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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby slomo » Sun May 25, 2014 2:45 pm

Luther Blissett » 25 May 2014 10:36 wrote:I submit that jlaw172364's assessment of the men's rights movement is not accurate, and is outmoded by about two years (around the same time that SPLC classified the men's rights movement as a hate movement). The aspects most publicly visible to outsiders have much more to do with friendzoning and involuntary celibacy (to lift a phrase from Elliot Rodger's / men's rights activists' strangely confluent play books) than they do with custody and divorce law. It's pretty rare to see, even in the most radical feminist and intersectional communities, denunciation of these old-model issues, and I don't think anyone's doing that here.

Whose fault is it that the public face of men's rights has shifted to being a majority 17-20 year-old, ultra-conservative, 98% white cishet phenomenon? Certainly not the feminists'. Maybe older men who are primarily concerned with divorce and custody should distance themselves from these boys rather than double-down on it? The ways in which he was shaped by his early life (via his manifesto) found validation and legitimization through the widely-used anti-woman violent rhetoric used in those communities.

The bit about /r/theredpill moderators deleting Rodger's posts was told to me by my girlfriend (the same girlfriend whose cousin was in the sorority targeted by Rodger and was a block away) while we were both engaged in multiple discussions online yesterday. Maybe she misspoke and meant "misc," which has been covered widely online, but I'm definitely giving her the benefit of the doubt. Our conversation specifically moved to corruption amongst reddit moderators, which is another hot topic these days. In searching for his username now, I'm seeing a lot of people saying "Holy shit. Those quotes read like something straight out of /r/theredpill," and "I wonder if I typed up random phrases from elliot rodger's video, how many upvotes I would get?" so it's not just us.

There's nothing rigorous about adopting the default misogynistic stance of mainstream American culture. What's the lesson I'm supposed to learn? Give violent rhetoric and physical threats towards women a pass?


This is all hearsay without any substantiation.

About the SPLC, debunked here:

http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-men ... roup-splc/

Your whole argument is founded on a logical fallacy. OMG Rodgers had problems with women! He read PUA articles and spouted some of their rhetoric! That proves the MRM is full of murderous hatefull misogynists! Oh My!

Not to mention the suspicious "I happen to know somebody who knows more about this case, but I can't divulge any details. Trust Me".

Lies. False accusations.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby slomo » Sun May 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Doesn't matter anyway, RI is just a hotbed of terrorism.

I know this because many of the positions espoused here are similar to those espoused by Ted Kaczinksy. In fact, if I posted random excerpts from his manifesto, they would be met with overwhelming approval by most RI participants.

Ergo, RI is a terrorist website.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 3:26 pm

@Luther - I only discovered the "manosphere" reddits fairly recently. Like any, sub, it's the same themes repeated over and over again with only minor variations. You're saying Rodgers posted there. So what? Nobody can stop nutjobs from posting on subreddits. Nobody knew for sure that he was a nutjob until it was too late. Also, nobody has offered any proof that he posted there, or that posts were deleted. Like any sub, there are people who post demented, vitriolic things on it. Oftentimes the mods delete them as troll posts, or because they don't want the sub tarred with that post because they suspect it was a false flag attack by an enemy using hyperbole.

I'm looking at the MRA reddit right now; little to nothing on incel and friendzone issues. Incel and friendzone are more TRP and PUA/Seddit issues. Instead, I see posts on domestic violence, divorce, "war on boys" in education system, etc. In other words, the usual stuff. Really, it's the same shit over and over again, the same way certain topics are discussed on here over and over again. If someone on here snaps and goes on a rampage, are we all somehow to blame for it? Not likely.

People who denounce these manosphere discourses are as bad as the men who denounces the feminists without even reading anything they say, or thinking about it, or trying to empathize with what they write.

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Lol, exactly!
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun May 25, 2014 3:42 pm

I'm not citing /r/mensrights. Men's rights activists are not coming from some totem or monolith. I've seen enough violent rhetoric aimed at women by boys and young men who self-identify as "men's rights activists" so as not to be surprised by any of Rodger's quotes from puahate, his videos, or the bodybuilding forum. Is the dailydot an authority on debunking? The SLPC is still correct in that violent rhetoric is still flung around by men's rights activists.

Has this been posted yet?

Elliot Rodger And Men Who Hate Women

TW for violence against women, misogynistic language, violent language, talk of rape

Last night, a 22 year old man named Elliot Rodger killed six people and injured seven more in what most news outlets are describing as a “shooting rampage.” Rodger died later that night from a gunshot wound to his head, though it’s still unclear as to whether or not it was self-inflicted or from responding deputies shooting back after he opened fire on them.

Almost everything I’ve read about him has referred to him as a “madman” or “mentally ill.”

No. We have no evidence yet that he suffered from any kind of mental illness or was seeking any sort of treatment. Immediately claiming that with no proof to back that fact up leads to the further stigmatization of the mentally ill, and contributes to the (incorrect) assumption that mental illness equals violence, and vice versa.

We don’t know whether Elliot Rodger was mentally ill. What we do know is that he was a Men’s Rights Activist, or MRA.

He was an active member of the “PUAhate,” an online forum (which has been down since the shootings) dedicated to “revealing the scams, deception and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to mislead men and profit from them.” And just to clarify, they’re not revealing these scams because of how vile and misogynistic they are, but rather because these men have tried these techniques and still failed to trick women into sleeping with them. These are men who both feel entitled to have sex with women and also blame all women everywhere for not fucking them. See, they want to have sex with a woman because that’s what they deserve just for being dudes, but they also hate women for withholding what they view as rightfully theirs. And I mean, boy do they ever hate women. The PUAhate forum has, according to an article on The Hairpin, threads with titles like “Are ugly women completely useless to society?” and “Have any hot women ever committed suicide?”

Rodger also subscribed to several YouTube channels on how to be a ‘pick up artist,’ including The Player Supreme Show and RSDfreetour as well as multiple MRA channels.

Last night, shortly before going on his killing spree, Rodger posted a video on YouTube to serve as his manifesto. In it, he declares that he’s a 22 year old virgin, and then goes on to say:

‘College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it,’ he says in the video, which runs to almost seven minutes.
>‘I’m going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoilt, stuck-up, blonde slut that I see inside there. All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them,’

‘I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male …’


This is what the Men’s Rights Movement teaches its members. Especially vulnerable, lonely young men who have a hard time relating to women. It teaches them that women, and especially feminist women, are to blame for their unhappiness. It teaches them that women lie, and that women are naturally predisposed to cheat, trick and manipulate. It teaches them that men as a social class are dominant over women and that they are entitled to women’s bodies. It teaches them that women who won’t give them what they want deserve some kind of punishment.

We need to talk about this. The media, especially, needs to address this. We live in a culture that constantly devalues women in a million little different ways, and that culture has evolved to include a vast online community of men who take that devaluation to its natural conclusion: brutal, violent hatred of women. And I don’t mean that all these men have been physically violent towards women, but rather that they use violent, degrading, dehumanizing language when discussing women. Whose bodies, just as a reminder, they feel completely entitled to.

Another reminder: this isn’t an isolated incident. Not by a long shot. No, most men don’t go out in a blaze of glory after shooting up in a sorority house, but there are so many examples of men becoming violent towards women after being rejected. Like the kid last month who stabbed a girl to death because she wouldn’t go to the prom with him. The threat of violence is the main reason why many women feel unable to leave an abusive relationship – because after leaving is when they are at their most vulnerable. When you look the statistics on violence against women, Elliot Rodger’s act doesn’t seem so much like a one-off incident. He was participating, albeit in a grandiose public way, in the time-honoured tradition of controlling women with violence and punishing them when they don’t behave as desired.

We don’t know if Elliot Rodger was mentally ill. We don’t know if he was a “madman.” We do know that he was desperately lonely and unhappy, and that the Men’s Rights Movement convinced him that his loneliness and unhappiness was intentionally caused by women. Because this is what the Men’s Rights Movement does: it spreads misogyny, it spreads violence, and most of all it spreads a sense of entitlement towards women’s bodies. Pretending that this is the a rare act perpetrated by a “crazy” person is disingenuous and also does nothing to address the threat of violence that women face every day. We can’t just write this one off – we need to talk about all of the fucked up parts of our culture, especially the movements that teach men that they have the right to dominate and intimidate and violate women, that lead to this, and we need to change things. Because if we don’t, I guarantee that this will happen again. And again. And again.

‘”Why do men feel threatened by women?” I asked a male friend of mine. So this male friend of mine, who does by the way exist, conveniently entered into the following dialogue. “I mean,” I said, “men are bigger, most of the time, they can run faster, strangle better, and they have on the average a lot more money and power.” “They’re afraid women will laugh at them,” he said. “Undercut their world view.” Then I asked some women students in a quickie poetry seminar I was giving, “Why do women feel threatened by men?” “They’re afraid of being killed,” they said.’


Margaret Atwood, Writing the Male Character (1982)

ETA: A few people have been commenting to tell me that I’m wrong about Elliot not having a mental illness, as his family members have reported to the media that he had Asperger syndrome. Asperger syndrome is not a mental illness – it is a neurological condition, and it does not predispose people to violence. Correlating Asperger’s with violence is wrong and uninformed and you are doing more harm than good by saying that.


Are you asking me for quotes from pre-Elliot Rodger era men's rights activists that illustrate pervasive violent attitudes towards women?
http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/08/06/men ... ge-sodini/
http://wobblydash.tumblr.com/post/86815 ... among-mens
http://www.bluethenation.com/2013/07/07 ... -feminism/
http://jezebel.com/no-i-will-not-take-t ... 1532799085
And why not: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34154
This guy makes a lot of good points: http://corbarr.tumblr.com

This deserves a link too: https://twitter.com/hashtag/YesAllWomen?src=hash
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun May 25, 2014 3:49 pm

When it comes to hate speech and violent rhetoric, communities absolutely do share some responsibility in self-policing. Come on.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Sun May 25, 2014 3:53 pm

slomo » Sun May 25, 2014 11:23 am wrote:Doesn't matter anyway, RI is just a hotbed of terrorism.

I know this because many of the positions espoused here are similar to those espoused by Ted Kaczinksy. In fact, if I posted random excerpts from his manifesto, they would be met with overwhelming approval by most RI participants.

Ergo, RI is a terrorist website.


Wouldn't that then make you the lead terrorist of these here parts? I say this because I refuse to read it at all Kaczinsky's and this kid's. I saw the "famous" video of the kid and know what happened and that is enough.

Why don't you give it a whirl and post some shit from either "manifesto" that you think RI members would fall in line with? I would be interested in taking this challenge.

But I think I know you were being facetious. But, I don't know.

A lot of people have problems with a lot of everything, not everyone murders in grand blazes of glory or even considers them when they have problems.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 4:04 pm

Yeah, well I've read and heard plenty of violent rhetoric coming from the female side of the aisle, directed at men.

"What we do know is that he was a Men’s Rights Activist, or MRA."

Do we? I don't know that we do. I read through his screed. All he cares about his himself. He doesn't care about other men. He talks about killing all the other men on the planet so he can have all the women for himself. Several of his victims were male. He assaulted men as well as women in the run-up to his killing spree. Time and time again he would write about how he hates this boy or that boy for their success with women, or for being "cool." He especially hated them if they had a different skin color than him. Yet all you and these other bloggers seem to care about is the violence and vitriol he directed at women. Why is that? Why do you label him as a misogynist, and not a misanthrope? Don't his male victims count for anything at all in your eyes? If he's an MRA, as you and others say, then where is his advocacy for other men? He only advocated for himself, from what I read. He was entirely self-centered. To the extent other people existed, it was only to gratify his whims.

And then you start talking about the MRA "teaching" men X, Y, or Z about women. Mostly I see a bunch of guys complaining about problems and talking about experiences, and then drawing some conclusions from them. If some guy writes in about how his wife made up domestic violence allegations so she could gain custody of the kids, the court system turned a blind eye to evidence of the contrary, and now he's stuck with passive payments he can barely afford to support an estranged family he never sees, how is this matter of a received ideology and not a matter of a relation of an experience? You're basically conflating the worst excesses of a small fringe of extremely bitter men who have no hope of self-improvement or attaining a desired romantic partner with an entire group of men whose experiences run a vast spectrum. It would be like me characterizing feminism as dangerous because of the worst excesses of people like Lorena Bobbit. I could say, "Oh, I heard she read Betty Friedan's book, better put the feminists on thought police lock-down!"
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun May 25, 2014 4:08 pm

Still do not know what PUA reps. No matter, I won't be visiting any of those sites.

Without knowing much about the fellow, E.R., it seems to me that while materially well provided for, something else clearly was lacking from whatever parenting his parents provided. Perhaps some aspect of his "aspergers" prevented him from bonding with his parents and this was the true reason for his being unable to find a date.

One must wonder, did he ever actually approach a woman to ask her out? Was his rejection actually nothing more than a perceived projection, an imagining of his mind's creation had he never actually asked a woman out on a date?

Any mention of his loving home life in his manifesto? Did he mention his mother's love (for him) at all? Did he mention his mother or his feelings for her at all? Any mention of how he related to and with his father or their love for each other?
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun May 25, 2014 4:29 pm

I wanted to add this earlier but forgot about it until reading jlaw's posting.

I do wonder how many men posting on the MRA site supported E.R.'s complaints and how many others there criticized him for his appearance. I also wonder how many of those posting there are also sociopaths incapable of perceiving the feelings of others.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun May 25, 2014 4:33 pm

Just wanted to add that there is no one MRA site. I see misogynists using MRM-influenced terms spread across twitter, youtube, tons of fora, various subreddits, 4chan, facebook, reactionary tumblrs, etc.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 4:34 pm

@Iamwhoiam "I won't be visiting any of those sites."

Lol, and this is why people are ignorant. You're not even going to take five or ten minutes to investigate the content of the sites in question? You're just going to blindly accept someone else's word for it, eh?

PUAs are mostly guys who are socially awkward trying to figure out how to make themselves more appealing to women. This involves getting over approach anxiety, by forcing themselves to approach women as a drill and engage them. Mostly, women are viewed as not making the first direct move, although, they'll make indirect non-verbal moves, like eye-contact, etc.

Lots of guys have horrible anxiety with regard to interacting with women, yet they're expected to be the initiators, so they use this stuff as a way to manage and eliminate their anxiety, until they can have proper social interactions where ideally, they can gauge which women are interested in them that they are also interested in, and go from there, and at worst, they try to seduce every woman they think they can seduce, with all the consequences that come with engaging in such folly. So PUA is not about mass murder, it's about guys trying to get lovers or girlfriends by making themselves more appealing, or at the very least, learning not how to come across as a creep involuntarily.

This guy was part of PUAhate.com, where guys are disgruntled at having paid for PUA classes but not gotten any fruits from their payments. PUAhate is a very tiny subset of this whole manosphere thing. Some guys would characterize them as hopeless hard cases who are doomed to romantic failure because they can't get out of their mental prisons.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 4:41 pm

@Luther There are misogynists in those subs, but there are misogynists in other subs as well. There are also misandrists in the feminist subs; women who have an implacable hatred for men, who think they are violent, deranged subhuman beasts who are responsible for every ill on the planet. There are women who think that the male gender should be eliminated, and males who think the same of the female gender. Should we shut down all discourse? That's just a fact of life; extremists in every group who have violent, hate-filled tendencies. I once went to a used book-store and found two books written by such extremist; one by a male, one by a female. Each argued that the opposite gender to them was the source of all problems on the Earth. Their arguments and tone were VERY similar, almost identical. It was hilarious and very revealing, as well as sad, to see both these books, side by side, each person thinking that everything wrong with the world was on the other gender.

I'm of the mind that free discourse exists as an early warning signal.

The police visited the guy before he started killing. They sent 7 cops to his house. Why didn't they go further in their investigation? Maybe it's because he was wealthy and white, or maybe it's because he was convincing in assuaging their fears. I think people did the right thing reporting him, but I'm surprised that the authorities didn't go further, when usually they're eager to lock up 5 year olds over a stick figure gun drawing.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun May 25, 2014 4:57 pm

jlaw172364 » Sun May 25, 2014 3:41 pm wrote:@Luther There are misogynists in those subs, but there are misogynists in other subs as well. There are also misandrists in the feminist subs; women who have an implacable hatred for men, who think they are violent, deranged subhuman beasts who are responsible for every ill on the planet. There are women who think that the male gender should be eliminated, and males who think the same of the female gender. Should we shut down all discourse? That's just a fact of life; extremists in every group who have violent, hate-filled tendencies. I once went to a used book-store and found two books written by such extremist; one by a male, one by a female. Each argued that the opposite gender to them was the source of all problems on the Earth. Their arguments and tone were VERY similar, almost identical. It was hilarious and very revealing, as well as sad, to see both these books, side by side, each person thinking that everything wrong with the world was on the other gender.


And yet, I have noticed one oddly consistent thing about mass killings.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Searcher08 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:06 pm

Luther Blissett » Sun May 25, 2014 7:42 pm wrote:I'm not citing /r/mensrights. Men's rights activists are not coming from some totem or monolith. I've seen enough violent rhetoric aimed at women by boys and young men who self-identify as "men's rights activists" so as not to be surprised by any of Rodger's quotes from puahate, his videos, or the bodybuilding forum. Is the dailydot an authority on debunking? The SLPC is still correct in that violent rhetoric is still flung around by men's rights activists.

Has this been posted yet?

Elliot Rodger And Men Who Hate Women

TW for violence against women, misogynistic language, violent language, talk of rape

Last night, a 22 year old man named Elliot Rodger killed six people and injured seven more in what most news outlets are describing as a “shooting rampage.” Rodger died later that night from a gunshot wound to his head, though it’s still unclear as to whether or not it was self-inflicted or from responding deputies shooting back after he opened fire on them.

Almost everything I’ve read about him has referred to him as a “madman” or “mentally ill.”

No. We have no evidence yet that he suffered from any kind of mental illness or was seeking any sort of treatment. Immediately claiming that with no proof to back that fact up leads to the further stigmatization of the mentally ill, and contributes to the (incorrect) assumption that mental illness equals violence, and vice versa.

We don’t know whether Elliot Rodger was mentally ill. What we do know is that he was a Men’s Rights Activist, or MRA.

He was an active member of the “PUAhate,” an online forum (which has been down since the shootings) dedicated to “revealing the scams, deception and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to mislead men and profit from them.” And just to clarify, they’re not revealing these scams because of how vile and misogynistic they are, but rather because these men have tried these techniques and still failed to trick women into sleeping with them. These are men who both feel entitled to have sex with women and also blame all women everywhere for not fucking them. See, they want to have sex with a woman because that’s what they deserve just for being dudes, but they also hate women for withholding what they view as rightfully theirs. And I mean, boy do they ever hate women. The PUAhate forum has, according to an article on The Hairpin, threads with titles like “Are ugly women completely useless to society?” and “Have any hot women ever committed suicide?”

Rodger also subscribed to several YouTube channels on how to be a ‘pick up artist,’ including The Player Supreme Show and RSDfreetour as well as multiple MRA channels.

Last night, shortly before going on his killing spree, Rodger posted a video on YouTube to serve as his manifesto. In it, he declares that he’s a 22 year old virgin, and then goes on to say:

‘College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it,’ he says in the video, which runs to almost seven minutes.
>‘I’m going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoilt, stuck-up, blonde slut that I see inside there. All those girls that I’ve desired so much, they would’ve all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them,’

‘I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male …’


This is what the Men’s Rights Movement teaches its members. Especially vulnerable, lonely young men who have a hard time relating to women. It teaches them that women, and especially feminist women, are to blame for their unhappiness. It teaches them that women lie, and that women are naturally predisposed to cheat, trick and manipulate. It teaches them that men as a social class are dominant over women and that they are entitled to women’s bodies. It teaches them that women who won’t give them what they want deserve some kind of punishment.

We need to talk about this. The media, especially, needs to address this. We live in a culture that constantly devalues women in a million little different ways, and that culture has evolved to include a vast online community of men who take that devaluation to its natural conclusion: brutal, violent hatred of women. And I don’t mean that all these men have been physically violent towards women, but rather that they use violent, degrading, dehumanizing language when discussing women. Whose bodies, just as a reminder, they feel completely entitled to.

Another reminder: this isn’t an isolated incident. Not by a long shot. No, most men don’t go out in a blaze of glory after shooting up in a sorority house, but there are so many examples of men becoming violent towards women after being rejected. Like the kid last month who stabbed a girl to death because she wouldn’t go to the prom with him. The threat of violence is the main reason why many women feel unable to leave an abusive relationship – because after leaving is when they are at their most vulnerable. When you look the statistics on violence against women, Elliot Rodger’s act doesn’t seem so much like a one-off incident. He was participating, albeit in a grandiose public way, in the time-honoured tradition of controlling women with violence and punishing them when they don’t behave as desired.

We don’t know if Elliot Rodger was mentally ill. We don’t know if he was a “madman.” We do know that he was desperately lonely and unhappy, and that the Men’s Rights Movement convinced him that his loneliness and unhappiness was intentionally caused by women. Because this is what the Men’s Rights Movement does: it spreads misogyny, it spreads violence, and most of all it spreads a sense of entitlement towards women’s bodies. Pretending that this is the a rare act perpetrated by a “crazy” person is disingenuous and also does nothing to address the threat of violence that women face every day. We can’t just write this one off – we need to talk about all of the fucked up parts of our culture, especially the movements that teach men that they have the right to dominate and intimidate and violate women, that lead to this, and we need to change things. Because if we don’t, I guarantee that this will happen again. And again. And again.

‘”Why do men feel threatened by women?” I asked a male friend of mine. So this male friend of mine, who does by the way exist, conveniently entered into the following dialogue. “I mean,” I said, “men are bigger, most of the time, they can run faster, strangle better, and they have on the average a lot more money and power.” “They’re afraid women will laugh at them,” he said. “Undercut their world view.” Then I asked some women students in a quickie poetry seminar I was giving, “Why do women feel threatened by men?” “They’re afraid of being killed,” they said.’


Margaret Atwood, Writing the Male Character (1982)

ETA: A few people have been commenting to tell me that I’m wrong about Elliot not having a mental illness, as his family members have reported to the media that he had Asperger syndrome. Asperger syndrome is not a mental illness – it is a neurological condition, and it does not predispose people to violence. Correlating Asperger’s with violence is wrong and uninformed and you are doing more harm than good by saying that.


Are you asking me for quotes from pre-Elliot Rodger era men's rights activists that illustrate pervasive violent attitudes towards women?
http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/08/06/men ... ge-sodini/
http://wobblydash.tumblr.com/post/86815 ... among-mens
http://www.bluethenation.com/2013/07/07 ... -feminism/
http://jezebel.com/no-i-will-not-take-t ... 1532799085
And why not: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=34154
This guy makes a lot of good points: http://corbarr.tumblr.com

This deserves a link too: https://twitter.com/hashtag/YesAllWomen?src=hash


Quoting from... the SPLC??? Seriously WTF?? The organisation whose motto should be "If we don't find hate, we'll invent it" ?

I read the Jezebel article and thought the writer radiated an incredibly sexist patronising and condescending attitude. She deserved to be custard pied.

Can we take serious steps to stop this men’s rights activism thing now? It’s not just a dumb thing on a corner of the internet to poke and laugh at, it killed seven people. Seven women are dead because of this entitlement bullshit. Seven women aren’t alive any more because nobody sat this scumbag down and said, “Nobody owes you attention or sex or anything and people have a right to not want to sleep with you.” -


Dont let accuracy come into play here...
The idea that a mentally ill person will respond to being hectored in this fashion is as dumb as a sack of spanners.
Personally, I do not think the guy makes any good points. In fact, I think the guy is arrogant prick.

This is the worst side of Progressive politics.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:08 pm

The best way as a male attracting a female is to GIVE UP TRYING. No, not yelling, just don't try. In fact, don't let it even enter your mind that your one goal is to have sex. Just be friendly and be yourself. Be gracious and etc. Of course this has gotten me no where, but I sure have a lot of female friends. I think that flirting should be done on a uni-sex basis. I am heterosexual, however I have found it advantageous to basically flirt with everyone and by advantageous I mean not being about me but about the relationship being forged. I understand this kid's angst. He probably would have grown out of it. He apparently was just too impatient. I didn't lose my virginity till I was 21 myself.

Maybe someone should have sent him a copy of Pretty Woman and he totally could have hired a woman and amazed her with his wealth and then fallen in love. Happily ever after.
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