'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

[Belligerent Savant]

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@justin_hart
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Sadly, Greta is a pawn in her mom’s crusade. Also - hypocrites. Picture of them at home.

“That armchair in the picture behind them is the Eames Lounge Chair, icon of modern design. Made with animal skin, it costs more than € 8.000...
The one they sit on? More than 9.400 euro”

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/ ... 15968?s=20

[Iamwhomiam]

Lawyer Steven Donziger, Who Sued Chevron over “Amazon Chernobyl,” Ordered to Prison After House Arrest

The environmental and human rights lawyer Steven Donziger joins us just before he is ordered to report to jail today, after a years-long legal battle with the oil company Chevron and 813 days of house arrest. In 2011, Donziger won an $18 billion settlement against Chevron on behalf of 30,000 Indigenous people in Ecuador for dumping 16 billion gallons of oil into their ancestral land in the Amazon. Since the landmark case, Donziger has faced a series of legal attacks from Chevron and a New York federal judge, who has employed a private law firm linked to the oil company to prosecute him. Earlier this month, he was sentenced to six months in prison for contempt of court, and his request for bail pending his appeal was denied. Amnesty International and United Nations human rights advocates, along with several U.S. lawmakers, are calling for Donziger’s immediate release. “Chevron and these two judges, really allies of the fossil fuel industry, are trying to use me as a weapon to intimidate activists and lawyers who do this work,” says Donziger. “I need to be prosecuted by a neutral prosecutor, not by Chevron.”

Video and transcript: https://www.democracynow.org/2021/10/27/steven_donziger_judicial_harassment_from_chevron

Earlier background articles, videos and transcripts:

Chevron Lobbies White House to Pressure Ecuador to Stop $12 Billion Amazon Pollution Lawsuit
AUGUST 05, 2008
https://tinyurl.com/w272z4b7

Indigenous Groups Win Right to Seize Chevron’s Canadian Assets over $18 Billion in Amazon Pollution
DECEMBER 20, 2013
https://tinyurl.com/535396cw

[Iamwhomiam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6veeTrdEyek

[DrEvil]

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@justin_hart
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Sadly, Greta is a pawn in her mom’s crusade. Also - hypocrites. Picture of them at home.

“That armchair in the picture behind them is the Eames Lounge Chair, icon of modern design. Made with animal skin, it costs more than € 8.000...
The one they sit on? More than 9.400 euro”

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/ ... 15968?s=20

This has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've seen here in a long time. Her parents own a chair that's been in production since the 1950s, so Thunberg is a hypocrite? Did your parents ever get a vaccine? If yes, everything you have to say on the corona-vaccines is bullshit.

[Iamwhomiam]

Indeed it is, DrEvil. Not even an original thought from the Belligerent Idiot, just a re-post from some ignorant asshole's twitter feed.

[Belligerent Savant]

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DrEvil - Greta is a brand. Part of a deceptive marketing campaign. If you -- or anyone -- still see it as anything beyond that there's nothing further to type that will alter your mindset. Believe what you wish, and good luck with it.

Your strained attempt to equate my inclusion of the above tweet with unrelated content I shared on Covid speak volumes to your reasoning skills (or lack thereof). I'd say it's revealing but you've revealed this M.O. some time ago.

Let's just say my take on Greta is 100% wrong. How does my personal take (on anything) impact the science, ethics, and overall soundness of Covid policies implemented by govts/bureaucracies? It doesn't, at all. It's an utterly useless, non-substantive talking point.

Iam's response isn't worthy of a remark, other than: it's an expected reply from him. Petty. Lacking in value. Ad hominem.



Pearls before swine.

[Iamwhomiam]

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DrEvil - Greta is a brand. Part of a deceptive marketing campaign. If you -- or anyone -- still see it as anything beyond that there's nothing further to type that will alter your mindset. Believe what you wish, and good luck with it.

Your strained attempt to equate my inclusion of the above tweet with unrelated content I shared on Covid speak volumes to your reasoning skills (or lack thereof). I'd say it's revealing but you've revealed this M.O. some time ago.

Let's just say my take on Greta is 100% wrong. How does my personal take (on anything) impact the science, ethics, and overall soundness of Covid policies implemented by govts/bureaucracies? It doesn't, at all. It's an utterly useless, non-substantive talking point.

Iam's response isn't worthy of a remark, other than it's an expected reply. Petty. Lacking in value. Ad hominem.

Pearls before swine.

Here's my quote, the "reply bs"refers to:

Indeed it is, DrEvil. Not even an original thought from the Belligerent Idiot, just a re-post from some ignorant asshole's twitter feed.

Now, here's my reply to bs:

1~"Iam's response isn't worthy of a remark, other than it's an expected reply."

2~"Petty."

3~"Lacking in value."

4~"Ad Hominem."

5~"Pearls before swine."

"...isn't worthy of a remark," and yet you offer forth five! If you haven't yet noticed, your posting the guy's twitter feed here is not only petty, but lacking in any value other than as an ad hominem attack on an 18 years old woman.

[DrEvil]

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DrEvil - Greta is a brand. Part of a deceptive marketing campaign. If you -- or anyone -- still see it as anything beyond that there's nothing further to type that will alter your mindset. Believe what you wish, and good luck with it.

You keep saying this, and you keep supplying zero evidence to support it. What is it about Thunberg that rubs you so wrong? How is she deceptive? Who's behind the marketing campaign? What's the goal?

Your strained attempt to equate my inclusion of the above tweet with unrelated content I shared on Covid speak volumes to your reasoning skills (or lack thereof). I'd say it's revealing but you've revealed this M.O. some time ago.

Let's just say my take on Greta is 100% wrong. How does my personal take (on anything) impact the science, ethics, and overall soundness of Covid policies implemented by govts/bureaucracies? It doesn't, at all. It's an utterly useless, non-substantive talking point.

No shit Sherlock. Her parents owning a chair of any kind has fuck all to do with her environmental activism, the same way your parent's vaccination status has fuck all to do with your attitude towards the corona vaccines. That was sorta the point.

Iam's response isn't worthy of a remark, other than: it's an expected reply from him. Petty. Lacking in value. Ad hominem.



Pearls before swine.

Lacking in value? Like that tweet? Also, not an ad hominem. That would require you to present an argument first. All you did was link to a tweet that is an ad hominem.

What exactly is it we're failing to appreciate? We certainly managed to appreciate how incredibly fucking dumb that tweet was. You apparently didn't.

How do you think we should (if at all) handle climate change?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Do your part. You can help with almost the same level of effort as wearing a mask. And most importantly, you'll feel good about your virtuous intent.

[Iamwhomiam]

You are really just a naysying asshole who understands little about the costs or profits to be made while transitioning to a more sustainable society.

Please keep stoking the fires of futility, We all could benefit from a brief respite from your endless fear mongering.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Fear-mongering. Do you even know what you type anymore?

You, triple (or is it quadruple) mRNA-injected out of ... what is it? A certain fear, perhaps? This fear, however valid in part, and particularly more so in your specific case, but a fear nonetheless, stoked heavily by govt 'representatives' and bureaucrats, causing irreparable harms to millions, ESPECIALLY the young and healthy who certainly have no reason to be afraid.

THAT is fear-mongering.

Me calling out deceit and hypocrisy is not fear-mongering.

They are preying on the virtue-signalers and the easily misled, for profit.

Not in all cases, of course. Some pursuits are genuine. And even some that are primarily for profit have their benefit as well.

But why is it fear-mongering to call this out?

It's not, of course. You're just frustrated, which is understandable when legit concerns are co-opted.

These profit-seekers are far more cynical than you apparently can admit to yourself.

[Iamwhomiam]

Oh, I didn't claim you were fear mongering in this thread. That you've piled up in the corona thread. Here you're just naysaying. All efforts to dissuade one from participating in changing our polluting practices - every self-proclaimed environmentalist is a fraud and a tool.

You must be mad to imagine bankers and brokers should change their stripes because - climate change.

So, what's new in eco-fascism? Any notable acts of terror lately? All I've heard over the past year has been of communities terrorized by exploding chemical factories and their burst pipelines spewing toxic chemicals, but I don't think those are the types of eco-terrorists you want written about in this thread. You probably would rather see posted here stories about the rash and illegal actions of eco-terrorists like the PETA volunteer Wayne Hsiung, who was found guilty of committing felony theft after he rescued a sick baby goat from a farm raising goats to sell their meat. It was shortly thereafter returned to the farm.

[DrEvil]

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How do you think we should (if at all) handle climate change?

Get a credit card.

https://www.aspiration.com/

You can change Climate Change

There's a good chance your bank is using your money to fund oil projects that destroy the climate. Put your money where your values are. Join Aspiration today!

Leave your bank, save the planet

At Aspiration, your savings and debit card purchases will never be used to fund the oil or coal industries. Plus, you’ll enjoy the following benefits:

Reforest while you shop

55,000+ Fee-free ATM network

Get paid 2 days early

Neutralize your car’s carbon

Save up to $300 per year in fees
...

OUR CONSCIENCE
Make Money and Make a Difference

Aspiration helps our customers spend, save, and invest with a conscience so you can make money while making the world a better place. And, unlike the Big Banks, we don’t use your deposits to fund oil pipelines or turn your fees into campaign contributions to the politicians that work against you.**

Caring about Climate Change is big business.

https://downloads.ctfassets.net/ejg6grz ... -29-21.pdf







Do your part. You can help with almost the same level of effort as wearing a mask. And most importantly, you'll feel good about your virtuous intent.

Buy more shit to save the environment! It's the American way!

You still haven't said what you think we should be doing. All you've said is how bad and deceptive everything is. Do you have any suggestions for actual solutions? No need for details, but broad strokes: what should we be doing?

[Belligerent Savant]

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The move toward digital IDs and central-bank digital currencies is part of a broader economic shift. Corporations are already subject to ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance) ratings, so their behavior can be shaped to suit the priorities of financial institutions in the name of “diversity,” “sustainability,” and other abstract values. Not only can ESG scores be used to dissuade investors from decentralized cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, credit agencies have also started using ESG scores to alter credit ratings for corporations. The ruling class is thus using ESG to promote a specific agenda that can manufacture sweeping societal changes. This is effectively what “stakeholder capitalism” means: Businesses aren’t being reoriented to serve the interests of communities, customers, or workers, but to serve the ideology of elite stakeholders on whom companies are dependent to maintain their stock value.

Stakeholder capitalism is supposedly being advanced with combating climate change as a main motivation. Yet the plans of entities like the WEF involve ever-growing reliance on digital services and data storage. The data centers necessary for such plans already have carbon footprints equivalent to that of the aviation industry, and their energy usage is only expected to expand. This makes climate change more of an excuse to assert control, rather than a plausible motivation behind ESG ratings. The reason executives like BlackRock CEO Larry Fink push stakeholder capitalism is because it allows the financial industry to supersede shareholders’ immediate interests in favor of an ulterior long-term plan.

So what is this long-term plan? If a digital ID and central-bank digital currencies are used in tandem with ESG principles, banks and governments will have the ability to fully blacklist noncompliant citizens. Profitability is no longer the only goal—the goal is also to change the way economic transactions occur in the first place, so that they become closer to a form of bondage than to monetary exchange. Instead of sums of money, a bank account would come to represent tokens that could be turned on and off based on good or bad behavior. The vaccine passport and the crackdown against Covid dissent served as a test run for this model. But the inability of unvaccinated people to access a gym or a bar will pale in comparison to the types of punishments that can be meted out through such a system, not just for members of a political opposition, but for their families or anyone who dares to help them.

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The public still has the will and the ability to organize resistance through protests, labor actions, and civil disobedience. Such resistance is essential for anyone who doesn’t wish to live in a dehumanizing and nightmarish dystopia.

[Grizzly]

When green energy rollouts aren’t planned well. I feel bad for these people in Spain.