Is Trump being backed by the US military?

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:20 pm

JackRiddler » 19 Jan 2017 23:34 wrote:.

The idea that there is a white hat/black hat split in the institutions of national security, deep state and MIC, with support for Trump among the white hats (or at any rate anti-neocon/anti-neolib anti-imperialists, whatever) is absurd.


When we come to the point that well-meaning progressives can earnestly champion Trump, perhaps we should have all long realized that it's black hats all the way down.

We inhabit an abyss in which even deep politics is kayfabe. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Our enemy has always been Eastasia. Our enemy has always been Eurasia.

Identity is classless. The 99.9% are the 0.1%. Debt is asset. Free trade is monopoly. Liberal is conservative. Socialism is private ownership. Medicine is sickness. Informed is misinformed. Fake is fact. Fraud is nothing, and nothing is fraud. Democracy is coup. Protest is status quo. Progressivism is Trump.

I cannot even recognize the genre of our current narrative, much less the denouement. George Orwell meets Ayn Rand meets Phillip K Dick meets Anne Rice meets Thomas Malthus meets Tom Clancy meets Eli Roth meets J. R. R. Tolkien meets Julio Cortazer meets Mike Judge meets "Heart of Darkness"? Just pure Jonathan Swift?
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:51 pm

Pentagon confirms weekend drone strikes under Trump

The Pentagon confirmed Monday that it conducted three drone strikes in Yemen against al Qaeda militants over the weekend.

The strikes were the first since President Donald Trump was sworn in to office, but the Pentagon said the strikes did not require authorization from him or Defense Secretary James Mattis.

"Those authorities are delegated," Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said at a briefing.

Davis said one strike was conducted in al Bayda, Yemen each day on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

The strikes were conducted against al Qaeda's Yemen branch, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). Experts have deemed it to be the most dangerous al Qaeda branch.

The strike on Friday killed one al Qaeda operative, while the one on Saturday killed three people and the one on Sunday one person.

"AQAP remains a significant threat to the region and the United States. Al Qaeda's presence has a destabilizing effect on Yemen and it's using the unrest in Yemen to provide a haven from which to plan future attacks against the U.S. and its interests," Davis said.

"We will continue to degrade, disrupt and destroy al Qaeda and its remnants and we remain committed to defeating AQAP and denying it safe havens regardless of its locations. These strikes conducted by the U.S. continue to diminish AQAP's presence in the region even while there's a separate civil war going on in Yemen," he added.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:54 pm

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017 ... long-view/

Taking the Long View
Dismantling the empire won’t happen overnight

The other day on Twitter someone tweeted me the news of the latest drone strike in Yemen, with the taunting message: “Congrats, @JustinRaimondo.” I had to laugh, and bemoan my fate: “I am now to be held responsible for everything the Trump administration does, especially their failure to go full pacifist!” Of course, you don’t have to be a pacifist to oppose our drone campaign, in Yemen or elsewhere, as I do, but the comment and my response underscore a basic flaw in the thinking of Trump’s anti-interventionist critics.

I have been writing this column for over twenty years, commenting on current events as they impact the US on the international stage. I’ve watched as this country fought a series of unnecessary and debilitating wars, exhausting its resources and sacrificing the lives of its young people in bloody crusades from Belgrade to Baghdad. I’ve navigated the tides of public opinion, as support for this suicidal policy waxed and waned, according to the caprices of the moment and the push and pull of external events. And if I can draw a single important lesson from all this experience, it is this: the albatross of empire won’t be easily lifted from our necks.

There are too many interest groups with both a financial and psychological stake in maintaining the status quo. The worldwide string of bases, alliances, protectorates, and US-protected corporate enclaves that make up the architecture of empire are so vast, and so profitable (for the war profiteers), that the task of dismantling it is the work of generations.

There was a window of opportunity that opened after the collapse of international communism and the end of the cold war that might have cut that timeline short. The events of September 11, 2001, put an end to that bright hope. Just as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor ended the hope of the biggest antiwar movement in our history – the America First Committee – that we might stay out of the European war, so 9/11 put on hold the idea that America could finally put down the sword and “come home” after the decades-long cold war.

In short, the lesson of the past twenty-plus years is that we must take the long view. As a corollary to that, anti-interventionists must understand that ours is a battle of ideas. The enemy is the concept that America must maintain a hegemonic position on every continent, that we are entrusted with upholding and defending the “international liberal order,” and that we alone are capable of carrying out that supposedly sacred task. It is a conceit that arose in the wake of World War II and it has guided US foreign policy since that time. Both parties have historically agreed that “politics stops at the water’s edge,” and, since 1952 – when the America First “isolationist” wing of the GOP led by Sen. Robert A. Taft was finally defeated — bipartisan support for our policy of global intervention has been de rigueur for all major presidential candidates.

That is, until now.

Although we are still in the grip of what I call the 9/11 Effect, the aftershocks of that seminal event have largely worn off. A war-weary public, and a visible decline in our economic condition, has turned the public inward and greatly decreased the War Party’s influence. The key to maintaining that influence was always in maintaining the political isolation of the anti-interventionist forces, which were largely confined to the far left wing of American politics. As long as the neoconservatives dominated the GOP, and “centrists” maintained control of the Democratic party, the postwar foreign policy consensus reigned supreme for the simple reason that the American people were never given a choice. As Garet Garrett, the Cassandra of the Old Right, put it in 1952:

“Between government in the republican meaning, that is, Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity. Either one will forbid the other, or one will destroy the other. That we know. Yet never has the choice been put to a vote of the people.”

More than half a century after those words were written, it has been put to a vote in the 2016 election, and the winner is someone who is challenging – in a fundamental way – the very basis of the longstanding internationalist consensus. I’ve detailed the various ways in which Trump has issued his challenge in this space, at length, and so I won’t repeat myself here. Suffice to say that his revival of the “America First” tradition is, in and of itself, a mortal threat to the War Party, and they recognize the danger he poses to them. That’s why every faction with an interest in maintaining the Empire – the neocons, the liberal internationalists, the national security bureaucracy, the CIA, the cold war Democrats – have pulled out all the stops in their unrelenting assault on the Trump administration. They know who their enemies are.

That Trump is inconsistent, and an imperfect vessel, hardly needs to be said. That the danger of war still looms over us is also a fact that none can deny. Yet all this is irrelevant in the face of the conceptual victory his winning the White House represents. Here is a candidate who campaigned against GOP foreign policy orthodoxy, explicitly rejecting the legacy of the Iraq war and even going so far as to call out the Bush administration for lying us into that war. Even if he had been defeated in the general election, Trump’s triumph in the Republican primary signaled the end of neoconservatism as a viable political force, at least inside the GOP. What this means is that the War Party’s monopoly on the foreign policy positions of both parties is ended: Garrett’s lament is now outdated, because the voters do have a choice. They can choose between republic and Empire.

Yes, the Trump administration will take many actions that contradict the promise of their victory: that is already occurring. And we are covering that in these pages, without regard for partisan considerations: and yet it is necessary to step back and see the larger picture, looking past the journalistic details of the day-to-day news cycle. In short, it is necessary to take the long view and try to see what the ideological victory that was won this past November augurs for the future.

If we look past Trump and his administration and scout out what the road ahead looks like, the view is encouraging: the obstacles that loomed large in the past – the neoconservative hegemony in the GOP, the war hysteria that dominated the country post-9/11, the public’s largely unquestioning acceptance of what the “mainstream” media reported – have been swept away. What’s more, a global rebellion against regnant elites is threatening the status quo. All the elements that make for the restoration of our old republic are in place, including a growing mass movement in this country that rejects the old internationalist dogma.

Ideas rule the world: not politicians, not parties, not range-of-the-moment fluctuations in public opinion. This isn’t about Trump, the politician, or the journalistic trivia of the moment: we are engaged in a battle of ideas – and, slowly but surely, we are winning.

No matter what one thinks of Trump, or his appointees, the election of 2016 is without doubt the biggest victory opponents of empire have enjoyed since the country turned its back on the interventionism of Woodrow Wilson and enjoyed a “return to normalcy” in 1920. The victor that year was Warren Harding, who declared: “America’s present need is not heroics but healing; not nostrums but normalcy; not revolution but restoration.” After the posturing Teddy Roosevelt’s aggressive imperialism and the more studied “idealism” of Woodrow Wilson, America was ready to return to the foreign policy of the Founders.

This time, after years of constant warfare, and the stunning realization that our empire has brought us nothing but financial and moral ruin, Americans are again seeking a return to normalcy – or, as Trump would put it, they want to “make America great again.” Having gone down the road that Rome once trod, Americans stand at the abyss of inexorable decline – and they want to turn back.

Yet the road back is by no means an easy one. External events – unpredictable by their very nature – may intervene once again. After all, the history of mankind is the record of chance, human caprice, and endless folly. Yet I am optimistic at this recent turn of events: barring some unforeseen catastrophe, the future is brighter than it has been for quite some time. The chances are good that we may yet become a normal country again, as opposed to a bloated empire beset by external enemies and internal rot. Perhaps not in my lifetime – I’m 65! – but, if all goes well, at least I’ll have seen the beginning of the end of the War Party’s bloody reign.

Since I take the long view, that’s good enough for me.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:49 am

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Raimondo's riding his narrative, but what explains why anyone would believe this? Perhaps you're trying to live up to the most famous statement by the man in your avatar, AOC? This delusional thinking merely ignores everyone who's been appointed to the relevant posts -- NEOCONS, hello! Plus Prince and Ledeen on the sidelines. And the repeated programmatic statements from your wrestling heel playing a chief executive about TAKING THEIR OIL. Not to mention his admittedly minor preoccupation with holding military parades. And the promises, among those which will be kept, on military spending increases.

Anyway, here's a historical correction. Sure, sure, it's all about "American interests."

1920–1929[edit]
1920: China: On March 14, a landing force was sent ashore for a few hours to protect lives during a disturbance at Kiukiang.[RL30172]
1920 – Guatemala: From April 9 to 27, U.S. forces protected the American Legation and other American interests, such as the cable station, during a period of fighting between Unionists and the Government of Guatemala.[RL30172]
1920–1922: Russia (Siberia): From February 16, 1920 to November 19, 1922, a Marine guard was sent to protect the United States radio station and property on Russian Island, Bay of Vladivostok.[RL30172]
1921: Panama and Costa Rica: American naval squadrons demonstrated in April on both sides of the Isthmus to prevent war between the two countries over a boundary dispute.[RL30172]
1922: Turkey: In September and October, a landing force was sent ashore with consent of both Greek and Turkish authorities, to protect American lives and property when the Turkish nationalists entered İzmir (Smyrna).[RL30172]
1922–1923: China: From April 1922 to November 1923, Marines were landed five times to protect Americans during periods of unrest.[RL30172]
1924: Honduras: From February 28 to March 31, and from September 10 to 15, U.S. forces protected American lives and interests during election hostilities.[RL30172]
1924: China: In September, Marines were landed to protect Americans and other foreigners in Shanghai during Chinese factional hostilities.[RL30172]
1925: China: From January 15 to August 29, fighting of Chinese factions accompanied by riots and demonstrations in Shanghai brought the landing of American forces to protect lives and property in the International Settlement.[RL30172]
1925: Honduras: From April 19 to 21, U.S. forces protected foreigners at La Ceiba during a political upheaval.[RL30172]
1925: Panama: From October 12 to 23, strikes and rent riots led to the landing of about 600 American troops to keep order and protect American interests.[RL30172]

[Insert here]
1912–1925: Nicaragua: From August to November 1912, U.S. forces protected American interests during an attempted revolution. A small force, serving as a legation guard and seeking to promote peace and stability, remained until August 5, 1925.[RL30172]

1926–1933: Nicaragua: From May 7 to June 5, 1926 and August 27, 1926 to January 3, 1933, the coup d'état of General Chamorro aroused revolutionary activities leading to the landing of American marines to protect the interests of the United States. United States forces came and went intermittently until January 3, 1933.[RL30172]

1926: China: In August and September, the Nationalist attack on Hankow brought the landing of American naval forces to protect American citizens. A small guard was maintained at the consulate general even after September 16, when the rest of the forces were withdrawn. Likewise, when Nationalist forces captured Kiukiang, naval forces were landed for the protection of foreigners November 4 to 6.[RL30172]
1927: China: In February, fighting at Shanghai caused presence American naval forces and marines to be increased. In March, a naval guard was stationed at American consulate at Nanking after Nationalist forces captured the city. American and British destroyers later used shell fire to protect Americans and other foreigners. Subsequently additional forces of Marines and naval forces were stationed in the vicinity of Shanghai and Tientsin.[RL30172]

1930–1939[edit]
1932: China: American forces were landed to protect American interests during the Japanese occupation of Shanghai.[RL30172]
1932: United States: "Bonus Army" of 17,000 WWI veterans plus 20,000 family cleared from Washington and then Anacostia flats "Hooverville" by 3rd Cavalry and 12th Infantry Regiments under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, July 28.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... .80.931929

Wait, some more with a start prior to 1921:

1912–1941: China: The disorders which began with the overthrow of the dynasty during Kuomintang rebellion in 1912, which were redirected by the invasion of China by Japan, led to demonstrations and landing parties for the protection of U.S. interests in China continuously and at many points from 1912 on to 1941. The guard at Peking and along the route to the sea was maintained until 1941. In 1927, the United States had 5,670 troops ashore in China and 44 naval vessels in its waters. In 1933 the United States had 3,027 armed men ashore. The protective action was generally based on treaties with China concluded from 1858 to 1901.[RL30172]

1915–1934: Haiti: From July 28, 1915 to August 15, 1934, United States occupation of Haiti. US forces maintained order during a period of chronic political instability.[RL30172] During the initial entrance into Haiti, the specific order from the Secretary of the Navy to the invasion commander, Admiral William Deville Bundy, was to "protect American and foreign" interests.[citation needed]

1916–1924: Dominican Republic: From May 1916 to September 1924, Occupation of the Dominican Republic. American naval forces maintained order during a period of chronic and threatened insurrection.[RL30172]
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby SonicG » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:04 am

Yeah, Raimundo takes the long view: "Meh, in 20 years this will all shake out great and the US will be left with a coast guard and local militias..."
I just don't see how anyone can look at what Turmp's moves have been this week and see anything but the worst Heritage Foundation, Tea Party, Evangelical and Libertarian (minus reinstating torture and promises of massive trade tariffs...) wet dreams...

This is just sad:
This time, after years of constant warfare, and the stunning realization that our empire has brought us nothing but financial and moral ruin, Americans are again seeking a return to normalcy – or, as Trump would put it, they want to “make America great again.” Having gone down the road that Rome once trod, Americans stand at the abyss of inexorable decline – and they want to turn back.

Nope. Wrong. Empire is still right on course and ready to ramp-up plundering. Turn back to when? How? The global economy is completely embedded and dumping the TPP is going to be nearly meaningless, especially once China really starts reaping the benefits...
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:28 pm

The great orange hope's bandwagon rivals that of hope and change.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Note the last U.S. military action in the halcyon Republican days of 1921-33, when Raimondo's spirit of peace and isolation prevailed:

1932: United States: "Bonus Army" of 17,000 WWI veterans plus 20,000 family cleared from Washington and then Anacostia flats "Hooverville" by 3rd Cavalry and 12th Infantry Regiments under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, July 28.


Coming soon to Chicago and the Sanctuary Cities?

Yeah, maybe this regime will be too busy starting wars at home to focus on which ones to start abroad. But no. They've got the resources to at least start both processes.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:37 pm

JackRiddler » 26 Jan 2017 20:51 wrote:Note the last U.S. military action in the halcyon Republican days of 1921-33, when Raimondo's spirit of peace and isolation prevailed:

1932: United States: "Bonus Army" of 17,000 WWI veterans plus 20,000 family cleared from Washington and then Anacostia flats "Hooverville" by 3rd Cavalry and 12th Infantry Regiments under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, July 28.


Since the Mexican-American War (1846-48) at least, the USA has been on a continual Quest for Empire in any and every place USA military might could conceivably reach. Most historians would go all the way back to the Monroe Doctrine (1823). Yes, there have always been isolationist sympathizers and isolationism has of course always been very popular among the 99.9%. But our 0.1% gangsters have been hellbent on using their Marine muscle anywhere it seemed likely to prevail for well over 150 years.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:06 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:37 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » 26 Jan 2017 20:51 wrote:Note the last U.S. military action in the halcyon Republican days of 1921-33, when Raimondo's spirit of peace and isolation prevailed:

1932: United States: "Bonus Army" of 17,000 WWI veterans plus 20,000 family cleared from Washington and then Anacostia flats "Hooverville" by 3rd Cavalry and 12th Infantry Regiments under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, July 28.


Since the Mexican-American War (1846-48) at least, the USA has been on a continual Quest for Empire in any and every place USA military might could conceivably reach. Most historians would go all the way back to the Monroe Doctrine (1823). Yes, there have always been isolationist sympathizers and isolationism has of course always been very popular among the 99.9%. But our 0.1% gangsters have been hellbent on using their Marine muscle anywhere it seemed likely to prevail for well over 150 years.


I think it's been from the beginning, the British colonial project became a far more powerful American colonial project, the U.S. always had an empire (even in the strictest sense of territories of other nations held outside the republic constituted through chartered states) and always had an expansionary vision. And it's been a lot, A LOT more popular than you are giving credit for. For nationalism, for perceived and real economic interest, out of fear, out of emotions of euphoria, out of active popular participation. Majorities not required to drive empire, but have often been there. In the early history expansion was very much driven by settlers, often organizing their own wars (hello Andrew Jackson, later the most important president other than Lincoln, Roosevelt and Nixon). The government enabled in advance in some cases (with the territorial accessions and things like the Northwest Ordinance) but also followed behind, endorsing established facts (see Texas). In the post-reconstruction history it's often been driven by business with a variety of economic and emotional interests that could constitute large segments of popular support, again with the government often following behind.

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby freemason9 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:16 pm

The military had no hand in this election. Donald Trump is a media creation, and the media caused his election--not because they supported him, but because he is a ratings magnet. American media is a disgrace and has been for nearly four decades.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Morty » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:20 pm

One thing that can explain all the Russia hysteria today is that, in its absence, America might have had time to reflect upon the fact that Clinton, the DNC, and their friends in the media courted a Trump candidacy, and lost to Trump. The debate today might be about whether Trump could possibly have become the GOP candidate without the help of the cunning Democrat plan (as per Wikileaks) to install an "easy-to-beat" GOP candidate.
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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:35 pm

yea it's not every day a Russian (a senior officer of the F.S.B.,) get arrested for treason ...highest profile treason charges filed since the break up of the Soviet Union.....threw a bag over his head and now he sits in a military jail. I think that is damn interesting

and he is only 1 of 3 Russians that was arrested in the past couple months

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Morty » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:55 pm

I think it's more interesting that Hillary punked herself and most of America remains unaware if it.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:58 pm

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Re: Is Trump being backed by the US military?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:14 pm

JackRiddler » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:06 pm wrote:
stickdog99 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:37 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » 26 Jan 2017 20:51 wrote:Note the last U.S. military action in the halcyon Republican days of 1921-33, when Raimondo's spirit of peace and isolation prevailed:

1932: United States: "Bonus Army" of 17,000 WWI veterans plus 20,000 family cleared from Washington and then Anacostia flats "Hooverville" by 3rd Cavalry and 12th Infantry Regiments under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, July 28.


Since the Mexican-American War (1846-48) at least, the USA has been on a continual Quest for Empire in any and every place USA military might could conceivably reach. Most historians would go all the way back to the Monroe Doctrine (1823). Yes, there have always been isolationist sympathizers and isolationism has of course always been very popular among the 99.9%. But our 0.1% gangsters have been hellbent on using their Marine muscle anywhere it seemed likely to prevail for well over 150 years.


I think it's been from the beginning, the British colonial project became a far more powerful American colonial project, the U.S. always had an empire (even in the strictest sense of territories of other nations held outside the republic constituted through chartered states) and always had an expansionary vision. And it's been a lot, A LOT more popular than you are giving credit for. For nationalism, for perceived and real economic interest, out of fear, out of emotions of euphoria, out of active popular participation. Majorities not required to drive empire, but have often been there. In the early history expansion was very much driven by settlers, often organizing their own wars (hello Andrew Jackson, later the most important president other than Lincoln, Roosevelt and Nixon). The government enabled in advance in some cases (with the territorial accessions and things like the Northwest Ordinance) but also followed behind, endorsing established facts (see Texas). In the post-reconstruction history it's often been driven by business with a variety of economic and emotional interests that could constitute large segments of popular support, again with the government often following behind.

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You wrote from the beginning, Jack, did you mean the beginning of US history or history itself? If the latter, I agree.

Oddly enough, this collection of videos relates some of the reasons for European expansionist efforts, specifically, that they had exhausted their fisheries and forests, the population was exploding and markets were nearly saturated. Look to the cost of a single tulip bulb in Holland in the early decades of the 17th century, a completely new market for an ancient commodity. More treasures to be had for the taking from foreign lands. Same ol' practices and we now see the impacts everywhere, with everybody and every body of water in the world tainted by man-made chemicals.

The link below the video has all episodes. I suggest using it to view the videos. We are the same people today, exploitative bullies determined to maintain our course to utter destruction, the same fate we inflict upon any who slow our way.

America Before Columbus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBJHg_DzFM&list=PLlPDwrDbvzcCMoV1qeP4CbaC2xMzrzBgv
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