opportunities they currently lack. But where the government sees investment, Bedouin and human rights activists see a land grab tinged with anti-Arab racism.

The plan was drawn up by former Likud minister and Knesset member Benny Begin and approved by the cabinet in January.

Critics have called the plan a forced population transfer, with some even referring to it as an “ethnic cleansing” scheme.

Around 200,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, most concentrated in an area around the city of Beersheba.

They lived under military rule until the 1960s, and have since resisted government efforts to move them into seven larger, recognized communities. Bedouin say those towns are rife with crime, poverty and the same lack of basic services they currently face.

The urban setting also makes their traditional occupation, raising livestock, much more difficult.[/b]


Comments:

".....Israel should ask for $5 billion a year from Canada, its weapons, diplomatic support and everything else it gets for free from the US. Oh... Wait...."

"..Unfortunately, Canada is not into printing money with abandon...." Yet!
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:44 pm

American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:19 pm wrote:

One can oppose the crimes of that State- as those of Canada, the United States, Australia etc. and "repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too- against Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others".

Don't you think so, too?



So no comments on the above, bluenoseclaret?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:59 pm

What's that supposed to mean?
it means get your red crayon out and keep coloring people:
every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too-
the
Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others...
continuously thank you for your repudiations. i'm sure they feel a great sense of solidarity with your struggles...
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:03 pm

Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:59 pm wrote:
What's that supposed to mean?
it means get your red crayon out and keep coloring people:
every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression, too-
the
Arabs, against Muslims, against Jews and any and all others...
continuously thank you for your repudiations. i'm sure they feel a great sense of solidarity with your struggles...


Is there some reason why you wouldn't want to claim a broad, consistent position against bigotry, prejudice and racism? Are you uncomfortable with what the implications of that might be?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:20 pm

I would like to think, I come over quite well in terms of:

"....repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression,...."


How about you...AD.

Any thought on the "One-State" solution.
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:31 pm

bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:20 pm wrote:I would like to think, I come over quite well in terms of:

"....repudiate every form of bigotry, prejudice and oppression,...."


How about you...AD.

Any thought on the "One-State" solution.


If I could snap my fingers right now, and make all of historic Palestine into one democratic state (one person, one vote), I would snap my fingers. Of course that leaves room for two or more cultural polities within that rubric- according to the will of the People...

As a class struggle anarchist, though, I don't really love the State (any State) so if I could snap my fingers and let there be a self-organized society, based in participatory decision-making, cooperative production, individual freedom and whatnot, I would definitely snap my fingers for that...

bluenoseclaret, do you think the sort of "anti-Zionist" conspiracy narratives which are widely derided as racist ("Rothschild Zionism", Atzmon, Shamir, Icke, Rense, Mullins etc.) are compatible with your anti-bias position?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:43 pm

Is there some reason why you wouldn't want to claim a broad, consistent position against bigotry, prejudice and racism?
is claiming a position all that it takes? i wouldn't want to seem an empty windbag.
Are you uncomfortable with what the implications of that might be?
in talk or something effectual? yeah it's good not to kill innocent people. are you a tax evader? how do you excuse the portion of your exertions perpetrating racist crimes in your name? tell me ad as an american citizen, how you escape this moral conundrum. it is immoral and racist of you to withhold the information. i want to come up to your level...
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby bluenoseclaret » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:54 pm

Israel is an Apartheid State...

Why is Israel the only country allowed to be racist?
Is there anywhere else in the world that prohibits "mixed-race marriages"? ...by Saul

TEL AVIV -- Despite Zionists' denials, Israel is an apartheid state. The term apartheid means "the state of being apart" and was a system of legislated racial separatism in South Africa. There are striking parallels between Zionist Israel and apartheid South Africa,

Let's look at Israel's blatantly racist laws.

Jewish Right of Return

With very few exceptions, only Jews can immigrate. Outside of Russian immigration, immigrants to Israel must prove that their mother was or is Jewish. Christians cannot immigrate to Israel. Muslims most certainly cannot immigrate to Israel.

Why have such a racist law on the books when 20% of the population are Muslim Arabs? Simple. Zionists claim that Jews deserve a homeland.

Jewish Marriage Law

Jews cannot marry anyone other than Jews. Muslims in Israel cannot marry anyone other than Muslims. Even secular Jews cannot marry Christians or Muslims in Israel. This is the law. To marry outside one's faith, couples need to leave Israel to countries like Cyprus where they can marry and return as a married couple. Even Apartheid South Africa abolished the Prohibition of Mixed Marriage act in 1985, prior to which time whites could not marry blacks and vice versa. In Israel this racism is still going on today! Not just similar to Apartheid, WORSE than Apartheid.

In Judaism, to be Jewish, one's mother must be Jewish.

One of my friends had problems getting married in Israel recently. He is a provable Jew with a Jewish mother and father. His bride to be was a Russian immigrant with only a Jewish father. The Zionist secular government bends the rules for Russian Jews so they qualify under the Jewish right of return. Alas, to the religious court, which has a monopoly on marriage and divorce law in the country, she was NOT deemed a Jew. Thus, they could not get married within Israel.

It all ties to the racist Zionism that demands Jews and ONLY Jews have a right to this land. Zionists know that if Israel allowed non-Jews to immigrate and if she allowed Jews to marry non-Jews, the country would be unable to maintain her racist laws because her mixed citizenry would not tolerate it. It's a massive catch 22. To preserve the racial majority within colonized lands, Israel cannot avoid being an apartheid state. And it is doomed to fail, just as Apartheid failed.

Zionists Want Never-Ending Conflict

Zionist propagandists love to point to facts such as, "For every offer of peace Israel has made, the Palestinians have said no." This is laughable, because every offer of peace Israel has ever made includes Israel's de facto racist apartheid laws. Only Jewish right of "return" (though the Jews "returning' to Israel haven't had family in this region prior to the 20th century for millennia), but no Palestinian right of return (though the Palestinian refugees who fled Israel in 1948 had lived here for a millennia before the 20th century.) If Jews are indeed Khazars, then they have no right of return at all.

Expansionist Israel - Race-based West bank Land Grab

We are all aware of the problems caused by Israeli settlements on Arab lands. Zionists claim ALL the land from King David's time belongs to Jews and only Jews.

Even after the war in '48, Jordan occupied the West Bank, not Israel. The settlements in Judea / Samaria are factually on Arab land from the time Israel was recognized in '48. Israel is basically stealing these lands and claiming them as "Jewish" property. Jewish property and the indigenous Arabs are not allowed there.

NEGEV AND GALILEE

And while this is obviously an obstacle to peace with those Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens, even within Israel proper the Zionist government discriminates against and steals the land from her Arab Palestinian or Bedouin citizenry.

(For the 80,000 Bedouin residents in unrecognized villages, life in Israel means seeing their homes demolished by the hundreds, on the grounds they were built illegally. It means having their fields plowed under, and not being connected to water, electricity or sewerage infrastructure.)

There is no excuse for it. It is blatant racism no different from Apartheid South African whites stealing land from South African blacks and moving them elsewhere.

The so-called Prawer-Begin bill is seeking now to resettle 40,000 Bedouin Israelis in the Negev, and seize 60,000 acres of their land. Israeli citizens since the 1950's, they are being displaced to make room for Jewish-only communities.

Israel is also evicting Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem.

This is no different than what the Apartheid South African government did to her black citizenry to make room for white communities.
The Zionist Israeli government is intentionally provoking a fight, a third intifada, if for no better reason than warfare is profitable.
The sad truth is, Zionist propaganda relies on a hostile internal and external Arab "enemy" to justify her racism and militarism. It's criminal, and it is at its core, pure racism.
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:02 pm

Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:43 pm wrote:
Is there some reason why you wouldn't want to claim a broad, consistent position against bigotry, prejudice and racism?
is claiming a position all that it takes? i wouldn't want to seem an empty windbag.
Are you uncomfortable with what the implications of that might be?
in talk or something effectual? yeah it's good not to kill innocent people. are you a tax evader? how do you excuse the portion of your exertions perpetrating racist crimes in your name? tell me ad as an american citizen, how you escape this moral conundrum. it is immoral and racist of you to withhold the information. i want to come up to your level...


You're pointing out a very real truth- claiming a clear position on important issues is only the beginning- next is walking your talk. Sorry but you haven't even made it to square one on the anti-bigotry issue. What are you avoiding?
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:12 pm

are you a tax evader? how do you excuse the portion of your exertions perpetrating racist crimes in your name? tell me ad as an american citizen, how you escape this moral conundrum. it is immoral and racist of you to withhold the information

What are you avoiding?

you're the only person i know who can stand over a pile of dead bodies and say "at least i'm not a racist". congratulations.
But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:31 pm

Elihu » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:12 pm wrote:
are you a tax evader? how do you excuse the portion of your exertions perpetrating racist crimes in your name? tell me ad as an american citizen, how you escape this moral conundrum. it is immoral and racist of you to withhold the information

What are you avoiding?

you're the only person i know who can stand over a pile of dead bodies and say "at least i'm not a racist". congratulations.


I support BDS (Boycott, Divestment & Sanctions) and SUSTAIN (Stop U.S.Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now) and I'm against all forms of bigotry.

How about you?
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