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norton ash » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:07 am wrote:I think this horrible winter is giving some people cabin fever, ffs. Keep the whiskey out, just put the fucking knives away.
FourthBase » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:03 pm wrote:Being a mod would be squandering Jack's talent, by handcuffing him. So, I don't like that. But then again, I think Jack would make a good mod. If serious: Don't do it, but if you do it, then I support it.
jakell » 27 Jan 2014 21:14 wrote:Has there ever been a non-European analogue of Jeux Sans Frontiers (formerly 'It's a Knockout')? It was quite an institution here for a while.
I don't know why it folded, maybe the world got too serious for it.
semper occultus » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:33 am wrote:jakell » 27 Jan 2014 21:14 wrote:Has there ever been a non-European analogue of Jeux Sans Frontiers (formerly 'It's a Knockout')? It was quite an institution here for a while.
I don't know why it folded, maybe the world got too serious for it.
...it was always called It's a Knockout in UK & JSF in the franco-phone world.....in an early example of subsidiarity I presume each country had its own title although generally I strongly suspect a Euro-Federalist softening-up psy-op exercise......the budget was probably diverted to the single currency project and colour revolutions....
jakell » 28 Jan 2014 12:35 wrote:
Being in my early teens at the time, I sort of assumed that the former morphed into the latter, but maybe you're right in that each country had it's own variation. I noticed that once the contest became JSF and Europe wide, the costumes and setting became more sophisticated and consistently so
I've noticed there are some episodes on Youtube now, I may download a few to watch when I feel I'm becoming too cynical and serious.
BTW, I think you are probably the first person ever to attach sinister intentions to JSF, congratulations. If someone wants to start digging a (suitably silly) rabbit hole here, they might want to bear in mind that Stuart Hall was a fixture on the British version, and a regular on the Contintental one.
If someone wants to start digging a (suitably silly) rabbit hole here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Hall_(cultural_theorist)
Hall's work covers issues of hegemony and cultural studies, taking a post-Gramscian stance. He regards language-use as operating within a framework of power, institutions and politics/economics. This view presents people as producers and consumers of culture at the same time. (Hegemony, in Gramscian theory, refers to the socio-cultural production of "consent" and "coercion".)
For Hall, culture is not something to simply appreciate or study, but a "critical site of social action and intervention, where power relations are both established and potentially unsettled."[17]
Hall has become one of the main proponents of reception theory, and developed Hall's Theory of encoding and decoding. This approach to textual analysis focuses on the scope for negotiation and opposition on the part of the audience. This means that the audience does not simply passively accept a text — social control. Crime statistics, in Hall's view, are often manipulated for political and economic purposes. Moral panics (e.g. over mugging) could thereby be ignited in order to create public support for the need to "police the crisis". The media play a central role in the "social production of news" in order to reap the rewards of lurid crime stories.
semper occultus » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:07 pm wrote:
….yeah….I found these magic sunglasses in a box down an alleyway once….but I seriously doubt you will ever find them as funny as Stuart Hall used to ( apparently )…”…here come the Belgians…!!”
Actually I think you’re at least partially correct - there were the domestic heats which lead up to the European league fixtures…...one does not simply walk in off the street and start running up grease-covered ramps in diving flippers and a comedy foam rubber duck costume attached to a bungy rope to deposit buckets of orange water in a plastic container without weeks of careful training…..the Germans had their own training camps at altitude as I understand it….
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