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Re: The Little Führer

Postby American Dream » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:24 pm

He has rich patrons for his fascist organizing activities, as does Richard Spencer.

Since the anti-fascist movement has a definite track record of trying to get these sorts of racists publicly identified and fired from their jobs, we will see what happens to the commitments of less well funded fascist types. My guess is, funding is a key element, and even with the deep pockets of Putin's Russia and some reactionary multi-millionaires in North America, prospects are limited. Oh yeah, and even a few intelligence agencies, as with Zundel in Canada- but that brings its own perils.

Such jobs are notoriously unstable, too.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby jakell » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:30 pm

American Dream » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:24 pm wrote:He has rich patrons for his fascist organizing activities, as does Richard Spencer.

Since the anti-fascist movement has a definite track record of trying to get these sorts of racists publicly identified and fired from their jobs, we will see what happens to the commitments of less well funded fascist types. My guess is, funding is a key element, and even with the deep pockets of Putin's Russia and some reactionary multi-millionaires in North America, prospects are limited. Oh yeah, and even a few intelligence agencies, as with Zundel in Canada- but that brings its own perils.

Such jobs are notoriously unstable, too.


Would that be any job they happen to hold, or just ones that may be incompatible with their ideology?
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby General Patton » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:37 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:55 am wrote:Strange that Heimbach only became more entrenched in his beliefs as a result of the public shaming campaign that cost him his job.

I was under the impression such proven techniques had a high success rate for changing minds.

Maybe he just needs to read some blog posts?


Does anyone here actually care if fatty gets converted into a soy latte loving NPR listening nu-male? I don't.

I bet David Duke could be converted for a 6 figure sum and some more plastic surgery.

I prefer the anitfa scorched earth strategy of blacklists, harassment, assaults, tire slashing, ect...

That's just how fringe politics works. And politics that involve construction contracts.


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Re: The Little Führer

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:48 pm

I'm more interested in the fact so much gets written, on both sides, about what should simply be guerrilla warfare if anything is going to get accomplished.

My interest is very personal; just doing some mental accounting about how many days/weeks of my life have been wasted, in sum total, reading stuff that was never meant to communicate anything. Looking for ideas in all the wrong places.

Definitely learned a lot in the past year, glad I can still say that in my tottering old age.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby jakell » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:09 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:48 pm wrote:I'm more interested in the fact so much gets written, on both sides, about what should simply be guerrilla warfare if anything is going to get accomplished.

My interest is very personal; just doing some mental accounting about how many days/weeks of my life have been wasted, in sum total, reading stuff that was never meant to communicate anything. Looking for ideas in all the wrong places.

Definitely learned a lot in the past year, glad I can still say that in my tottering old age.


My own approach is what Hagbard would have said ie "Everything is true in some sense, false in some sense, and meaningless in some sense"

ie context is as (more?) important as content, often we look too much at the latter.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby tapitsbo » Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:09 pm

Well I can say that both Wombat and AD haven't wasted my time, at least.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby American Dream » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:11 pm

Public exposure and/or firing are just desserts for all the racism and hate he has helped foment:


White nationalists involved in physical altercation with protesters at Trump rally

Bill Morlin
March 02, 2016


Matthew Heimbach, supporters, engage in pushing and shouting match with African American counter-protesters at Super Tuesday Trump rally

White nationalists and racists are not only boldly showing support for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, but at a Super Tuesday rally in Louisville, Kentucky they actually got involved in physical violence with counter-protesters.

At the center of the pushing- and yelling-match was Matthew Heimbach, founder of the Traditionalist Youth Network and its companion white nationalist organization, the Traditionalist Workers Party. He calls himself “chairman of the only true Third Position Party in the United States that is fighting for Faith, family and folk.”

Heimbach, fired a few weeks ago by the State of Indiana as a child protective services case worker, now apparently has time on his hands to devote to supporting political candidates, including Trump.

At Tuesday’s Trump rally, the youthful white nationalist from Indiana and some of his supporters engaged in a free-for-all shoving and shouting match with counter-protesters, some reportedly affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement.

“Honestly, I had planned to merely attend [the Trump rally] as an idle spectator, but the protesters were as hostile as anything I’ve seen at actual [white] nationalist events,” Heimbach said in writing about the incident.

When Trump began speaking, Heimbach said he couldn’t stand by quietly when BLM counter-protesters “started screaming and chanting.”

“The entire point of the BLM’s tactics is to push people until they push back,” Heimbach claimed.

“They’ve actually convinced themselves that these rank-and-file Trump supporters and even Trump himself are synonymous with the Klan, or at least with outright nationalists like myself,” Heimbach said.

“We responded to their chants with chants of our own to attempt to drown them out and did so successfully several times,” Heimbach said. “But they ratcheted up their aggression.”

That’s when he and other pro-Trump supporters got involved in the “heated moment” with counter-protesters captured on videos now making the rounds online.

“One [video clip] features yours truly helping the crowd drive out one of the women who had been pushing, shoving, barking, and screaming at the attendees for the better part of an hour,” Heimbach said.

Not only did Heimbach and his white nationalist friends help push African American protesters out of the rally crowd, they also grabbed some of their anti-Trump signs. They took trophy photos of their “booty” and posted it to the Traditional Youth account: “Behold our booty of anti-#Trump2016 swag from today's #louisville rally...”


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Heimbach now modestly says he’ll avoid any future Trump rallies “to ensure that I don’t become a distraction,” he said.

“It won’t be me next time, but White Americans are getting fed up and they’re learning that they must either push back or be pushed down,” Heimbach said.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:31 pm

American Dream » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:24 am wrote:He has rich patrons for his fascist organizing activities, as does Richard Spencer.


Yes, that would definitely explain why he was working for the State of Indiana until he was fired last month.

I would imagine most of us have day jobs for the same reason: so nobody suspects our rich patrons.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby jakell » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:36 pm

What's with the intense focus on this one guy anyway?

Is he some kingpin or massive ideologue who needs to be taken out?
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby jakell » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:29 am

jakell » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:30 pm wrote:
American Dream » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:24 pm wrote:He has rich patrons for his fascist organizing activities, as does Richard Spencer.

Since the anti-fascist movement has a definite track record of trying to get these sorts of racists publicly identified and fired from their jobs, we will see what happens to the commitments of less well funded fascist types. My guess is, funding is a key element, and even with the deep pockets of Putin's Russia and some reactionary multi-millionaires in North America, prospects are limited. Oh yeah, and even a few intelligence agencies, as with Zundel in Canada- but that brings its own perils.

Such jobs are notoriously unstable, too.


Would that be any job they happen to hold, or just ones that may be incompatible with their ideology?


The reason I ask this seemingly insignificant question is because of antifa attitudes like this:

jakell » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:16 am wrote:From the above article.

...Antifascists must crush AFP now before they are able to grow stronger. There are many ways that AFP can and should be confronted here in Portland. As militant Antifascists, we believe in taking the fight to them, which means not waiting to pounce on them when they have events. While they certainly should be confronted at their events, we believe that this strategy is insufficient for damaging and halting their organizing. Waiting until AFP stages demonstrations affords them control of the timeline and opportunities to prepare for confrontation. We therefore believe that other strategies need to be used in tandem with counter-demonstrations: specifically, that they should be deprived of income and peace of mind at all times until they capitulate.


Folks on the board at the time seemed to regard this as a bit extreme, and so it is. What they might not know is that antifa sites are peppered with this sort of stuff and anyone who sees witch-burning McCarthyite tendiences is not far wrong, it's not just 'extreme' figures though, it can be aimed at relatively ordinary folks like the above. or simply people someone doesn't like.

It goes deeper than this though, the J'accuse method is used on those who fail to say the right things, in a timely fashion and of the correct intensity and using correct phaseology (obviously, these value judgements are arbitrary and can be altered at someone's whim). It's a subtle, but effective move to condemn folks for what they don't say, rather than what they actually say.
This is 'co-conditioning', and is all the more effective because it requires much less input from above and gets people to do it to each other, the triggers being about in-group/out-group fears, which are stronger than people like to admit. Watch out for it.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:50 am

jakell » 06 Mar 2016 20:29 wrote: It goes deeper than this though, the J'accuse method is used on those who fail to say the right things, in a timely fashion and of the correct intensity and using correct phaseology (obviously , these value judgements are arbitrary and can be altered at someone's whim). It's a subtle, but effective move to condemn folks for what they don't say, rather than what they [i]actually[i/] say.
This is 'co-conditioning', and is all the more effective because it requires much less input from above and gets people to do it to each other, the triggers being about in-group/out-group fears, which are stronger than people like to admit. Watch out for it


I hope you're not referring to me on the other thread cos that would make you sad and soft.

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Re: The Little Führer

Postby American Dream » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:57 pm

Why would such a vile racist wanted the kind of job that it would be a travesty for them to have? Could the reason be in part to make a spectacle of himself under the banner of "white victimization"?


STATE OF INDIANA FIRES RENOWNED RACIST HIRED TO WORK AS CHILD ABUSE CASE WORKER

Bill Morlin
February 25, 2016


Matthew Heimbach, widely viewed as an emerging leader in the white nationalist movement, has been fired by the State of Indiana where he was hired as a family case worker by the Department of Child Services.

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His firing came a month ago after “his response to a [training] question suggested violence against a client,” a spokeswoman for the state told Hatewatch on Thursday, confirming Heimbach’s termination.

The state agency says its mission is to protect “children who are victims of abuse or neglect” in addition to overseeing child support, child protection, adoption and foster care. One of the agency’s seven core values, according to its web site, is: “Every person has value, worth and dignity.”

Given that, it’s not clear why or how someone with Heimbach’s widely documented history of racism and bigotry would be hired for such a position with a public agency, supported by taxpayers.

Officials with Indiana’s Department of Child Services referred inquiries about Heimbach’s hiring and firing to the state’s personnel office.

Ashley Emswell Hungate, director of communications for the Indiana State Personnel Department, confirmed to Hatewatch that Heimbach had been fired.

The story, scheduled for broadcast at 11 p.m. on Thursday, was first reported by Kara Kenney with WRTV in Indianapolis. Heimbach told Hatewatch, however, that his firing was political in nature. “They fired me for my politics and tried to justify it after the fact,” Heimbach said. “I had proof for all the trainings that I had taken that I had passed, including a diversity training, up until the day I was fired.”

State of Indiana officials confirmed Heimbach has been fired after working for the state child protection agency for about three weeks.

“Matthew Heimbach was employed with DCS from Jan. 11 to Jan. 28, 2016, as a family case manager trainee,” Hungate said in a brief email response. “His probationary working test was terminated on Jan. 28.

When pressed, the agency spokeswoman said Heimbach “was dismissed for his behavior at work.”

“His behavior in training was disruptive of the workplace, incompatible with public service, and not protected speech. For example, what I’ve been told is that, while in training, his response to a question suggested violence against a client,” Hungate told Hatewatch.

The spokeswoman for the state personnel office did not say if public complaints about his racist activities also were involved in Heimbach’s termination.

Heimbach was hired for a child protective services case worker position that deals with people of various racial and cultural backgrounds.

His hiring, Hungate said, came after he cleared background checks by the Indiana State Police and the state’s sex offender registry. The process also includes driver’s license verification, tax payments with the Department of Revenue, fingerprinting, pre-employment drug screening, past employment and educational verification and a Child Protective Services check.

Heimbach’s racial legacy is just a computer click away, however.

He founded a campus chapter of Youth for Western Civilization at Towson University in Maryland before starting the White Student Union, which later evolved into a new white nationalist organization called the Traditionalist Youth Network.

“No longer will the homosexual, Muslim, and black supremacist groups be allowed to hijack our campus,” Heimbach said in a 2012 Youth for Western Civilization blog post.

Upon graduation in 2013, Heimbach assumed a leadership role in the neo-Confederate League of the South as the hate group’s training director.

In that same year, he said his goal was “creating a new homeland for whites around the entire world.”

“This is our home and our kith and kin,” Heimbach said in 2013. “Borders matter, identity matters, blood matters, libertarians and their capitalism can move to Somalia if they want to live without rules, in the West we must have standards and enforce them. The ‘freedom’ for other races to move freely into white nations is nonexistent. Stay in your own nations, we don’t want you here.”

He also has made homophobic statements. “I do not care if you are a man who ‘loves’ another man, you do not have the right, privilege, or ability to marry him and carry on in a degenerate relationship,” Heimbach said in 2013.

“In any healthy society you would be dragged off to therapy to help you cope with your mental illness, not given glitter and assless chaps to parade down the street. A society helps the mentally ill; it doesn’t parade them around as normal."

He also has made anti-Semitic statements.

“We are not separate peoples fighting alone,” he said in 2014. “We are all comrades in the struggle against International Jewry and the Zionist State.”

He said white nationalists in the United States must stand with and support those in Gaza, Syria and Lebanon “who struggle against the Zionist State and International Jewry.”

“We face the exact same enemy, one who doesn’t care if they kill our women, children, and elderly,” Heimbach said. “We are facing a truly Satanic enemy, one that cannot be understood except through the lens of Christianity and Christian prophecy.”
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby jakell » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:12 pm

American Dream » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:57 pm wrote:Why would such a vile racist wanted the kind of job that it would be a travesty for them to have? Could the reason be in part to make a spectacle of himself under the banner of "white victimization"?


This is why I asked you about the type of jobs.

It's sort of understood that certain jobs will bring your political views under scrutiny (eg, teaching, social work), but I'm wondering if that would be extended to even fairly vanilla jobs (eg refuse collection).

The article I reproduced suggests that harrassment (contacting their employers etc) would occur whatever the context. this wouldn't surprise as there are some pretty fanatical people in antifa.
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Re: The Little Führer

Postby American Dream » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:15 pm

Three Canadian Racists Supporting Donald Trump: Sort of Funny

This past Saturday Republican primaries were held in Kentucky, Maine, Kansas, and Louisiana. Donald Trump managed to win both Kentucky and Louisiana by fairly comfortable margins. It was amusing then when we listened to the talking heads on MSNBC pontificate on whether or not the endorsement by David Duke would hurt Trump in Louisiana, a state where the former Klan leader was once elected to the state legislature and where he was the Republican nominee for governor.

Of course it wouldn't hurt Trump.

David Duke is only the most prominent American racist to come out in favor of Trump. Others include Jared Taylor of American Renaissance and Matthew Heimbach who recently was caught on video assaulting a protester at a Trump rally. But Trump is also getting some love internationally from the far right including xenophobes in the UK, France, the Netherlands, and elsewhere.

Here in Canada, the folks with PEGIDA Canada and posters on the anti-Muslim/refugee/government sites we've started monitoring have come out strongly for Trump. So too have members of our racist movement including Paulie:


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Re: The Little Führer

Postby American Dream » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:14 am

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Politics of Disillusionment and the Rise of Donald Trump’

Kenan Malik

Last autumn, when I was in the USA, I asked a number of senior Republican Party figures about the possibility of Donald Trump winning the presidential nomination. All laughed out loud. It simply won’t happen, they told me. The Republican Party machine would take care of him.

I doubt if they are laughing now. On ‘Super Tuesday’ this week Trump won seven out of eleven states. The likelihood of Trump challenging for the White House seems less of a joke by the week.

‘All of us Smart Guys were blindsided by the rise of Donald Trump’, the historian Garry Wills observed recently. For a long time pundits ‘agreed that it could not happen, so it was not happening’. And now that it has happened, Wills lamented, ‘we have no good explanation of it.’

It is not only Trump who has left the pundits perplexed. Populist movements, from the UK Independence Party to the Front National in France to the Danish Peoples’ Party, are sweeping across Europe too.

Nor does the populist moment merely find expression on the right. Bernie Sanders is unlikely to win the Democratic Party nomination, but he has given Hillary Clinton a tougher fight than anyone expected. In Britain, Jeremy Corbyn astonished most pundits by becoming leader of the Labour Party last year, a success that former Prime Minister Tony Blair finds particularly perplexing. ‘I’m not sure I fully understand politics right now’, he told the Financial Times recently, adding that it might seem ‘an odd thing to say when I’ve spent my life in it’.

But perhaps it is not such an odd thing to say. Perhaps it is because Blair has spent his whole life in politics that he finds the contemporary scene so baffling. The landscape of politics has, over the past two decades, transformed, leaving many politicians and pundits without a map to guide them in the new terrain, and baffled as to the rules that now govern popular political behaviour.

The irony is that politicians like Tony Blair have played a major part in effecting this transformation. For much of the twentieth century, the political landscape was defined by the ideological struggle between left and right. In Europe, this expressed itself primarily through the contest between contest between social democracy and conservatism. In the USA, the ideological distinctions were far more fuzzy; nevertheless the battle between the Democrats and the Republicans expressed the same distinction.

Today, that broad ideological divide has largely dissolved. The political sphere has narrowed; politics has increasingly become more about technocratic management rather than about social change. The gap between voters and the elite has widened, fostering disenchantment with the very idea of politics.

One way in which people have felt this change is as a crisis of political representation, as a growing sense of being denied a voice, and of political institutions as being remote and corrupt. The sense of being politically abandoned has been most acute within sections of the traditional working class. Economic changes, from the decline of manufacturing industries to the imposition of austerity policies, have made life more precarious. The weakening of trade unions have further marginalized working class communities. In the past, the mainstream parties of the left seemed to provide the means to change society for the better and to achieve their hopes and aspirations. Few still feel that.

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The old political landscape left room for the ‘protest vote’. People often showed disenchantment with mainstream parties by voting for fringe parties or candidates as a means of temporarily expressing dissatisfaction with one of the main parties before returning to the fold; it was a way sending a message but not of upsetting the system.

Today the protest vote is no longer about teaching the main parties a lesson. It is about disengagement from the whole political process. Voters are not saying ‘I am voting for another party at this election to make you listen to me’. Increasingly many are saying, ‘You will never listen to me, so there is no point in voting for you at all’. The fringe party has taken centre stage. Hence the success of a figure such as Donald Trump.


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